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3catwoman3

(29,198 posts)
10. I am relatively successful...
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 11:26 AM
Feb 2014

...calming vaccine-reluctant parents who have bought into the "too-many-too-soon-overwhelm-the immune-system" BS when I explain the following:

1. newborns are exposed to thousands of antigens in the everyday world the moment they are born, and generally handle this just fine

2. the total number of all the antigens contained all the immunizations given in the first 6 months is less than the antigens that used to be in a single smallpox vaccine.

3. 100-150 years ago, 16% of children dies before they were 5 because of devastating illness we can now protect against.

It was quite interesting, during the first "swine" flu outbreak, everyone wanted the flu shot, they didn't care if it had a preservative in it, and they were upset when we ran out. The perceived risk was great enough that people didn't obsess over fears not supported by research.

We have one family in our practice whose mom was not vaccine averse (educated as a nurse practitioner but never employed as such), but terribly afraid that either the wrong thing would be given, or a vaccine would not be prepared properly. She insisted that the immunizations be reconstituted and drawn up in front of her. Unusual, but we accommodated her request. She was very worried about pretty much everything. Imagine my surprise when, in the middle of the SARS epidemic in China, the family decided to go there so the kids could study Mandarin. WTF!

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There are situations, allergy to eggs, or other bad reactions, where someone should not be lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #1
Ironically, such exceptions are exactly why everyone else should be RedCappedBandit Feb 2014 #2
No, it makes perfect sense. It would protect that small group lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #4
Exceptions? Philly Cowboy Feb 2014 #6
The first reaction is usually a milder one, and if a reaction occurred with eggs, or a previous lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #20
The number of those is vanishingly small compared to the majority of the population Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #12
Pediatricians here have the rule talked about in the OP gollygee Feb 2014 #14
Of course that is the worst flawed logic. Most people won't have those allergies, and if they get lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #22
Those are few VA_Jill Feb 2014 #40
Yes, he does. Aristus Feb 2014 #50
I agree with this approach 110%. The anti-vaxxers are nuts riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #3
Good...that's our pediatrician, too. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #5
Good Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #7
What about all the adult idiots that travel to other countries where there is active disease meadowlark5 Feb 2014 #8
If they come back with an active disease, they can be quarantined. lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #23
Most aren't because it takes 2 weeks for measles to turn into a rash meadowlark5 Feb 2014 #26
Thanks for the heads up on that - all my kids got their vaccinations, hedgehog Feb 2014 #37
And maybe someone older than me can chime in meadowlark5 Feb 2014 #9
I am relatively successful... 3catwoman3 Feb 2014 #10
This /\/\/\/\/\ DeadLetterOffice Feb 2014 #47
Yep. I remember listening to NPR a year or so ago Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #11
I'm glad that pediatrician is taking a stand. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #13
Good. The parents don't need to deal with such a pompous ass. Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #15
It would be a waste of time. MicaelS Feb 2014 #17
Assuming it's a waste of time is what that clinician is doing. Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #19
How much time is the clinician supposed to allocate to these people? MicaelS Feb 2014 #24
I wish I could recommend this as an OP nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #27
Thanks nadin. MicaelS Feb 2014 #29
You welcome nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #30
SOME time, rather than no time. Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #51
Trying to explain facts to immunization adverse adults Stonepounder Feb 2014 #31
Kinda like Bill Nye... 3catwoman3 Feb 2014 #62
he's a doctor, not a school teacher. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #25
And good for the doctor nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #28
A minor quibble: riqster Feb 2014 #33
I was making a reference to Carl Sagan nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #35
No worries. Thanks! riqster Feb 2014 #36
Yeah, doctors are science gods who always have the right answer. Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #54
I did not say they are science gods nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #56
No, but doctors don't get to use the "because I say so" if they expect to get through to some one. Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #57
They can go cry to the County Board of Health nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #58
The "pompous ass" has many years of medical training. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #34
And that training provided the knowledge that vaccination is an important preventative measure Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #52
When dealing with idiot parents, yes. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #59
This pediatrician IS educating the parents. Jim Lane Feb 2014 #45
Excellent, we need many more Doctors like this. MicaelS Feb 2014 #16
I would invite any anti vax people to come here to India Recursion Feb 2014 #18
I would want them to stay there, then. eggplant Feb 2014 #42
If I have more kids, I would want their pediatrician to have this policy. nt stevenleser Feb 2014 #21
Maybe the nation should reserve land specifically for the unvaccinated. alp227 Feb 2014 #32
what about animal vaccinations? cows? pigs? etc. nt DeadEyeDyck Feb 2014 #38
Good... SidDithers Feb 2014 #39
+1 HuckleB Feb 2014 #55
Our pediatrician group has had this policy for a few years now AngryAmish Feb 2014 #41
Thanks! The whole article is worth reading. GoCubsGo Feb 2014 #43
The cognitive dissonance is painful. eggplant Feb 2014 #44
One of the worst problems the measles presents is libodem Feb 2014 #46
I got measles from an unvaccinated person. Mariana Feb 2014 #53
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #60
Mother Jones -- How Many People Aren’t Vaccinating Their Kids in Your State? HuckleB Feb 2014 #48
... X_Digger Feb 2014 #49
Think of this doctors waiting room! IggleDoer Feb 2014 #61
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