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In reply to the discussion: What the Mainstream Media isn't telling you about the situation in Kiev. [View all]Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)7. Paul Craig Roberts writes for Rense and
Global Research isn't exactly a great source either.
I know there are difficulties with accepting any EU ties with it's austerity message. However, you seem to be painting the Russian government and Yanukovich as a better alternative.
There are bad bargains all around with no easy answer.
I understand you live there, but that doesn't mean you have no agenda or that you aren't seeing this from a narrow point of view.
It's an impossible situation to untangle and it's not easy for any of us but especially for you who live in the middle of it.
We are too far away to judge with great accuracy and yet ironically, you may be too close.
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What the Mainstream Media isn't telling you about the situation in Kiev. [View all]
MattSh
Feb 2014
OP
Agreed. For one, there's an analysis of what joining the EU does to the country, but not a
okaawhatever
Feb 2014
#43
Don't polls show that a plurality of Ukrainians prefer a closer association with the EU rather than
pampango
Feb 2014
#9
"A poll conducted October 2-15, 2013 by GfK Ukraine showed three times as many Ukrainians favoring
pampango
Feb 2014
#24
The "3-to-1 slam-dunk" I presented clearly compared those favoring an EU agreement (44%) to those
pampango
Feb 2014
#66
That's your interpretation. I posted the actual poll results which shows that less than 50% support
pampango
Feb 2014
#72
Deflection is apparently a two-way street. You're not contradicting anything I posted.
pampango
Feb 2014
#80
But, clocks! And I rec'd it for the part prior to the Father of Reaganomics there... n/t
freshwest
Feb 2014
#38
Quite frankly, if you want to argue against someone who is arguing that a protest is fascist
Fred Sanders
Feb 2014
#12
You have to understand I have family members who have been involved in the protests.
Tommy_Carcetti
Feb 2014
#22
Thailand, Venezuela and Ukraine protestors ALL cite "corruption" to overthrow recently elected
Fred Sanders
Feb 2014
#27
Exactly my point. It is also well documented in Thailand and Venezuela and in Egypt, but the
Fred Sanders
Feb 2014
#29
It's documented in the US government too. Tell me a government that doesn't have well documented
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#47
You are quite possibly the most insufferable (jerk) I have met in all my years at DU.
Tommy_Carcetti
Feb 2014
#84
Shoot. I can't get it to load. Don't know what's wrong. Is it for subscribers only? n/t
freshwest
Feb 2014
#40
Thank you for some much needed information and for the other posts on this thread..
mountain grammy
Feb 2014
#19
+1. The only protesters who aren't 1) ignored or 2) framed as lawless malcontents are the ones the
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#48
informative thread. I have another viewpoint to share because I know nothing about this situation.
libdem4life
Feb 2014
#35
No -- sometimes things get worse. Witness Iraq; witness the mafia state of Kosovo; etc.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#50
Thank you, another one of our and our Western Imperial Allies' 'proxy wars'. Hillary explained it
sabrina 1
Feb 2014
#58
You're ignoring the elephant in the room of ethnic Ukranian nationalism.
Spider Jerusalem
Feb 2014
#64