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138. Best to you, thanks. nt

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That jury denied justice to Jordan Davis and his family. Be real. [View all] geek tragedy Feb 2014 OP

They did not convict him of MURDERING Jordan Davis, elleng Feb 2014 #1

They did not convict him at all for his conduct towards Davis. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #2

due to particular charge against him elleng Feb 2014 #3

He was convicted on four counts. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #4

NOT on whether 'he did anything wrong' re: Davis, elleng Feb 2014 #8

Well, yeah when you murder someone that's what the charge is. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #10

You don't know that. sked14 Feb 2014 #27

no- from the jury question on self defense- at least one juror was trying to let him off for ALL bettyellen Feb 2014 #60

That makes no sense mythology Feb 2014 #59

here's how it worked: geek tragedy Feb 2014 #62

and until the judge clarified, the idiot juror hoped spraying bullets at four fleeing people could bettyellen Feb 2014 #65

yep. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #74

It does- the juror likely talked his way into a corner, insisting it was self defense..... bettyellen Feb 2014 #63

True, but they failed to see it as murder, which is a real crime imo. Rex Feb 2014 #104

I'm troubled demwing Feb 2014 #7

Because if he had stopped shooting after he murdered Jordan Davis, there geek tragedy Feb 2014 #9

Maybe, but is it logical demwing Feb 2014 #12

racism is more insidious than that. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #13

"almost literally impossible to acquit him" Why? demwing Feb 2014 #25

because fleeing in a car you are shooting at is not an agressive act. and it's pretty hard to bettyellen Feb 2014 #68

You were right, I apologize demwing Feb 2014 #136

Ugh sad - two, then three for self defense? Wow. bettyellen Feb 2014 #139

You were right, I apologize demwing Feb 2014 #137

Best to you, thanks. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #138

That is highly unlikely to be true. whopis01 Feb 2014 #31

Bliows you mind doesn't it that some think that it just HAD to be a racist sked14 Feb 2014 #34

Yeah - it does. And it is a bad path to start going down. whopis01 Feb 2014 #41

no, you have to be able to discuss racism openly and that does not, in any way make you go bettyellen Feb 2014 #82

one person gave him benefit of the doubt for "self defense" and tried to give him same for shooting bettyellen Feb 2014 #72

Well we will see. n/t whopis01 Feb 2014 #93

I already saw them ask the question, there is no walking it back that someone on that jury bought bettyellen Feb 2014 #95

Until we hear directly from the jury, sked14 Feb 2014 #112

not speculation that the jury discussed self defense for all of the charges- it's part of the record bettyellen Feb 2014 #113

They asked about it, but you have no idea in what context. sked14 Feb 2014 #114

so, you think they asked about it because no one wanted to consider it? Lol...okay then. bettyellen Feb 2014 #115

Exactly the same thing you're doing, speculating, sked14 Feb 2014 #117

that they asked to consider self defense is a fact- it's one of the few things we know they bettyellen Feb 2014 #118

Once again, you don't know in what context sked14 Feb 2014 #119

the context was their deliberation- the last question they asked before reaching a verdict. bettyellen Feb 2014 #120

Oh gosh look- the jury was going for self defense bettyellen Feb 2014 #140

think of it this way: geek tragedy Feb 2014 #87

You have no way to prove AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #86

the current template? one juror wanted to let him off with self defense. end of story. bettyellen Feb 2014 #100

And there was a ton of other AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #103

I think it was the juror who went for self defense- defying all known facts- that we are talking bettyellen Feb 2014 #109

You are engaging in complete speculation AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #123

the fact is- they asked the jury about "self defense" applying to ALL the charges. that is on record bettyellen Feb 2014 #125

any excuse for killing a black kid noiretextatique Mar 2014 #141

In fairness there is a bit of history in Florida el_bryanto Feb 2014 #39

You're right. I can't add anything. /nt demwing Feb 2014 #49

+10000 noiretextatique Feb 2014 #84

They didn't acquit either. This is not hard to understand. morningfog Feb 2014 #52

yes, they had nothing meaningful to say about his actions towards Davis nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #53

It is not their job to say anything. morningfog Feb 2014 #55

"most likely" geek tragedy Feb 2014 #58

That's not quite right, the state has charged Michael Dunn with 1st degree murder. Fla Dem Feb 2014 #122

This is false , there's no "wait" for premeditated murder... Could be seconds and that uponit7771 Feb 2014 #5

You know what the instructions to the jury were? elleng Feb 2014 #11

He will be retried and I hope for the finality of justice ... arthritisR_US Feb 2014 #6

I think it is possible that this jury was reluctant Jenoch Feb 2014 #14

that is not a permissible consideration for a jury. their job is to determine guilt. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #15

You WANT there to be a racist juror demwing Feb 2014 #26

and the way you WANT there NOT to be a racist juror heaven05 Feb 2014 #30

Do you believe in the death penalty? demwing Feb 2014 #35

vengeance is NOT a bad thing sometimes heaven05 Feb 2014 #38

This is where we disagree demwing Feb 2014 #48

No, but I would prefer self defense require an agressive act- and not some ridiculous fear bettyellen Feb 2014 #121

The state said it would not seek the death penalty, elleng Feb 2014 #17

I had read the jury had the option to convice on lesser charges? Scootaloo Feb 2014 #22

Yes they did. whopis01 Feb 2014 #33

Oh that's it. I'm sure Scootaloo Feb 2014 #21

I said I thought it was 'possible'. Jenoch Feb 2014 #24

Agreed Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #16

Truth. JoeyT Feb 2014 #18

Hung On Even Lesser Charges SoCalMusicLover Feb 2014 #19

I'm glad they didn't convict on the lesser charges. missingthebigdog Feb 2014 #28

Not true. sked14 Feb 2014 #32

But that doesn't make sense Diamonique Feb 2014 #36

If one or more were holding out for acquittal, sked14 Feb 2014 #37

the court said they couldn't consider it self defense for ALL of the shootings- just the one. bettyellen Feb 2014 #75

I think some folks don't wish to or are too emotionally vested to process that as even plausible. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #40

The Florida prosecutors support Stand Your Ground Murder of black on white-ish. IAmKirak Feb 2014 #20

+ 1 SYG Laws are a free pass for whites to kill non whites wocaonimabi Feb 2014 #23

Sad, but true. IAmKirak Feb 2014 #91

True. n/t Whisp Feb 2014 #29

While I agree there was no alsame Feb 2014 #42

How do you know that it wasn't one or two jurors that were holding out sked14 Feb 2014 #44

That's true. But I think if there was alsame Feb 2014 #47

We have a dead person but only attempted murder. jwirr Feb 2014 #43

So far. sked14 Feb 2014 #45

Good. jwirr Feb 2014 #46

I agree. nt cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #50

Dumbest post yet. morningfog Feb 2014 #51

where did you read that the only matter of dispute was between 2nd and 1st degree murder geek tragedy Feb 2014 #54

And where did you read otherwise? demwing Feb 2014 #56

It is obvious. morningfog Feb 2014 #57

No, one of the jurors was in favor of letting him off on grounds of self defense. bettyellen Feb 2014 #76

I believe you owe a retraction. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #135

"Legally, there has been no finding that Dunn did anything wrong by killing Jordan Davis" demwing Feb 2014 #61

it was obvious Dunn committed a criminal homicide. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #64

Unable to agree on the level of criminal liability. morningfog Feb 2014 #66

basis for that conclusion? nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #73

Hung jury. morningfog Feb 2014 #81

Which is why they're re-trying the case... Hippo_Tron Feb 2014 #67

I'm sorry, you were Juror #...? demwing Feb 2014 #70

logical inference based on their three questions from earlier that morning geek tragedy Feb 2014 #77

The questions were.. Sassysdad Feb 2014 #90

all it takes is one bad juror to thwart justice nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #92

One bad juror? Sassysdad Feb 2014 #99

why, because they charged him with the offense he committed? geek tragedy Feb 2014 #101

I'm doing no such thing... Sassysdad Feb 2014 #107

did you miss the jury questions on Saturday about self defense? Or just unable to understand what bettyellen Feb 2014 #79

Why? Beacool Feb 2014 #69

they couldn't agree that he committed a crime against Jordan Davis. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #78

Maybe it's because they charged him with first degree murder. Beacool Feb 2014 #80

Ok? AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #85

yes. when they saw that a drunk, angry racist gun nut is maybe justified in emptying geek tragedy Feb 2014 #88

So racist dimwits AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #105

you have a rather shallow understanding of racism and a mistaken one on reasonable doubt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #106

And I will judge AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #124

that you think it would be justice that he get away with murdering Jordan Davis says everything geek tragedy Feb 2014 #130

someone saw self defense- they said so to the judge. they saw self defense in ALL of it. bettyellen Feb 2014 #126

The wild speculation is that it is racism AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #128

wow, thanks for your take on what is not "real racism", LOL. you should share that with the AA bettyellen Feb 2014 #129

Alternate headline: AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #71

Thank you... have seen too many apologist positions on DU JCMach1 Feb 2014 #83

Prison is prison... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #89

How do they find him guilty of attempted murder and not murder? Renew Deal Feb 2014 #94

Two separate fusillades of bullets from him. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #96

They bought the self defense argument? Renew Deal Feb 2014 #98

at least one did in all likelihood. jury questions from yesterday were all about geek tragedy Feb 2014 #102

not sure why that didn't sink in, it was obvious someone was pushing for aquittal of all counts at bettyellen Feb 2014 #116

Agreed Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #97

The jury probably couldn't decide between Murder 1 and Murder 2 bobclark86 Feb 2014 #108

um, no, the prosecution wasn't going to seek the death penalty geek tragedy Feb 2014 #111

give it time. they will. spanone Feb 2014 #110

Hopefully A Juror Will Come Forward SoCalMusicLover Feb 2014 #127

What about a wrongful death suit? OJ Simpson was found guilty in a civil trial and paid millions. alp227 Feb 2014 #131

This concerns me savalez Feb 2014 #132

defendant would doubtlessly appeal consecutive sentences nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #133

Wouldn't they have to go to appeals court first? Diamonique Feb 2014 #134