Another Death Penalty Poll - if you could be sure of guilt or innocence would you support the DP?

[Major Nikon]

22. "I'm sure it doesn't make sense to many who are of the opposite opinion. "

Reason does not require consent.

No, it need not. But it can.

Any punishment imposed by society should be ethically justifiable or else there is no system of justice based on reason. Simply stating it can doesn't justify anything.

Actually, some of us do live in one of those societies. I live in Texas.

No you don't. The death penalty is more costly than the alternative of life without the possibility of parole. This is a fact which proves that you live in a society that has the means to fund the alternative, as if more proof were needed.

It is not always about lacking the means to permanently segregate someone, it can be about whose means are being used.

Although your comment here is grammatically correct, I can derive no meaning from it.

If you will look back at my posts, you will see that I never proposed a remedy. That was Mr. Logical that did that. I merely stated that there were ways to reduce cost. I never said what they were (and don't care to.)

This is correct, but I'm not sure how it helps your argument. You certainly implied that you believe a remedy exists to make the appeals process less costly, so you either refuse to state what that is or you simply don't know yet still believe. Regardless our system of justice is imperfect and will never be perfect. As such the more the death penalty is used, the greater the chances innocent people will be put to death and the evidence this has already happened is overwhelming. So somehow we are to believe there is some mysterious way this flawed process can be made cheaper which virtually insures even more flaws, and even if the reverse were somehow true the very best you can say about it is we'd be putting lipstick on a pig.