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In reply to the discussion: Obama is determined to push the TPP through despite opposition [View all]pampango
(24,692 posts)121. I certainly agree with the advisability of adopting a German-like union system.
By avoiding discussion of the consequences that trade deals with developing nations have on U.S. workers, not to mention our trade balance, defenders of free trade are indulging in the worst kind of imperviousness to facts.
Who's avoiding a discussion. I'm saying take it out of the hides of the 1%, not the bottom 75% of the world.
Were the United States to adopt this form of stakeholder capitalism, then its trade accords wouldnt necessarily come at the expense of its workers.
I agree wholeheartedly. Why don't we work towards that - which would entail much stronger unions - rather than working against trade deals which progressive countries embrace?
The US' "disease" is weak unions and regressive taxes. Our middle class is not going to prosper no matter what trade deals we have or don't have, if we do not deal with the disease. We had no trade deals in the 1920's (and sky high tariffs to boot) and our middle class took it in the shorts during that republican decade, because we had weak unions and regressive taxes. Strong unions and progressive taxation were FDR's "cures" (and still work in modern Germany which prospers on trade), not a hyper-focus on trade which the US does relatively little of compared to other countries, anyway.
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Remember when Obama was overheard saying he'd have more "flexibility" in his second term?
Marr
Feb 2014
#3
“And understand this: If American workers are being denied their right to organize...
Orsino
Feb 2014
#125
what does that have to do with President Obama pushing this horrible "trade" deal?
cali
Feb 2014
#10
Exactly. Propaganda must stand prepared to rewrite history on a dime.
woo me with science
Feb 2014
#61
with the help of two democratic presidents the oligarchy can return america to the 1800`s.
madrchsod
Feb 2014
#12
Whatever percentage pays attention and doesn't have a direct benefit in the outcome
Armstead
Feb 2014
#83
We actually got a "NAFTA with Canada" only in 1987. NAFTA just added Mexico to the mix.
pampango
Feb 2014
#113
Okay I know this is Canada, but it is an example of how these things can be abused
Armstead
Feb 2014
#123
Is he still determined to get his Social Security cuts too? We'll find out soon.
Broward
Feb 2014
#26
lol. the story uses the word "push". and it's hardly a secret that he's made this a top priority
cali
Feb 2014
#37
I stand by the fact that "Determined" was most assuredly NOT in the title...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#73
nonsense. that's just crap. Under the Constitution, Congress is delegated the authority
cali
Feb 2014
#40
And you just love the lower living standards that piece of legislative shit caused
eridani
Feb 2014
#47
Are these the same voices that tell you what news stories are important...?
LanternWaste
Feb 2014
#107
There are no voices that does that. The cable news networks commonly pick some local
RB TexLa
Feb 2014
#115
Yes, that's exactly what he wants. He hates working people making a living wage
Elwood P Dowd
Feb 2014
#48
"You can't stop the future." That's a nonsensical statement. No one wants to try
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#51
I support passage of the TPP. Economic isolationism and nationalism are mental
RB TexLa
Feb 2014
#52
What you oppose is democracy and what you support is corporate dominance.
TheKentuckian
Feb 2014
#53
If a community, state, or the country vote for a policy that then can be subverted
TheKentuckian
Feb 2014
#127
Do you recognize that global capitalism will eventually enslave the lower classes?
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#55
So now you have been reduced to this old backup talking point when all else fails
Elwood P Dowd
Feb 2014
#59
Who the f---k is talking sbout "isolationism"? You're buying into Binary Bullshit
Armstead
Feb 2014
#67
I always favor interconnecting the world. That has never been something the Democratic party has
RB TexLa
Feb 2014
#92
Agreed. Republicans are much more determined to build walls not bridges between people.
pampango
Feb 2014
#96
People here that support TPP don't care about that. They see the words "Free Trade"
Elwood P Dowd
Feb 2014
#116
"I’ll walk on that picket line with you as president of the United States.” Obama 2007
Tierra_y_Libertad
Feb 2014
#70
Mostly agree. The global lower and middle classes have benefited greatly in the last 25 years, but
pampango
Feb 2014
#114
There is no 'invisible hand' in international trade or in the domestic economy.
pampango
Feb 2014
#118
I certainly agree with the advisability of adopting a German-like union system.
pampango
Feb 2014
#121