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In reply to the discussion: What the Mainstream Media isn't telling you about the situation in Kiev. [View all]kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)32. McCaincer standing next to NeoNazi leader Oleh Tyahnybok
You know you got a Nazi problem when even Bidniss publications like BusinessInsider start to notice it.
U.S. Senator John McCain, center, speaks as Democratic senator from the state of Connecticut, Chris Murphy, second left, and Opposition leader Oleh Tyahnybok, right, stand around him during a Pro-European Union rally in Independence Square in Kiev, Ukraine, Sunday, Dec. 15, 2013.
"Nowadays Svoboda (which means freedom in Ukrainian) is one of those reconstructed modern European far right parties it is aligned with the British National Party and the French National Front, for example and it has gained some kind of electoral legitimacy, winning 10 percent of the seats in Ukraine's parliament in 2010."
"However, the party's past is seriously murky. When it was founded in 1995, the party called itself the Social-National Party of Ukraine (SNPU), and it had a swastika-like logo. While it eventually split from its more right wing members, the party remained focused on celebrating Ukrainian ethnic identity in opposition to Russia and Communism."
"Tyahnybok himself was expelled from the Our Ukraine parliamentary faction in 2004 after giving a speech demanding that Ukrainians fight against a "Muscovite-Jewish mafia" (he later clarified this by saying that he actually had Jewish friends and was only against to "a group of Jewish oligarchs who control Ukraine and against Jewish-Bolsheviks [in the past]" . In 2005 he wrote open letters demanding Ukraine do more to halt "criminal activities" of "organized Jewry," and, even now, Svoboda openly calls for Ukrainian citizens to have their ethnicity printed onto their passports."
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MattSh
Feb 2014
OP
Agreed. For one, there's an analysis of what joining the EU does to the country, but not a
okaawhatever
Feb 2014
#43
Don't polls show that a plurality of Ukrainians prefer a closer association with the EU rather than
pampango
Feb 2014
#9
"A poll conducted October 2-15, 2013 by GfK Ukraine showed three times as many Ukrainians favoring
pampango
Feb 2014
#24
The "3-to-1 slam-dunk" I presented clearly compared those favoring an EU agreement (44%) to those
pampango
Feb 2014
#66
That's your interpretation. I posted the actual poll results which shows that less than 50% support
pampango
Feb 2014
#72
Deflection is apparently a two-way street. You're not contradicting anything I posted.
pampango
Feb 2014
#80
But, clocks! And I rec'd it for the part prior to the Father of Reaganomics there... n/t
freshwest
Feb 2014
#38
Quite frankly, if you want to argue against someone who is arguing that a protest is fascist
Fred Sanders
Feb 2014
#12
You have to understand I have family members who have been involved in the protests.
Tommy_Carcetti
Feb 2014
#22
Thailand, Venezuela and Ukraine protestors ALL cite "corruption" to overthrow recently elected
Fred Sanders
Feb 2014
#27
Exactly my point. It is also well documented in Thailand and Venezuela and in Egypt, but the
Fred Sanders
Feb 2014
#29
It's documented in the US government too. Tell me a government that doesn't have well documented
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#47
You are quite possibly the most insufferable (jerk) I have met in all my years at DU.
Tommy_Carcetti
Feb 2014
#84
Shoot. I can't get it to load. Don't know what's wrong. Is it for subscribers only? n/t
freshwest
Feb 2014
#40
Thank you for some much needed information and for the other posts on this thread..
mountain grammy
Feb 2014
#19
+1. The only protesters who aren't 1) ignored or 2) framed as lawless malcontents are the ones the
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#48
informative thread. I have another viewpoint to share because I know nothing about this situation.
libdem4life
Feb 2014
#35
No -- sometimes things get worse. Witness Iraq; witness the mafia state of Kosovo; etc.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#50
Thank you, another one of our and our Western Imperial Allies' 'proxy wars'. Hillary explained it
sabrina 1
Feb 2014
#58
You're ignoring the elephant in the room of ethnic Ukranian nationalism.
Spider Jerusalem
Feb 2014
#64