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Kablooie

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51. Your right that the jurors had to be prejudiced.

Wed Feb 19, 2014, 12:14 PM

Feb 2014

Even with stand your ground, if you are sitting in a car yelling at someone else in a car using a gun is not a defense.

I wish they would interview one of the jurors that got him off.

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Juror in 'Loud Music' Trial Wanted Murder Conviction [View all] M0rpheus Feb 2014 OP

Yep. That's what I figured. kcr Feb 2014 #1

What is with editing/journalism these days? BlueCheese Feb 2014 #3

Eminent - love that dude Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #38

it's a put on. dionysus Feb 2014 #45

I believe much of editing / "journalism" has been offshored Skittles Feb 2014 #83

Remember how we got lectured for geek tragedy Feb 2014 #6

Yep - I sure do remember that. . . JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #52

one person--demwing--did, and he was very gracious about it. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #53

+1 Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #61

So self defense by some jurors AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #73

for the jurors who thought it was reasonable for him to pump geek tragedy Feb 2014 #74

"It said if he believed that he had an eminent threat to himself or his fiancee, so that was a thing JI7 Feb 2014 #2

As was obvious to those of us paying attention. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #4

Imminent not eminent Fumesucker Feb 2014 #5

Floriduh juries presume dead black kids guilty. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #7

only 3 jurors bought the self-defense argument. woolldog Feb 2014 #8

I figured it was a lone racist idiot. So I'm disappointed. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #9

or do a better job in jury selection woolldog Feb 2014 #10

part of the defense strategy was to make sure to get some racists on the jury JI7 Feb 2014 #12

The Jury Instructions Did Not Use "Reasonable" DallasNE Feb 2014 #21

Not true. woolldog Feb 2014 #44

The Jury Instructions Are Conflicting. DallasNE Feb 2014 #76

I would assume that whether the killing is "justified" woolldog Feb 2014 #78

Yeah, Dumbass Dunn was so "frightened".. Cha Feb 2014 #11

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #50

This is what I suspected. bravenak Feb 2014 #13

EXACTLY!! SkyDaddy7 Feb 2014 #16

That is some terrible stuff. bravenak Feb 2014 #18

Florida should be held in perjury of the Constitution which promises the government will provide for world wide wally Feb 2014 #14

Data link? Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #56

Here is the link where I read the information world wide wally Feb 2014 #84

Thanks. Great link. Many thoughts. Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #85

On promotion Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #86

Jury Instructions Are Often Key To Understanding A Verdict DallasNE Feb 2014 #15

Isn't "beyond a reasonable doubt" the standard for the prosecution, not the defense? Bazinga Feb 2014 #26

Correct - Should Have Said "Reasonable Fear" Rather than "Reasonable Doubt" DallasNE Feb 2014 #72

When you're on a jury you sometimes must make decisions you disagree with... Kablooie Feb 2014 #17

there is no honest, intelligent interpretation of a guy yelling at kids in a car and then shooting geek tragedy Feb 2014 #20

Your right that the jurors had to be prejudiced. Kablooie Feb 2014 #51

problem is, all it takes is a couple of gun humping racist cowards on the jury Skittles Feb 2014 #81

You don't have to make decisions you disagree with NobodyHere Feb 2014 #32

Read up on your rights as a Juror. rgbecker Feb 2014 #71

That figures davidpdx Feb 2014 #19

So, if he had not shot at the fleeing van, he might have walked? Jeebus. Hoyt Feb 2014 #22

which it looks like Dunn can appeal can't he uponit7771 Feb 2014 #37

won't be successful and he's run out of money to hire a lawyer nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #62

I don't like anyone calling it the Loud Music trial. Calling it B Calm Feb 2014 #23

Can we stop with the gray box? CANDO Feb 2014 #24

'The gray box' is DU's standard 'excerpt' function muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #40

Thanks for the reply... CANDO Feb 2014 #80

I'm afraid to say gollygee Feb 2014 #25

Glad the juror spoke so we know why they hung. morningfog Feb 2014 #27

Worse than alsame Feb 2014 #28

I imagined one .... etherealtruth Feb 2014 #87

This still doesn't make sense mythology Feb 2014 #29

there were two sets of shots dsc Feb 2014 #46

He fired 10 shots in all Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #60

there were actually three sets of shots TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #77

because Dunn shot into the vehicle as it was fleeing. SD clearly could not be applied at that point. magical thyme Feb 2014 #47

This is WORSE than Zimmerman uponit7771 Feb 2014 #30

No they are the same. Fearful white men, shoot and murder innocent B Calm Feb 2014 #31

At least with Zimmerman there alsame Feb 2014 #33

Again, if GZ hadn't stalked his victim, there wouldn't be a gun and there B Calm Feb 2014 #34

Yeap that's my issue worth Zimmerman was the stalking.... FL a is uponit7771 Feb 2014 #36

Oh, I absolutely agree with alsame Feb 2014 #41

nah black kids don't need a weapon just existence to a gun nut uponit7771 Feb 2014 #42

And to 3 alsame Feb 2014 #43

... to a "gun nut" and Florida juries etherealtruth Feb 2014 #70

The act might be worse than Zimmerman but these people had video uponit7771 Feb 2014 #35

there's no question Zimmerman provoked, too Skittles Feb 2014 #82

Can anyone give, or direct me to, a summary of the evidence on whether Davis got out? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #39

From what I understand Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #48

ME said Davis shot in car riverwalker Feb 2014 #54

Thanks - if he was shot in the car, then the 'imminent threat' wasn't there muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #58

2-3 jurors said "he was afraid, so he was justified" geek tragedy Feb 2014 #55

there isn't a summary accept maybe the closing arguments TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #79

3 Jurors out of 12 is 25%, which is a percentage we all have heard about before. John1956PA Feb 2014 #49

Um, isn't that what "hung jury" means? Courtesy Flush Feb 2014 #57

Whole buncha people here were right and I was wrong. Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #59

FWIW I wanted you to be right and me be wrong, I've just given up after Zimmerman uponit7771 Feb 2014 #63

Impossible: Many very knowledgeable DU lawyers insisted that it was Murder 1 v Murder 2!!! alcibiades_mystery Feb 2014 #64

How many accusations of profiling jurors as racists did you see here? bettyellen Feb 2014 #65

There was an unsurprising confluence between those arguing that the jury was deadlocked alcibiades_mystery Feb 2014 #66

I think a few believed it was sooo clear cut that they thought bettyellen Feb 2014 #67

+1, and these people are MIA for this thread uponit7771 Feb 2014 #69

Amen uponit7771 Feb 2014 #68

it was obvious, and those of us who said "racists seeing it as justified" were geek tragedy Feb 2014 #75

I held out hope (it was obviously dashed) etherealtruth Feb 2014 #88