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72. don't help anyone.

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Wed Feb 19, 2014, 03:36 PM

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White knights set back equality for the genders [View all] Harmony Blue Feb 2014 OP

Wow. DURHAM D Feb 2014 #1

it smacks of a Libertarian Philosophy if you ask me. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #3

Check this out. DURHAM D Feb 2014 #9

but don't accuse them of objectifying, otherwise geek tragedy Feb 2014 #13

omg. are you fucking kidding me ;;; Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #17

The flames they volunteer to walk through are those of imaginary dragons. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #2

Gee... The 'mens' group leader claiming misogyny does not exist... Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #25

totally a suprise to see the DU Men's Rights group supporting talking geek tragedy Feb 2014 #36

There's no such thing as a "DU men's rights group". lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #47

Are strawmen the best kind of company? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #55

Then please elaborate... Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #58

That DU isn't safe enough for "the fairer sex". lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #87

Warren Stupidity's thread got 168 recs at last count, do all of those people geek tragedy Feb 2014 #101

Maybe you should just read what's written. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #121

no, you're spinning the "misogyny is too common here let's stop it" complaint in geek tragedy Feb 2014 #127

So... Only members of the oppressed group should fight for their rights? Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #106

Equality is the only valid destination. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #113

That is a nice catch phrase but is has nothing to do with what I asked Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #118

It's not a catch phrase, it's an overriding principle. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #125

Who else should I not support? LGBT? AA? The poor? Should I only support white males as you do? Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #126

You don't support issues. You rarely argue issues at all. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #131

Again... You avoid the question... Who else should not be supported? Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #136

In general, I try to argue ideas. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #144

Mixing and matching stats neither proves your point or explains the contradiction of your MRA stance Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #147

I don't care who you support. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #148

As I thought... Number in prison, not commiting crime... Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #155

The ellipsis don't improve readability. Or logic. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #158

Ahhh... We get to the heart. Why do you not include women? No injustice there? Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #160

If your only tool is the personal attack... lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #183

bwahahahaha... Only being an MRA is liberal... You are funny Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #189

You mean this article? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #191

No, some of the others Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #193

Most of the HoF women are big Obama supporters (or several high profile ones are) arely staircase Feb 2014 #184

and we only get there by DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #177

Results of your Jury Service LittleBlue Feb 2014 #138

I get mail. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #139

I've never met this White Knight. bravenak Feb 2014 #4

He does exist, bravenak. Really. BainsBane Feb 2014 #85

Be still my beating heart!! A Knight of yore! bravenak Feb 2014 #102

I like Knights in White Satin Whisp Feb 2014 #120

That is a lovely song. bravenak Feb 2014 #140

heh, the DU MRAs will love this post. anyone who sides with feminists against them is a geek tragedy Feb 2014 #5

+1 redqueen Feb 2014 #7

curled up, cornered, corralled. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #20

I dunno, the men's rights creeps seem to be multiplying. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #22

wonder How They got That Idea .... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #24

adverse selection. unless you actively discourage them, they geek tragedy Feb 2014 #32

Give 'em an Inch and they'll take a Mile. Yep! Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #38

Let the camel get his nose into the tent, and before you know it, tblue37 Feb 2014 #146

So true. DURHAM D Feb 2014 #26

Not really multiplying, JoeyT Feb 2014 #179

I can't imagine anything as suffocating as relying on polly7 Feb 2014 #6

This should be a fitting video for this thread snooper2 Feb 2014 #8

Because no man in his right mind would be a feminist NuclearDem Feb 2014 #10

That's not what was said at all. polly7 Feb 2014 #16

It's exactly what the whole stupid white knight meme is about. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #23

perfectly stated. Thank you!! boston bean Feb 2014 #29

Oh don't even talk to me about "gender traitor" being used here. polly7 Feb 2014 #30

where have you observed feminists "who see the need to rely" on men? nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #37

Where have you observed I said that 'feminists' need to rely on men? nt. polly7 Feb 2014 #39

okay where have you observed this alleged phenemenon of white knights? nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #41

'White knights' .... polly7 Feb 2014 #44

i would say white knights are those folks trying to save others from things - like SI covers The Straight Story Feb 2014 #89

Which is why I tend to stay out of those kinds of discussions. Or have recently anyhow. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #150

So then what do you suggest male feminist allies do? NuclearDem Feb 2014 #46

Sorry, I stopped calling myself a feminist a long time ago after seeing all the polly7 Feb 2014 #49

Wait, I'm terribly confused. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #60

I've never said a word about 'supporting the feminist movement as a man', polly7 Feb 2014 #74

That's what this all boils down to... Old and In the Way Feb 2014 #178

This is how they get men to not vocally support feminist issues. boston bean Feb 2014 #51

Looking in a mirror are you boston bean? nt. polly7 Feb 2014 #53

No, I'm typing on a progressive democratic discussion board. boston bean Feb 2014 #54

No, you're stating there are women 'MRA' supporters here. polly7 Feb 2014 #56

me,winky winky crap...never... boston bean Feb 2014 #61

Always. polly7 Feb 2014 #67

I don't have to name them.. boston bean Feb 2014 #68

Do they? polly7 Feb 2014 #78

LOL Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #83

Wow, I didn't know you were an MRA supporter. Fuck. That's surprising. nt. polly7 Feb 2014 #86

Yes polly, you finally exposed me. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #92

Well glad to meet ya Sheldon Cooper, MRA devotee. polly7 Feb 2014 #98

here is one: boston bean Feb 2014 #95

There are crazy people all over the world. polly7 Feb 2014 #99

You think I'm shy? boston bean Feb 2014 #104

No, just totally, completely dishonest and totally invested polly7 Feb 2014 #109

That would be your opinion and interpretation. boston bean Feb 2014 #111

LMAO! polly7 Feb 2014 #112

What allegations? I said there were female MRA's in a post to someone other than you. boston bean Feb 2014 #114

I guess because I've seen you attack (brutally) other women for a long time here, polly7 Feb 2014 #119

OMG, do you not see in yourself what you accuse others of. boston bean Feb 2014 #124

Same old line every time you can't back up your mean, nasty accusations, boston bean. polly7 Feb 2014 #128

What mean and nasty accusations? boston bean Feb 2014 #132

You implied they exist here. If that's a fact, you should have no problem naming and shaming. polly7 Feb 2014 #137

GWW wants to return to the old paradigm of society Harmony Blue Feb 2014 #181

Seriously... are you lot getting paid to post that acronym or something? opiate69 Feb 2014 #142

The MRA has been cited as a hate group by Southern Poverty Law Center... yet, that has not prevented hlthe2b Feb 2014 #180

"THE" MRA? And, no, they didn't. opiate69 Feb 2014 #185

And doesn't stop you from parroting the message. hlthe2b Feb 2014 #186

Where, exactly, have I "parroted" anything? opiate69 Feb 2014 #187

Not worth the time... Those who follow you have seen the posts and the memes. n/t hlthe2b Feb 2014 #188

Ah, how typical..throw out an accusation, then when called on it, opiate69 Feb 2014 #192

Nope.. You want a jury hide from those who call you on your history.I'm not going to give it to you. hlthe2b Feb 2014 #194

Your mind reading powers need recalibration... opiate69 Feb 2014 #196

^^That. Orrex Feb 2014 #52

No man has permission to be a feminist. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #48

I invite all to read the thread. I hope they do! boston bean Feb 2014 #64

You're welcome. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #69

I hope they all click the link and read the thread. Thanks boston bean Feb 2014 #70

No man needs permission to be a feminist. idendoit Feb 2014 #149

I believe in people helping each other. Maedhros Feb 2014 #11

yep. around here some appear to like the bootstrap method. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #21

That is an interesting angle, good post quinnox Feb 2014 #12

there are no such men like that at DU. So, not sure where you're getting this fairy tale geek tragedy Feb 2014 #15

WTF are you even talking about? Maedhros Feb 2014 #28

I'm agreeing with the OP, it doesn't sound like you even read it quinnox Feb 2014 #34

"White Knight" is a term generally associated with MRA groups. Maedhros Feb 2014 #66

I can't speak for the OP. All I can do is post my reaction to it. About the term, "white knight", quinnox Feb 2014 #76

OK. What about this? Maedhros Feb 2014 #80

I have to go now, but my quick impression of what the OP meant by that is quinnox Feb 2014 #93

"men who treat women like they are queens without flaws, and meekly nod their heads in approval Maedhros Feb 2014 #103

Yeah I am pro science Harmony Blue Feb 2014 #165

What could be worse than a man with a political conscience? BainsBane Feb 2014 #117

Most feminists I know and professors in women studies Harmony Blue Feb 2014 #162

Did you think that up all by yourself? n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #14

no, they get it from the big anti-woman hate site avoiceformen.org geek tragedy Feb 2014 #19

why is this crap even allowed on a Democratic, liberal, progessive website? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #42

because DU is infested with misogynists and ergo this stuff never gets hidden. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #43

OK. rest of this reply is self-censored due to Doors. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #45

I don't think "many" is the operative word. nt DURHAM D Feb 2014 #65

Disagree 1awake Feb 2014 #18

codswallop. straight people shouldn't come to the aid of LGBT people cali Feb 2014 #27

+ 1000 seaglass Feb 2014 #40

We should all help each other out where we can. We're mammals, not reptiles. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #152

Yup, everyone can always handle her/his situation by themselves. No need to help each other. HERVEPA Feb 2014 #31

Your input is noted Scootaloo Feb 2014 #33

LOL boston bean Feb 2014 #35

Sorry Boston CFLDem Feb 2014 #130

Word Salad Without Nutrition HangOnKids Feb 2014 #153

Weak sauce CFLDem Feb 2014 #156

It is hard I know HangOnKids Feb 2014 #157

And I'm sure CFLDem Feb 2014 #159

Wrong dear dont have any cats HangOnKids Feb 2014 #161

Well I am drowning CFLDem Feb 2014 #163

PSST you aren't fooling anybody HangOnKids Feb 2014 #164

Lol I am pretty amusing :) CFLDem Feb 2014 #166

3 hides keep going HangOnKids Feb 2014 #167

Hah CFLDem Feb 2014 #168

Keep Going HangOnKids Feb 2014 #169

Stop it CFLDem Feb 2014 #170

WalMart doesn't sell Armani HangOnKids Feb 2014 #171

Hey these Pimp suits CFLDem Feb 2014 #172

You are beyond ridiculous now HangOnKids Feb 2014 #173

I like you too CFLDem Feb 2014 #174

After skimming all of the "white knight" threads here, do you also understand Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #50

Also, he's got it all wrong boston bean Feb 2014 #57

Yes, good point. Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #71

"Yes, men assuming women are incapable of handling their own situations is harmful, sexist twaddle." lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #63

Feminists think that way. n/t Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #73

Presumptuous and frequently untrue. n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #91

Nope, true. Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #100

Using that logical standard then it's accurate to say that feminists believe in the tooth fairy. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #108

Now you know what it feels like to read your "facts" on subjects like IPV. Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #129

Fail. n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #133

Win. n/t Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #135

He got it somewhere, didn't he? BainsBane Feb 2014 #79

So true BainsBane Feb 2014 #59

heh, the excerpted part is boilerplate crap from the MGTOW movement. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #84

The 'men going their own way' sounds like a great thing. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #88

their dating advice discussions are a hoot. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #94

Hold on. If they are "going they own way" BainsBane Feb 2014 #96

they're trying to date. unsuccessfully, for unimaginable reasons nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #105

How unfortunate BainsBane Feb 2014 #110

Who says there is nothing to be greateful for anymore? BainsBane Feb 2014 #90

Opposing the ERA amendment by the White Knights was also for the GOOD OF WOMEN. DURHAM D Feb 2014 #97

A lot of what's been posted around here lately BainsBane Feb 2014 #107

True equality doesn't presume a white knight is a man. berni_mccoy Feb 2014 #62

don't help anyone. El_Johns Feb 2014 #72

Too bad you guys aren't brave enough to say what you're really thinking. Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #75

Exactly! Squinch Feb 2014 #82

True this. DURHAM D Feb 2014 #115

They make themeselves clear enough BainsBane Feb 2014 #134

one white knight threatened a woman here on DU with physical violence Whisp Feb 2014 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Feb 2014 #154

I don't want to return to that era Harmony Blue Feb 2014 #182

Not all PEOPLE can "handle their own situations." Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #77

You're totally right. Unfortunately, I don't know how many people can handle that kind of nuance. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #151

I am not looking at it from an evolutionary point of view Harmony Blue Feb 2014 #175

This really isn't working for you... maybe you could get a hobby or something?.. Squinch Feb 2014 #81

Solidarity is NOT White Knighthood DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #116

and to point to a thread that says my point better than I do DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #123

Thank you. God some people are thick around here. n/t MadrasT Feb 2014 #143

yeah, my dad is a real misogynist fizzgig Feb 2014 #122

Are you kidding? Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #145

This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read on DU Hippo_Tron Feb 2014 #176

hahaha! Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #195

Are you saying that men who are feminists set back equality for the genders? pnwmom Feb 2014 #190