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In reply to the discussion: DEA Manuals Show Feds Use NSA Spy Data, Train Cops to Construct False Chains of Evidence [View all]reACTIONary
(6,945 posts)169. As citizens who value our freedom and our liberal democracy...
... and the liberal democracies of our allies, we all have an interest in preserving the secrets of our spy agencies. National security is an essential component of a people's freedom and security in the world, and espionage is a necessary component of our national security. Without it, we wouldn't live in a liberal democracy.
As far as "mounting an effective defense" goes, consider the quote from the defense lawyer I posted above:
I mean, how many times can the DEA, usually via local cops, fortuitously stop a mule who just happened to have ten kilos of cocaine in a clavo (secret compartment) in his car?
If you've been pulled over for a traffic violation and "just happened" to have ten kilos in a secret compartment, how does knowing that the cop was tipped off by an informant help you to mount an "effective defense"? At best, it would help you to raise procedural objections that have nothing to do with the substantive question of whether or not you are guilty of the crime. At worse, it would allow your gang to off the snitch that ratted you out. In neither case do I see justice being served.
And thanks for commenting on the substance of my post, rather than my username!
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DEA Manuals Show Feds Use NSA Spy Data, Train Cops to Construct False Chains of Evidence [View all]
Are_grits_groceries
Feb 2014
OP
Remember when there was mocking for suggesting that the spying even existed?
woo me with science
Feb 2014
#1
I've put both of them on my ignore list, and threads have immediately become more constructive. [n/t
Maedhros
Feb 2014
#62
Yes. But now that it has been exposed, the way not to deal with it is to use the 'look over there'
sabrina 1
Feb 2014
#39
We have always had spies...who was deluded into thinking this is something new?
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#57
Yes, that's what the article in the OP is alleging: that an insider has provided that evidence
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2014
#72
Which is exactly what would make falsifying chains of evidence so egregious.
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2014
#74
but you don't just believe every thing you hear just because it fits your narrative
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#82
Do you have anything of substance or just a smiley provided to you by the founders of this forum?
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2014
#92
+1 This should be the beginning of relentless investigation of these crimes,
woo me with science
Feb 2014
#15
In your opinion is constructing false evidence trails an ethical government practice? n/t
Fumesucker
Feb 2014
#19
And there it is. Endorsement of secret government fabrication of evidence trails.
woo me with science
Feb 2014
#31
What you are saying that it doesnt matter how you get evidence. Search warrants are not required
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#32
Well, Carl Bernstein says it okay so for randome, that means its okay!111!!!1 nt
riderinthestorm
Feb 2014
#34
The biggest change I would like is to do away with the House of Representatives.
randome
Feb 2014
#108
No one is creating false evidence. At least not within the confines of the OP.
randome
Feb 2014
#122
Yeah, that poster always poo poohs the NSA revelations. It's not shocking that they hold
neverforget
Feb 2014
#171
You asking if I would rather follow the American system of jurisprudence enshrined in the
grahamhgreen
Feb 2014
#158
Perhaps expecting inhabitants of the Innertubes to actually read and understand documents,
struggle4progress
Feb 2014
#86
I am quite enjoying this thread...the shutdown of Silk Road, which almost certainly happened because
msanthrope
Feb 2014
#88
the solicitor general lied to SC because he assumed justice would follow the law?
questionseverything
Feb 2014
#94
Ah...the defense of Silk Road...and human trafficking. Lovely. Silk Road would operate
msanthrope
Feb 2014
#133
I might be a bit slow(or just ignorant) but just how does the name antagonize Liberals? n/t
Bodhi BloodWave
Feb 2014
#150
"Reactionary" originally referred to those elements in France that opposed the Revolution.
Maedhros
Feb 2014
#157
A poster with the handle "reACTIONary" posts consistently in defense of the NSA
Maedhros
Feb 2014
#162
Baloney. Verizon, of which I am an American customer, has been handing over metadata to the NSA
neverforget
Feb 2014
#179
Trust us! We would never abuse our power! Ever! Smith v Maryland, the ruling that supposedly allows
neverforget
Feb 2014
#182
As a Liberal, I am much more concerned with how parallel construction negatively impacts
Maedhros
Feb 2014
#168
This is an injustice. Literally. Legitimate concerns? Tough shit. Work within the law ...
GoneFishin
Feb 2014
#79