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Adrahil

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13. Why not?

Tue Feb 18, 2014, 10:48 AM

Feb 2014

Why SHOULDN'T I treat someone differently because of their religion?

I being a bit facetious, but with a nugget. People like Ken Ham, who preach that the earth is 6000 years old do not deserve my respect. He's lying for Jesus.

And I admit that when I see a woman in a hijab, I admit that I consider this a sign of submission to patriarchal religious tradition. I pretty much think of them the way I think of the evangelical women who wear the skirts to the ground, the high-necked long sleeved blouses and hair bonnet. Oh yeah, and they walk behind their husbands. Fuck that. I don't respect it, and I won't pretend that I do.

They have the right to do it. They have a right to demand tolerance. They do NOT have the right to insist on upon my respect.

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Muslim Woman Discovers Friendly New World When a Winter Scarf Covers Her Hijab [View all] JI7 Feb 2014 OP

This is an interesting story. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #1

One the one hand... CSStrowbridge Feb 2014 #2

tribes anasv Feb 2014 #4

Why not? Adrahil Feb 2014 #13

Wow. M0rpheus Feb 2014 #15

Uhm, did you read the part in her blog where she got the reverse treatment from fellow Muslims riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #16

I read the entire thing and my point to the previous poster still stands. M0rpheus Feb 2014 #17

I will agree that she is due common decency... Adrahil Feb 2014 #25

But due to her choice of religion, you'd pass up the possibility that she's worth your respect? nt M0rpheus Feb 2014 #27

yes dlwickham Feb 2014 #31

Knowing nothing past what they choose to wear and by extension their religion? M0rpheus Feb 2014 #48

religion and politics are probably the single most defining characterists of a person dlwickham Feb 2014 #53

Religion, as a poster mentioned somewhere in this thread, is more often something you grow up with. M0rpheus Feb 2014 #60

religion is a choice dlwickham Feb 2014 #78

I wouldn't go that far, but... Adrahil Feb 2014 #37

I must be living the wrong life. M0rpheus Feb 2014 #47

I do have friends that I respect Adrahil Feb 2014 #49

don't you usually respect people unless they give you reason not to ? it's not possible JI7 Feb 2014 #33

Perhaps you consider the term differently than I do. Adrahil Feb 2014 #39

Nobody automatically gets respect from me. That's weird. I'm courteous and open riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #65

No one said that instant respect was expected, much less demanded. Did you see me say that? M0rpheus Feb 2014 #67

You say it right in post #15 that instant respect should be expected because she's a human being riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #70

Being worthy of respect and expecting/demanding "instant respect" are 2 different things. M0rpheus Feb 2014 #72

i would be interested to know if the muslims knew she was muslim when she was covered JI7 Feb 2014 #29

I'm sorry, I don't agree. Adrahil Feb 2014 #23

Have you ever had a conversation with a Muslim woman about their faith? M0rpheus Feb 2014 #38

Yes I have. Adrahil Feb 2014 #40

People don't necessarily "decide" to be Muslim Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #45

Just to be clear... Adrahil Feb 2014 #46

No, I understand that. Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #55

Concur NT Adrahil Feb 2014 #57

I believe that is called being brainwashed snooper2 Feb 2014 #79

And we all are , to one degree or another. Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #80

No... MellowDem Feb 2014 #82

Well, we probably have differing opinions as to the meaning of "indoctrinate" Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #84

Indoctrinate means telling someone an opinion is truth... MellowDem Feb 2014 #85

I never got the impression that you actively disliked them. Just to be clear. M0rpheus Feb 2014 #50

"Them" hummmm pangaia Feb 2014 #51

What pronoun do you suggest? NT Adrahil Feb 2014 #52

Malala Yousafzai wears a hijab and fully covered clothing JI7 Feb 2014 #22

You make a good point. Adrahil Feb 2014 #24

there is more pressure in her culture to stay in the background regardless of what she wears and not JI7 Feb 2014 #26

If I may say so.. pangaia Feb 2014 #54

I appreciate the feedback... Thanks! NT Adrahil Feb 2014 #56

That's an interesting point. /nt Marr Feb 2014 #63

Wow...the comments are really something... yuiyoshida Feb 2014 #3

I think they copied the idea from DU. CJCRANE Feb 2014 #7

Oh well that makes sense... yuiyoshida Feb 2014 #9

Affixing "tard" to descriptive words and names as an insult isn't something DU invented kcr Feb 2014 #19

That's the way I remember it..and Urban Dictionary seems to back me up on the timeline. CJCRANE Feb 2014 #21

I didn't argue the timing kcr Feb 2014 #71

It seems more likely that a DUer invented it CJCRANE Feb 2014 #76

They're derived from JoeyT Feb 2014 #75

The odd thing is, there's no "rule" that says one must wear the ostentatious scarf folded in such a MADem Feb 2014 #5

Someone who know of what they speak. pangaia Feb 2014 #58

I'm just happy that I'm not bound by religious beliefs madokie Feb 2014 #6

I have the same reaction. Happyhippychick Feb 2014 #8

What gets me is the reaction madokie Feb 2014 #10

I'm Jewish and very cultural Happyhippychick Feb 2014 #11

I'm NOT Jewish, but who doesn't love latkes!!!!! NT Adrahil Feb 2014 #12

^^^^^ that! Happyhippychick Feb 2014 #14

Matso ball soup.. eeeiiiii. pangaia Feb 2014 #59

EVERYTHING needs to have a creator, silly! It's a rule. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #44

we've still got a long way to go in this country big_dog Feb 2014 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author 4_TN_TITANS Feb 2014 #20

Thank God she's not wearing a bikini Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #28

why would she wear a bikini in freezing temps ? JI7 Feb 2014 #30

People shouldn't have negative reactions to her for wearing her hajib, absolutely. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #32

there are some guys on here who act like they have never seen a women in bikini JI7 Feb 2014 #34

And there are some other people here Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #35

Chicago, liberal. excuse me? I must be having a flashback or something. n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #36

i'm saying compared to the entire country as a whole JI7 Feb 2014 #41

It's very Democratic, but it ain't near liberal. Remember the warm welcome Dr. King got there? Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #42

but that's my point, in much of the country it would be even worse JI7 Feb 2014 #43

�I think the people from Mississippi ought to come to Chicago to learn how to hate.� QC Feb 2014 #61

An hijab is a symbol of misogyny and oppression... MellowDem Feb 2014 #62

Would it surprise you that Muslim feminists (yes they exist) disagree? M0rpheus Feb 2014 #64

No, it doesn't surprise me at all... MellowDem Feb 2014 #68

According to that logic Christian women aren't feminists either... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #73

They aren't either... MellowDem Feb 2014 #81

It has been my experience that women who wearthese head coverings are Sivafae Feb 2014 #66

could be people do not want to insult someone demigoddess Feb 2014 #69

I dunno. I don't treat anyone differently coz of any head covering... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #74

Muslim laws and hijabs seveneyes Feb 2014 #77

Plus, considering that hair covering is not required of muslim women... Quantess Feb 2014 #83