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Tommy_Carcetti

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45. Clearly that's your take on it.

Tue Feb 18, 2014, 06:27 PM

Feb 2014

The fact of the matter, though, is that Jeantel was the closest witness on the initial engagement between the two.

No one eyewitnessed the initial engagement.

By "the other eyewitness testimony" that you mention, I'm assuming you mean John Good. Good witnessed a brief couple of seconds in the middle of the physical encounter between the two where he thought that it was Trayvon on top.

However, other witnesses (Jayne Surdyka, Selma Mora) testified that they saw Zimmerman on top. And its possible that in the physical struggle that there may have been a switching of positions, so I'm not going to discount any of those accounts as not being credible.

In the end, it all goes back to logic. Why would Trayvon double back after trying so hard to lose Zimmerman? No one has ever sufficiently answered that question for me. It runs contrary to all human logic.

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George Zimmerman: God Is The 'Only Judge That I Have To Answer To' [View all] Miles Archer Feb 2014 OP

Unfortunately for him those pesky LeftofObama Feb 2014 #1

Well, George, I don't think I'd take much comfort in that. Arkansas Granny Feb 2014 #2

Can someone tell me the name of the movie in which people like George were hunted down by secret kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #71

Rouge cops sounds a little camp....are you sure that's what you meant?.. pkdu Feb 2014 #82

Star Chamber louis-t Feb 2014 #101

and who appointed Zimmerman to judge Trayvon. . . B Calm Feb 2014 #3

+1 Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #40

+1 geardaddy Feb 2014 #47

+infinity sakabatou Feb 2014 #62

Apparently Trayvon Martin did cpwm17 Feb 2014 #63

Because he was black and wearing a hoodie and that B Calm Feb 2014 #65

Yes, GZ did follow TM in his truck for a while cpwm17 Feb 2014 #67

Actually Trayvon was fearing for his life and stood his ground against B Calm Feb 2014 #68

No, TM had plenty of time to go home cpwm17 Feb 2014 #69

No, GZ was told by the police to stop following TM. He ignored the police and continued B Calm Feb 2014 #70

The 9-11 operator isn't the police cpwm17 Feb 2014 #74

9-11 operators work for the police. In many rural areas the 9-11 operators are police! if GZ B Calm Feb 2014 #77

As I wrote above cpwm17 Feb 2014 #86

As I have stated, all GZ had to do was stop judging, stalking and BACKED OFF. Instead B Calm Feb 2014 #87

Why was Zimmerman at the top of the dogwalk two minutes after hanging up with dispatch? Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #96

The 'T' intersection on the dog walk were the assault happened was not far from his truck cpwm17 Feb 2014 #116

Trayvon's cellphone was also on the ground. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #117

When being brutally attacked by stranger cpwm17 Feb 2014 #122

The evidence can be done via logical inference. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #124

Because he was still hunting pokerfan Feb 2014 #125

Wrong phil89 Feb 2014 #76

I don't know if you noticed, Aristus Feb 2014 #72

+1 B Calm Feb 2014 #73

So this is the evidence-free, kangaroo court website? cpwm17 Feb 2014 #75

George Zimmerman killed the only person who could refute his Aristus Feb 2014 #81

There's no evidence whatsoever that Trayvon initiated any assault on Zimmerman. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #91

Doesn't he know that DU is full of psychics Vattel Feb 2014 #4

What does that suppose to mean? B Calm Feb 2014 #6

Now you did it.... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #7

There was an ear-witness, but..... Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #8

Maybe her credibility was damaged by saying "You want that too?" when asked if Zimmerman Vattel Feb 2014 #13

Her testimony was consistent with the facts. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #22

I don't think you know what I am referring to. Vattel Feb 2014 #28

I knew what you were talking about. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #31

well, I guess we will just have to disagree about that. Vattel Feb 2014 #34

Trayvon: "Why are you following me?" Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #35

Well, again, her testimony lacks all credibility. Vattel Feb 2014 #44

Clearly that's your take on it. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #45

I appreciate your position, but partly because I think Jaentel's testimony lacks all credibility, Vattel Feb 2014 #48

It's bizarre for anyone who's been running in fear to decide to do a complete 180... Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #49

You are just wrong. Vattel Feb 2014 #51

Reposted: Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #90

There are lots of possible scenarios as to how they met up again. Vattel Feb 2014 #112

Again, there was nothing inherently uncredible about Jeantel's testimony. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #118

Jaentel credible? In the state attorney interview, he had to remind her not to lie. Vattel Feb 2014 #128

Yes, we have innocent until proven guilty cpwm17 Feb 2014 #130

You really are reading way too much into that one particular line. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #131

There is too much to respond to here to make it worth my time, Vattel Feb 2014 #132

Regarding "creepy ass cracker" Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #133

Your problem is that you view the actions that occurred that night Lurks Often Feb 2014 #53

I was a 17 year old male once. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #92

We're not going to agree Lurks Often Feb 2014 #93

And you're automatically assuming a 17 year old would act recklessly.... Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #94

I'm not automatically assuming a 17 year old would act recklessly, Lurks Often Feb 2014 #98

The only *logical* possiblity to support the Trayvon ambush story... Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #99

You keep making assumptions and passing them off as logical probabilities Lurks Often Feb 2014 #108

One or more times does not equal 10-30 times, which is what Zimmerman claimed. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #109

Still making assumptions and you still fail to understand the law. Lurks Often Feb 2014 #110

Here's your problem in defending Zimmerman Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #111

And still you miss the point and you also failed to answer my question Lurks Often Feb 2014 #113

Well, to answer your question... Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #119

Nonsense, I am perfectly willing to criticize a "good guy with a gun." Lurks Often Feb 2014 #127

so the victim is the perp routine again heaven05 Feb 2014 #106

some people on here want their hero heaven05 Feb 2014 #104

Yes, when the original claims by the pro-conviction side collapsed cpwm17 Feb 2014 #10

I agree. Vattel Feb 2014 #11

Yes, GZ is no choir boy and it's entirely possible that Zimmerman did murder Martin cpwm17 Feb 2014 #18

Let me ask you a question. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #21

You are missing a very big piece. clffrdjk Feb 2014 #88

I don't think you're familar with the layout of the Twin Lakes complex. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #89

Apparently it's full of assholes as well. nt TheMathieu Feb 2014 #12

You are a case-in-point there. Vattel Feb 2014 #14

Not to worry... TheMathieu Feb 2014 #15

That is a stereotypical response cpwm17 Feb 2014 #20

you are truly blind to the facts heaven05 Feb 2014 #105

defending the zimpig heaven05 Feb 2014 #107

The evidence strongly indicates that it was TM that attacked GZ cpwm17 Feb 2014 #115

typical response of the willfully blind heaven05 Feb 2014 #120

"Pummeled" yet his injuries were described as "insignficant." nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #121

Anyone that claims it was no big deal cpwm17 Feb 2014 #123

He already beat up his GF, socked his FIL in the face, and tore up two different women's apts. bravenak Feb 2014 #56

DU is full of pyschics and Florida is full of psychos notadmblnd Feb 2014 #17

lol, fair enough Vattel Feb 2014 #32

you are correct - amazing how many here know exactly what happened that evening DrDan Feb 2014 #24

you do know that includes you - right? Skittles Feb 2014 #57

sorry but I don't claim to know what happened Vattel Feb 2014 #58

LOLOL Skittles Feb 2014 #60

typical stupid response Vattel Feb 2014 #61

I am NOT NAIVE Skittles Feb 2014 #64

We know a great deal about what happened. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #114

Just keep going the way you have been George and it may be sooner than you think. hobbit709 Feb 2014 #5

Seeing as how he got away with murder, I understand why he thinks that is true. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #9

Tip for you, GZ durablend Feb 2014 #16

HIS god does! FiveGoodMen Feb 2014 #52

Duzy treestar Feb 2014 #55

Why is the media giving this attention whore what he wants? chrisa Feb 2014 #19

It's not even that -- It's just the kiddie-glove softball bullshit questions Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #41

God's gonna send you straight into Lucifer's welcoming arms, Zimmy boy. Arkana Feb 2014 #23

what a pompous arrogant lowdown snake rbrnmw Feb 2014 #25

'So I'd leave it up to him' Rex Feb 2014 #26

Courtesy of n2doc: jsr Feb 2014 #27

Nope. The furies exist. "The Eumenides" was not written on a dare Recursion Feb 2014 #29

Furies? phil89 Feb 2014 #78

Oddly enough, that's the whole point of the play Recursion Feb 2014 #79

Well, I don't pipi_k Feb 2014 #30

Well, GZ might as well try to bullshit God .. DemoTex Feb 2014 #33

And George when you stand before God and he has taken the form of Trayvon Martin...What will you say diabeticman Feb 2014 #36

I wouldn't be taking a lot of comfort in that... 3catwoman3 Feb 2014 #37

Hope you like it hot georgie. jwirr Feb 2014 #38

I do not think Zimmerman has the same concept of "God" as the rest of us Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #39

hey right wingers isnt Zimmy desecrating your god? alp227 Feb 2014 #42

The best way to respond to zimmerman is to ignore him Gothmog Feb 2014 #43

That's right Georgie. And that means you're fucked. cliffordu Feb 2014 #46

easy for a non-believer to say WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #50

people have been claiming God is on their side forever treestar Feb 2014 #54

Well, if God is Real, you are Fucked! fascisthunter Feb 2014 #59

Murdering piece of shit alarimer Feb 2014 #66

Travon Martin was standing his ground then was murdered. Lint Head Feb 2014 #80

enjoy hell - God Nanjing to Seoul Feb 2014 #83

Then you surely know this phrase attributed to your God: rustydog Feb 2014 #84

Fine. Someone run him over with a deuce-and-a-half jmowreader Feb 2014 #85

Sorry George - that's not truth malaise Feb 2014 #95

Someday soon Responsible Gun Owner, Gun Zealot and Gun Owning Poster Child Zimmerman wocaonimabi Feb 2014 #97

GZ: "Satan is the only judge that I have to answer to." Jamaal510 Feb 2014 #100

I don't think Satan wants anything to do with GZ either. Shoulders of Giants Feb 2014 #102

And answer you will Tippy Feb 2014 #103

Burden of Proof in Self Defense / SYG Vox Moi Feb 2014 #126

At the rate he's going, I suspect he'll be proven wrong. (nt) Heidi Feb 2014 #129