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Mon Feb 17, 2014, 04:21 PM Feb 2014

Mammograms - DO IT! [View all]

Another report, yet, about the futility of mammograms.

If you are a woman, or have women that you care about in your life, don't listen to these reports.

"They" say that mammograms are as good as detecting something suspicious by touch. Yes, tell this to a woman whose cancer was just below her nipple. No one could feel it. Not the nurse, not the doctor, not the surgeon. And once she underwent the lumpectomy, she found out that it was a triple positive cancer. Receptors to estrogen and progesterone, but also elevation amount of a a nasty growth factor called HER2 that has been associated with a more frequent recurrence.

Tell this to a a woman whose cancer was located deep in her tissue, close to her rib cage. She forgot to schedule her annual mammogram once. But the reports tell us to schedule one every two years... When she was diagnosed, the cancer had already spread to some of her lymph nodes under her arm.

What most riles me, are three arguments that accompany such "reports."

The first, that really, only older women - older than 50 - should even get mammograms. Younger women do get breast cancer and in many cases - some may correct me here - it is often more aggressive with younger women - mid 30s.

Second, in many cases, the cancer that was found and removed would not have killed the woman. How do they know?

To the best of my knowledge - again, correct me if you know better - there are no specific markers, enzymes, metabolites, or other molecules that determine whether a cancer is a killer one or not. Either way, one has to find it, first, and remove it. They may be talking about DCIS but I am not aware of any further treatment - radiation or chemo - of DCIS cancer.

Last - the concern about "false positive:" A woman has to go through biopsy only to find out that that suspicious image was not cancer, after all. All the while being worried sick. Hey! This kind of patronizing attitude belonged - maybe - in the 1950s. Women are big girls. They can handle it. They should be allowed to make their own decisions.

OK, done with the rant. Just do it.

Oh, and if the woman has an Eastern European Jewish ancestry, consider being tested for the BRCA genes. The complete test is expensive - about $3,500 - paid by the insurance if family members were affected. But there is a cheaper test - about $600 - aimed to detect only three mutations that are most common among men and women with Eastern European Jewish ancestry.

Now I am done.

Phew!

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Mammograms - DO IT! [View all] question everything Feb 2014 OP
No thanks... ohheckyeah Feb 2014 #1
OK. I've heard objections to ultraound and thermography but still, question everything Feb 2014 #6
I've done a lot of research but I don't claim to be an expert. ohheckyeah Feb 2014 #14
I'm intimately familiar with similar harms from mammograms zazen Feb 2014 #29
As somebody who was detected before 49 and whose tumor was caught very early on by mammogram and MRI Mass Feb 2014 #2
This is great! Glad that so far so good question everything Feb 2014 #8
I should be getting one soon shenmue Feb 2014 #3
The study was a long term (25 year) study of 90,000 people. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #4
What if that "anecdotal data" includes you or a woman you love? question everything Feb 2014 #5
How would you suggest evaluating medical procedures? Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #7
By real observation. Probably a dream question everything Feb 2014 #9
I have no idea what "real observation" is that is not contained within Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #12
What if the woman who gets breast cancer ohheckyeah Feb 2014 #16
If you or a woman you love had a tiny cancer removed that was slow growing pnwmom Feb 2014 #32
There are questions about the design of this study. LisaL Feb 2014 #11
Good. Somebody should design and conduct an even better study. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #13
No, but a good study will see whether better equipment makes a difference. Mass Feb 2014 #17
What is dishonest about it? It is a fact that the equipment that was in use at the time kcr Feb 2014 #36
Any long term study will have this quality. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #39
It depends on the study and what data is being used kcr Feb 2014 #40
I don't think any medical people are suggesting that mammograms be given up. pnwmom Feb 2014 #33
23andme tested me for $99 Sienna86 Feb 2014 #10
That's great! question everything Feb 2014 #22
And for those who choose to get a mammogram... Contrary1 Feb 2014 #15
Great advice! question everything Feb 2014 #23
My mother died last week of breast cancer Beaverhausen Feb 2014 #18
I am so sorry for your loss question everything Feb 2014 #24
Rec'd highly and babylonsister Feb 2014 #19
Looks like you beat it! This is great! question everything Feb 2014 #25
DCIS here! I agree with you! phylny Feb 2014 #20
Good luck! question everything Feb 2014 #27
I had my first mammogram ever recently RainDog Feb 2014 #21
Not to worry you but most women who get it have no family history... Phentex Feb 2014 #26
I've heard a similar story about a young woman question everything Feb 2014 #28
I'm getting my annual PasadenaTrudy Feb 2014 #30
If you're under 50 and without family history, many doctors no longer recommend it. pnwmom Feb 2014 #31
Mammograms aren't perfect but Cairycat Feb 2014 #34
Thank you for a first person story question everything Feb 2014 #37
OK! I had to cancel last Fridays appt. due to snow.. Walk away Feb 2014 #35
Good luck. And try to follow the advice of Contrary1, above #15 question everything Feb 2014 #38
Thank you for posting this Ruby the Liberal Feb 2014 #41
Glad it was caught on time question everything Feb 2014 #42
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