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In reply to the discussion: DEA Manuals Show Feds Use NSA Spy Data, Train Cops to Construct False Chains of Evidence [View all]neverforget
(9,512 posts)179. Baloney. Verizon, of which I am an American customer, has been handing over metadata to the NSA
of American citizens. I can reasonably assume that my information is in an NSA database somewhere although I am an American citizen. An intelligence agency that is supposed to be spying on foreigners is spying on Americans.
On a conference call with reporters in August, a senior U.S. intelligence official spoke in blunt terms about the cooperation of the telecom giants with the NSA surveillance programs. The telecommunications companies are ordered to comply with this, the official said. Thats their role in this. As in a wide variety of other contexts, they get served with an order and they comply with the courts order. The official declined to either confirm or deny whether any of the telecommunications companies had ever objected to participating in the programs.
In another NSA program, authorized by the USA PATRIOT Act, the telecom giants work with the government to provide access to the phone records of tens of millions of U.S. citizens, including the number called, when the call was made, and the length of the conversation. Among the documents that Snowden leaked was a top-secret court order issued by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) a secret court made up of 11 federal judges appointed by U.S. Chief Justice John Roberts which requires Verizon to provide the NSA on an ongoing, daily basis with this so-called metadata on all phone calls made by its U.S. customers.
Read more: Verizon, AT&T Challenged on NSA Spying | TIME.com http://business.time.com/2013/11/21/verizon-att-challenged-on-nsa-spying/#ixzz2tjkpakSv
In another NSA program, authorized by the USA PATRIOT Act, the telecom giants work with the government to provide access to the phone records of tens of millions of U.S. citizens, including the number called, when the call was made, and the length of the conversation. Among the documents that Snowden leaked was a top-secret court order issued by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) a secret court made up of 11 federal judges appointed by U.S. Chief Justice John Roberts which requires Verizon to provide the NSA on an ongoing, daily basis with this so-called metadata on all phone calls made by its U.S. customers.
Read more: Verizon, AT&T Challenged on NSA Spying | TIME.com http://business.time.com/2013/11/21/verizon-att-challenged-on-nsa-spying/#ixzz2tjkpakSv
The National Security Agency is currently collecting the telephone records of millions of US customers of Verizon, one of America's largest telecoms providers, under a top secret court order issued in April.
The order, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, requires Verizon on an "ongoing, daily basis" to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the US and between the US and other countries.
The document shows for the first time that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of US citizens are being collected indiscriminately and in bulk regardless of whether they are suspected of any wrongdoing.
The secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (Fisa) granted the order to the FBI on April 25, giving the government unlimited authority to obtain the data for a specified three-month period ending on July 19.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order
The order, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, requires Verizon on an "ongoing, daily basis" to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the US and between the US and other countries.
The document shows for the first time that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of US citizens are being collected indiscriminately and in bulk regardless of whether they are suspected of any wrongdoing.
The secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (Fisa) granted the order to the FBI on April 25, giving the government unlimited authority to obtain the data for a specified three-month period ending on July 19.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order
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DEA Manuals Show Feds Use NSA Spy Data, Train Cops to Construct False Chains of Evidence [View all]
Are_grits_groceries
Feb 2014
OP
Remember when there was mocking for suggesting that the spying even existed?
woo me with science
Feb 2014
#1
I've put both of them on my ignore list, and threads have immediately become more constructive. [n/t
Maedhros
Feb 2014
#62
Yes. But now that it has been exposed, the way not to deal with it is to use the 'look over there'
sabrina 1
Feb 2014
#39
We have always had spies...who was deluded into thinking this is something new?
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#57
Yes, that's what the article in the OP is alleging: that an insider has provided that evidence
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2014
#72
Which is exactly what would make falsifying chains of evidence so egregious.
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2014
#74
but you don't just believe every thing you hear just because it fits your narrative
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#82
Do you have anything of substance or just a smiley provided to you by the founders of this forum?
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2014
#92
+1 This should be the beginning of relentless investigation of these crimes,
woo me with science
Feb 2014
#15
In your opinion is constructing false evidence trails an ethical government practice? n/t
Fumesucker
Feb 2014
#19
And there it is. Endorsement of secret government fabrication of evidence trails.
woo me with science
Feb 2014
#31
What you are saying that it doesnt matter how you get evidence. Search warrants are not required
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#32
Well, Carl Bernstein says it okay so for randome, that means its okay!111!!!1 nt
riderinthestorm
Feb 2014
#34
The biggest change I would like is to do away with the House of Representatives.
randome
Feb 2014
#108
No one is creating false evidence. At least not within the confines of the OP.
randome
Feb 2014
#122
Yeah, that poster always poo poohs the NSA revelations. It's not shocking that they hold
neverforget
Feb 2014
#171
You asking if I would rather follow the American system of jurisprudence enshrined in the
grahamhgreen
Feb 2014
#158
Perhaps expecting inhabitants of the Innertubes to actually read and understand documents,
struggle4progress
Feb 2014
#86
I am quite enjoying this thread...the shutdown of Silk Road, which almost certainly happened because
msanthrope
Feb 2014
#88
the solicitor general lied to SC because he assumed justice would follow the law?
questionseverything
Feb 2014
#94
Ah...the defense of Silk Road...and human trafficking. Lovely. Silk Road would operate
msanthrope
Feb 2014
#133
I might be a bit slow(or just ignorant) but just how does the name antagonize Liberals? n/t
Bodhi BloodWave
Feb 2014
#150
"Reactionary" originally referred to those elements in France that opposed the Revolution.
Maedhros
Feb 2014
#157
A poster with the handle "reACTIONary" posts consistently in defense of the NSA
Maedhros
Feb 2014
#162
Baloney. Verizon, of which I am an American customer, has been handing over metadata to the NSA
neverforget
Feb 2014
#179
Trust us! We would never abuse our power! Ever! Smith v Maryland, the ruling that supposedly allows
neverforget
Feb 2014
#182
As a Liberal, I am much more concerned with how parallel construction negatively impacts
Maedhros
Feb 2014
#168
This is an injustice. Literally. Legitimate concerns? Tough shit. Work within the law ...
GoneFishin
Feb 2014
#79