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2banon

(7,321 posts)
116. I just learned that EFF is NOT on board
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 11:55 PM
Feb 2014

Martin and Copps were awesome, I had an opportunity to meet with them when they were with the FCC during the Bush years, a period of time I was involved in media activism.

Michael Powell is the poster child for the concerns I raise in this OP. How about the others you name come out front and center denouncing the Industry practices and intentions. That will get my attention!

Tonight, I had a looksy at EFF's position on this issue. Net Neutrality was a term I first learned from EFF several years ago.. I recall warnings that this would be coming as it now has. This was the early Bush years.

But I haven't kept up with their ideas on this specific issue since those years, and now I just learned they are NOT on board with the call for the FCC to reclassify. Their point of view is quite compelling, and causing me to rethink my initial position on this.

Here's an excerpt from Why the FCC Can't Actually Save Net Neutralit

What was wrong with the FCC’s network neutrality approach

The Open Internet rules of 2010 that were rejected by the court last week were deeply flawed and confirmed our fears about heavy-handed Internet regulation. The FCC initially claimed that it had “ancillary” authority under the 1996 Telecommunications Act to enact the Open Internet rules. That means that although the FCC did not have explicit authority from Congress to issue network neutrality rules, especially after classifying Internet service as an “information service” and not a telephone-like “common carrier” in 2002, they still professed a broad authority to regulate the Internet.

That claim of ancillary jurisdiction, if accepted, would have given the FCC pretty much boundless clearance to regulate the Internet, and to claim other ancillary powers in the future. Even if you happen to like the FCC’s current goals, who’s to say we will still like whatever goals the agency has next year and the year after that?

We had serious issues with the initial Open Internet Order, as we explained in our comments to the FCC. For one, the Order allowed ISPs free rein to discriminate as long as it was part of “reasonable efforts to… address copyright infringement.” This broad language could lead to more bogus copyright policing from the ISPs. We’ve already seen companies use inaccurate filters to block non-infringing fair use content online, a practice we continue to fight.

The FCC’s rules also had troubling exceptions for law enforcement, permitting ISPs to engage in voluntary, non-neutral network management practices to fulfill any law enforcement requests. We opposed this exception when the rules were being considered, but the FCC did not adopt our recommendations. And by now we all know how overbroad law enforcement exceptions to gather user data can be. If you have any doubt, pick up a newspaper and read about how the U.S. government unconstitutionally collaborates with Internet companies for law enforcement purposes.

There are no easy solutions

In light of these threats it is tempting to reach for easy solutions. But handing the problem to a government agency with strong industry ties and poor mechanisms for public accountability to fix the very real problem of network neutrality is unsatisfying. There’s a real danger that we would just be creating more problems than we’d solve.

One alternative that would go a long way would be to foster a genuinely competitive market for Internet access. If subscribers and customers had adequate information about their options and could vote with their feet, ISPs would have strong incentives to treat all network traffic fairly. The court agreed with us on this point:

“a broadband provider like Comcast would be unable to threaten Netflix that it would slow Netflix traffic if all Comcast subscribers would then immediately switch to a competing broadband provider.”

Another scenario would be for Congress to step in and pass network neutrality legislation that outlines what the ISPs are not allowed to do. But fighting giant mega-corporations like AT&T and Verizon (and their army of lobbyists) in Congress promises to be a tough battle.

Yet another option: empower subscribers to not just test their ISP but challenge it in court if they detect harmful non-neutral practices. That gives all of us the chance to be watchdogs of the public interest but it, too, is likely to face powerful ISP opposition.

These are not the only options. Internet users should be wary of any suggestion that there is an easy path to network neutrality. It’s a hard problem, and building solutions to resolve it is going to remain challenging. But here is one guiding principle: any effort to defend net neutrality should use the lightest touch possible, encourage a competitive marketplace, and focus on preventing discriminatory conduct by ISPs, rather than issuing broad mandatory obligations that are vulnerable to perverse consequences and likely to be outdated as soon as they take effect.

EFF is watching this issue closely, and we’ll continue to share our thoughts on how best to defend the free and open Internet on which we all depend.






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K&R! G_j Feb 2014 #1
Why you ask ? SamKnause Feb 2014 #2
Good point.. Maybe THIS issue will inspire those supporters to take action? 2banon Feb 2014 #3
Many of them agree with his picks and policies. That's why they voted KoKo Feb 2014 #4
You do realize that your Presidential candidate voted to confirm Mr. Wheeler? nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #7
You are ruining perfectly good faux outrage!!!! JoePhilly Feb 2014 #34
Do YOU think it is a good idea to appoint lobbyists to regulate the industries they represent? Armstead Feb 2014 #42
They believe that what is good for Wall Street is good for the country. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #52
Because this is the internet and I can focus where ever I choose. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #74
Not the point at all. 2banon Feb 2014 #78
You can conclude whatever you want ... again, this is the internet. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #81
Consider this a call to action (link) 2banon Feb 2014 #89
No summary ... no link clicking. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #91
Just edited OP to Add Summaries and Links for Net Neutrality and Media Consolidation 2banon Feb 2014 #98
You assume that everyone who cares about actual issues blindly freaks out. Armstead Feb 2014 #80
Who said I don't care about media consolidation? JoePhilly Feb 2014 #83
Let me put it this way. Armstead Feb 2014 #95
Who are these "other qualified people?" JoePhilly Feb 2014 #96
There's the specifics here and there's the larger attitude Armstead Feb 2014 #101
Well Said.. 2banon Feb 2014 #102
Thanks. Armstead Feb 2014 #104
Yes, I edited the OP to add links for background summaries and Calls to Action 2banon Feb 2014 #106
And the corporatists dont understand why the lower classes are outraged. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #51
"Faux Outrage" ? Seriously? 2banon Feb 2014 #59
Be honest ... JoePhilly Feb 2014 #76
Honestly.. 2banon Feb 2014 #84
Please explain what we're supposed to be upset about. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #88
I'm not taking you seriously at this point.. 2banon Feb 2014 #99
Already addressed that question in the OP. 2banon Feb 2014 #100
This one of the posters that, if President Obama killed and ate a puppy during a press conference, Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #93
You're making a very odd assumption. Maybe it's projection? Do you really think that those who sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #110
+1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast Feb 2014 #121
When you ask about how they reconcile "Fast Tracking" the TTP you get Phlem Feb 2014 #37
I agree..and it's a sad commentary, isn't it? n/t 2banon Feb 2014 #62
Obama didn't say a hell of a lot. It was all empty rhetoric. BlueStreak Feb 2014 #56
+1. It WAS all empty rhetoric....both times. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2014 #149
Not likely. SamKnause Feb 2014 #6
The same as Bill Clinton did. Yavapai Feb 2014 #44
Agree SamKnause Feb 2014 #45
Then why did Senators Warren and Sanders vote for him, too? nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #8
For the same reasons Senators Warren, Franken, and Sanders voted for him.... msanthrope Feb 2014 #5
What is in the proposal that appeals to you? 2banon Feb 2014 #15
We don't need legislation to fix it...but we do need Congressional hearings that msanthrope Feb 2014 #17
I would agree, if for once the findings were given the weight that is due for implementation 2banon Feb 2014 #22
Blasphemer!!!! JoePhilly Feb 2014 #25
What is your position on Net Neutrality? n/t sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #127
It's kind of interesting what constitutes as "Well Qualified" .. 2banon Feb 2014 #32
you have to understand. Phlem Feb 2014 #38
Plus raising over $700,000 for President Obama's madville Feb 2014 #90
Sometimes you have to let the sharks feed. Rex Feb 2014 #9
Yeah, there is that too. 2banon Feb 2014 #11
I give the man hell for being a corporate suit sometimes. Then I remember he is just a small fish. Rex Feb 2014 #12
I wouldn't mind living in the forest, if I could trust it wasn't going to be mined or fracked.. ;) 2banon Feb 2014 #33
If we could get back to the days of enforcing laws against near monopolies Rex Feb 2014 #36
BINGO! Armstead Feb 2014 #43
Exactly so. I'm tired of being shafted, and I'm tired of being cynical.. 2banon Feb 2014 #49
Rex!!!!!!!! Autumn Feb 2014 #27
Did you hear? They are coming out with a new movie called Shark of Wall Street! Rex Feb 2014 #29
Ohhh I love real life documentaries. I hope Timmy plays the lead. Autumn Feb 2014 #30
LOL! Rex Feb 2014 #31
Unrec ...and FYI, Wheeler is working with Congress on net neutrality. Don't forget msanthrope Feb 2014 #10
Doesn't need to work with a corrupt congress. The FCC can "fix" this issue quite simply and quickly 2banon Feb 2014 #14
Sorry...but I think he should work with Franken and Wyden on this. I agree that the FCC msanthrope Feb 2014 #16
Re-Classify first, then we can have our dog and pony show.. 2banon Feb 2014 #20
You're missing the point of hearings...to provide Congressional findings msanthrope Feb 2014 #21
I get the point, I just don't have faith in the outcome. 2banon Feb 2014 #28
It should with President Obama setting a direction.... Armstead Feb 2014 #46
Hear, Here! n/t 2banon Feb 2014 #65
Then who should he have appointed? nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #136
People who have dedicated their lives in the Public Interest 2banon Feb 2014 #143
an here's TOM WHEELER----doing everything you could ask--- msanthrope Feb 2014 #144
I hope you're right. 2banon Feb 2014 #146
Why? You say you think it's important but you don't say why. just repeat that it's important cali Feb 2014 #23
I think your assessment is incorrect. Reclassifying the internet only gets them back to where they okaawhatever Feb 2014 #111
hmm. You make some very good points 2banon Feb 2014 #115
i've been reading more since my last post. Last night I read probably ten or twenty articles, but okaawhatever Feb 2014 #117
I have to also concede this issue is more complicated than I previously considered. 2banon Feb 2014 #118
I couldn't find the article excerpt I just read, but I think this one is similar. okaawhatever Feb 2014 #120
Not really all that complex, from the pov of the consumer, it's really quite simple. 2banon Feb 2014 #18
It is complex if you want to win the eventual court challenges. I agree with the idea of a msanthrope Feb 2014 #19
probably because Obama is the antichrist Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #13
Do YOU think it is a good idea to appoint lobbyists to regulate the industries they represent? Armstead Feb 2014 #47
it always has to do with each specific individual and each specific case. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #53
How about this individual and this case? Armstead Feb 2014 #57
why not? treestar Feb 2014 #79
Everyone is potentialy corrupt....or just myopic Armstead Feb 2014 #82
It is, because when one assumes that everyone would do a thing treestar Feb 2014 #97
It's the extent and a matter of balance Armstead Feb 2014 #103
OMG. Obama appointed the GE and Comcast Atty to the Anti-Trust division of the Justice Dept!! 2banon Feb 2014 #107
I quit believing in our president when he appointed Rahm. LiberalArkie Feb 2014 #24
It's funny, I didn't know much about Rahm until his appointment.. 2banon Feb 2014 #35
PBO had 2 tells during his acceptance speech. Phlem Feb 2014 #39
Because ProSense Feb 2014 #26
Do you have the inside scoop on why Obama appointed Wheeler as FCC chairman? JDPriestly Feb 2014 #50
Who cares? He nominated him, he was confirmned and now he's working for the President. ProSense Feb 2014 #55
I care. A lot of internet users care. Do you know why Obama appointed Wheeler? JDPriestly Feb 2014 #67
About the ProSense Feb 2014 #68
Nothing to add to this well said synopsis. 2banon Feb 2014 #58
I like to think President Obama has more discriminating Cha Feb 2014 #86
We are told repeatedly that we should have known when we voted for him. . . . . JDPriestly Feb 2014 #40
Hillary..... Enthusiast Feb 2014 #122
Change you can believe in!!! bvar22 Feb 2014 #150
Right. I traveled half-way across the country to help insure his win, and he has done many JDPriestly Feb 2014 #151
K&R DeSwiss Feb 2014 #41
With many of his appointments it seems like he thinks what is needed is the knowledge of the ins and jwirr Feb 2014 #48
good observation Armstead Feb 2014 #64
One reason no critical mass is a lot of peope don't know anything about it Armstead Feb 2014 #54
Good point. Here's to freepress.net for their tireless work on these issue.. here's a link 2banon Feb 2014 #71
Troubling quotes from Mr. Wheeler Armstead Feb 2014 #60
+1 jsr Feb 2014 #132
Here: ProSense Feb 2014 #61
Well THIS is really encouaging. I feel better now Armstead Feb 2014 #63
Good, because ProSense Feb 2014 #66
And therefore we should all just shut off our laptops and go watch Duck Dynasty... Armstead Feb 2014 #69
If you do the NSA will give Obama a favorable report and put a gold star by your name. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #70
ROFL! 2banon Feb 2014 #73
Maybe ProSense Feb 2014 #72
Well thank you for making your position crystal clear. 2banon Feb 2014 #75
What nonsense. ProSense Feb 2014 #77
Net Netutrality is Apple Pie and Motherhood. Easy to claim to support it. Armstead Feb 2014 #92
You are ProSense Feb 2014 #134
Your philosophy in a nutshell. "Don't Care." Armstead Feb 2014 #85
Yup. It's as close to a core value as the Third Way gets: "Either way!" woo me with science Feb 2014 #113
+1 Enthusiast Feb 2014 #124
LOL! ProSense Feb 2014 #138
OMG. I can't believe Pro actually posted that. bvar22 Feb 2014 #152
+1 Enthusiast Feb 2014 #123
Gee you have a way with words. ProSense Feb 2014 #139
Oh, I ProSense Feb 2014 #135
Over 700,000 reasons madville Feb 2014 #87
That explains a lot. 2banon Feb 2014 #94
+100000000 woo me with science Feb 2014 #105
"a place in line at the feed trough" Enthusiast Feb 2014 #125
I stand with President Obama UNCONDITIONALLY - no matter what!! As Job said to the Lord Douglas Carpenter Feb 2014 #108
that really slays me.. 2banon Feb 2014 #109
Well done. woo me with science Feb 2014 #114
Most excellent. jsr Feb 2014 #133
A post like this only proves how condescending some people are. ProSense Feb 2014 #141
It's not a response to the OP brentspeak Feb 2014 #154
A few facts for the record. onenote Feb 2014 #112
I just learned that EFF is NOT on board 2banon Feb 2014 #116
There are complexities and dilemmas for sure.... Armstead Feb 2014 #129
Completely Agree. The infrastructure should be considered Public Commons, imo. 2banon Feb 2014 #130
What is needed is an overriding framework...The rest can flow from that Armstead Feb 2014 #131
Overriding framework we call Net Neutrality.. 2banon Feb 2014 #140
Me too, but to use the public utility example Armstead Feb 2014 #142
Yes..in principle, essentially the same idea. 2banon Feb 2014 #145
These things always need housecleaning Armstead Feb 2014 #147
LOL! Completely Agree.. 2banon Feb 2014 #148
Kevin Martin was anything but awesome onenote Feb 2014 #153
That's interesting 2banon Feb 2014 #155
Why did he have to go to the same corproate trough? Armstead Feb 2014 #119
I do not approve of corporate retreads. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #126
I signed it and gave comments. KoKo Feb 2014 #128
They say you will know them by their deeds wocaonimabi Feb 2014 #137
A kick in light of the new "net neutrality" rules the FCC is floating villager Apr 2014 #156
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