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MellowDem

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68. No, it doesn't surprise me at all...

Tue Feb 18, 2014, 10:31 PM

Feb 2014

I have as informed opinion as they do. Honestly, I don't think there is such a thing as a Muslim feminist. If you subscribe to the belief of Islam, then you can't really be a feminist IMHO, given those beliefs are inherently misogynist, as written down quite plainly. Which makes "Muslim feminists" either liars or intellectually dishonest. It makes me think these Muslim feminists are uninformed if they haven't bothered to crack open the Koran.

The source of the hijab is one of misogyny, same with Islam itself, as well as the Abrahamic religions in general.

Nothing I said is fundamentalist. Fundamentalists ruin plenty. Apologists for intellectually dishonest positions which support fundamentalism ruins quite a lot as well. Which is exactly what "Muslim feminists" are doing.

Wearing such a symbol with heavy cultural baggage of oppression and misogyny and expecting total strangers to know that you're just wearing it as a form of identity is very presumptuous. Also, why choose such a terrible symbol? Kinda reminds me of the southerners I know who think the Confederate battle flag is heritage, not hate, and can't understand why people may view it with some timidity or hostility. Requires a lot of privilege. And religion has that in spades.

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Muslim Woman Discovers Friendly New World When a Winter Scarf Covers Her Hijab [View all] JI7 Feb 2014 OP

This is an interesting story. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #1

One the one hand... CSStrowbridge Feb 2014 #2

tribes anasv Feb 2014 #4

Why not? Adrahil Feb 2014 #13

Wow. M0rpheus Feb 2014 #15

Uhm, did you read the part in her blog where she got the reverse treatment from fellow Muslims riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #16

I read the entire thing and my point to the previous poster still stands. M0rpheus Feb 2014 #17

I will agree that she is due common decency... Adrahil Feb 2014 #25

But due to her choice of religion, you'd pass up the possibility that she's worth your respect? nt M0rpheus Feb 2014 #27

yes dlwickham Feb 2014 #31

Knowing nothing past what they choose to wear and by extension their religion? M0rpheus Feb 2014 #48

religion and politics are probably the single most defining characterists of a person dlwickham Feb 2014 #53

Religion, as a poster mentioned somewhere in this thread, is more often something you grow up with. M0rpheus Feb 2014 #60

religion is a choice dlwickham Feb 2014 #78

I wouldn't go that far, but... Adrahil Feb 2014 #37

I must be living the wrong life. M0rpheus Feb 2014 #47

I do have friends that I respect Adrahil Feb 2014 #49

don't you usually respect people unless they give you reason not to ? it's not possible JI7 Feb 2014 #33

Perhaps you consider the term differently than I do. Adrahil Feb 2014 #39

Nobody automatically gets respect from me. That's weird. I'm courteous and open riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #65

No one said that instant respect was expected, much less demanded. Did you see me say that? M0rpheus Feb 2014 #67

You say it right in post #15 that instant respect should be expected because she's a human being riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #70

Being worthy of respect and expecting/demanding "instant respect" are 2 different things. M0rpheus Feb 2014 #72

i would be interested to know if the muslims knew she was muslim when she was covered JI7 Feb 2014 #29

I'm sorry, I don't agree. Adrahil Feb 2014 #23

Have you ever had a conversation with a Muslim woman about their faith? M0rpheus Feb 2014 #38

Yes I have. Adrahil Feb 2014 #40

People don't necessarily "decide" to be Muslim Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #45

Just to be clear... Adrahil Feb 2014 #46

No, I understand that. Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #55

Concur NT Adrahil Feb 2014 #57

I believe that is called being brainwashed snooper2 Feb 2014 #79

And we all are , to one degree or another. Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #80

No... MellowDem Feb 2014 #82

Well, we probably have differing opinions as to the meaning of "indoctrinate" Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #84

Indoctrinate means telling someone an opinion is truth... MellowDem Feb 2014 #85

I never got the impression that you actively disliked them. Just to be clear. M0rpheus Feb 2014 #50

"Them" hummmm pangaia Feb 2014 #51

What pronoun do you suggest? NT Adrahil Feb 2014 #52

Malala Yousafzai wears a hijab and fully covered clothing JI7 Feb 2014 #22

You make a good point. Adrahil Feb 2014 #24

there is more pressure in her culture to stay in the background regardless of what she wears and not JI7 Feb 2014 #26

If I may say so.. pangaia Feb 2014 #54

I appreciate the feedback... Thanks! NT Adrahil Feb 2014 #56

That's an interesting point. /nt Marr Feb 2014 #63

Wow...the comments are really something... yuiyoshida Feb 2014 #3

I think they copied the idea from DU. CJCRANE Feb 2014 #7

Oh well that makes sense... yuiyoshida Feb 2014 #9

Affixing "tard" to descriptive words and names as an insult isn't something DU invented kcr Feb 2014 #19

That's the way I remember it..and Urban Dictionary seems to back me up on the timeline. CJCRANE Feb 2014 #21

I didn't argue the timing kcr Feb 2014 #71

It seems more likely that a DUer invented it CJCRANE Feb 2014 #76

They're derived from JoeyT Feb 2014 #75

The odd thing is, there's no "rule" that says one must wear the ostentatious scarf folded in such a MADem Feb 2014 #5

Someone who know of what they speak. pangaia Feb 2014 #58

I'm just happy that I'm not bound by religious beliefs madokie Feb 2014 #6

I have the same reaction. Happyhippychick Feb 2014 #8

What gets me is the reaction madokie Feb 2014 #10

I'm Jewish and very cultural Happyhippychick Feb 2014 #11

I'm NOT Jewish, but who doesn't love latkes!!!!! NT Adrahil Feb 2014 #12

^^^^^ that! Happyhippychick Feb 2014 #14

Matso ball soup.. eeeiiiii. pangaia Feb 2014 #59

EVERYTHING needs to have a creator, silly! It's a rule. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #44

we've still got a long way to go in this country big_dog Feb 2014 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author 4_TN_TITANS Feb 2014 #20

Thank God she's not wearing a bikini Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #28

why would she wear a bikini in freezing temps ? JI7 Feb 2014 #30

People shouldn't have negative reactions to her for wearing her hajib, absolutely. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #32

there are some guys on here who act like they have never seen a women in bikini JI7 Feb 2014 #34

And there are some other people here Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #35

Chicago, liberal. excuse me? I must be having a flashback or something. n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #36

i'm saying compared to the entire country as a whole JI7 Feb 2014 #41

It's very Democratic, but it ain't near liberal. Remember the warm welcome Dr. King got there? Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #42

but that's my point, in much of the country it would be even worse JI7 Feb 2014 #43

�I think the people from Mississippi ought to come to Chicago to learn how to hate.� QC Feb 2014 #61

An hijab is a symbol of misogyny and oppression... MellowDem Feb 2014 #62

Would it surprise you that Muslim feminists (yes they exist) disagree? M0rpheus Feb 2014 #64

No, it doesn't surprise me at all... MellowDem Feb 2014 #68

According to that logic Christian women aren't feminists either... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #73

They aren't either... MellowDem Feb 2014 #81

It has been my experience that women who wearthese head coverings are Sivafae Feb 2014 #66

could be people do not want to insult someone demigoddess Feb 2014 #69

I dunno. I don't treat anyone differently coz of any head covering... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #74

Muslim laws and hijabs seveneyes Feb 2014 #77

Plus, considering that hair covering is not required of muslim women... Quantess Feb 2014 #83