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10. No, what progressives want is a thorough investigation of this whole incident.

Reply to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 08:18 PM

Mar 2012

Yes,we should be open to the possibility that there will be new information that will exonerate Zimmerman. That is theortically possible. But when you have a cop wannabe with a history of violent confrontations who calls the police 50 times in the past year, who ignores police instructions to stop following the "suspect" and who "patrols" with a loaded gun , a kid armed with a can of ice tea ends up dead as a result the police fail to do even a cursory investigation and allow a possible murderer to go home with his weopon, one cannot fail to conclude that no one gives a shit when some bozo kills a 17 year old kid. What progresives also want is for people to stop thinking that just because they are carrying a weopon that it allows them to use it. What progressives want is for people to stop shooting each other.

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In defense of George Zimmerman. [View all] UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2012 OP

Are you perhaps confusing support for the right to a fair trial with 'conservatism'? sikorsky Mar 2012 #1

"without so much as a formal charge" Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #9

Fine, you're willing to convict without a trial. I get it now. sikorsky Mar 2012 #11

The point is we want a trial Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #12

The accused in the case you just posted was arrested and will face trial Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #19

No, I am not mad but the tenor of the discussion clearly indicates a prejudice toward guilt sikorsky Mar 2012 #22

We want a trial. That's all we want Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #26

You're missing the whole point. If Zimmerman was on trial, this would be a non-story. Scuba Mar 2012 #98

It has national media coverage. It will go to trial. Mojorabbit Mar 2012 #89

We just want a trial Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #91

NO! He enumerated eight reasons why this whole mess stinks... TheMadMonk Mar 2012 #30

if this goes to trial and he's found guility with the existing SYG laws in place belcffub Mar 2012 #100

That's not what they wrote, Dude. Th1onein Mar 2012 #53

The Cops screwed up big time in this case. Massive negligence in collecting vital crunch60 Mar 2012 #96

Actually, I think all we want IS a trial Downtown Hound Mar 2012 #109

No, we want a trial, period. EOTE Mar 2012 #114

As the poster said, there is no charge yet. Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #37

Just one correction, the body was not in the morgue for three days. The shooting was on the 26th sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #48

Thank you for the correction Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #81

You rather miss the point that we want him to go to trial. So far he hasn't been charged and that is uppityperson Mar 2012 #20

How can there be a fair trail WHEN CHAIN OF EVIDENCE HAS BEEN COMPROMISED BEYOND belief? Justice wanted Mar 2012 #28

oh look another concerned n00b frylock Mar 2012 #35

Like flies to shit.... morningfog Mar 2012 #46

He can't get a fair trial until he is F***ING ARRESTED scheming daemons Mar 2012 #95

Zimmerman has not been tried nor convicted outside of the metaphorical LanternWaste Mar 2012 #108

sikorsky is no longer with us Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #116

He is innocent until proven guilty in this country. But first, he has to be charged. appleannie1 Mar 2012 #2

No, he's a murderer. Whether he's charged or convicted is irrelevant to that fact. Son of Gob Mar 2012 #6

Absolutely right. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2012 #8

False, actually. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2012 #16

Might be a fact. But until proven in a court of law, it's an unsubstantiated one. /nt TheMadMonk Mar 2012 #32

Steve Holt! DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #56

You're welcome Son of Gob Mar 2012 #59

Well someone has not been paying attention. pennylane100 Mar 2012 #15

First, it has to be investigated to see if there's enough evidence... Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #42

I notice some of those supporting zimmerman are very new to DU.... peacebird Mar 2012 #3

Yup..happens all the time...nt joeybee12 Mar 2012 #4

I am probably one of those "supporters" and I resent that, I don't "support" HIM, I support his sikorsky Mar 2012 #14

Do you want him charge, brought to trial? Simple questions. Please answer. uppityperson Mar 2012 #21

I want a trial if that's the appropriate avenue. I don't know what 'evidence' exists and I don't sikorsky Mar 2012 #33

I have enough deleted posts so you'll just have to UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2012 #50

So can I (imagine), and i have a vivid imagination Dragonfli Mar 2012 #72

"Don't know what evidence exists" my ass. groundloop Mar 2012 #83

Inadmissibility due to broken chain of custody is not in question... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #94

Why don't you Read Post #9. regarding evidence that was "overlooked" crunch60 Mar 2012 #97

I want to see him charged and brought to trial. You seem to think those of us frustrated by the pace peacebird Mar 2012 #25

And some have been lurking in the gungeon for a very long time. baldguy Mar 2012 #17

name NAMES....please!!! Mr. Magoo. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #93

yep. prolly have nra.org email addresses as well frylock Mar 2012 #36

The problem with these posters' positions, even though they may mean well, MoonRiver Mar 2012 #5

I don't think folks are saying he's guilty... KansDem Mar 2012 #7

Speak for yourself. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #23

Congratulations! Straw Man Mar 2012 #113

"You just threw our legal system out the window" 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #115

i'm saying he's guilty.. frylock Mar 2012 #39

No, what progressives want is a thorough investigation of this whole incident. mysuzuki2 Mar 2012 #10

Thank ya! Taverner Mar 2012 #13

Please do not question the motives of people who feel differently than you. TheWraith Mar 2012 #18

If there was something to wait for, people might be more inclined... TheMadMonk Mar 2012 #87

People who would do something like that should be you and you alone Dragonfli Mar 2012 #88

You can be a Heritage Foundation Disciple in love with guns and tax cuts and be Dragonfli Mar 2012 #24

So anyone who disagrees with the things you support... randome Mar 2012 #27

People are "guilty" of being conservatives because they support Conservative assumptions, thoughts Dragonfli Mar 2012 #31

You are so clueless, it's difficult to know how to address you. randome Mar 2012 #40

You do not think that conservative ideas and assumptions are conservative? Dragonfli Mar 2012 #44

Yeah, that doesn't sound personal at all. randome Mar 2012 #65

You took it personally, I was talking about conservatives, It appears part of you identifies as such Dragonfli Mar 2012 #69

What does your father's sexuality have to do with anything? Bluenorthwest Mar 2012 #78

An 'indication', nothing more, that I would have more in common... randome Mar 2012 #85

What Dragonfli said. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2012 #52

Your hate of OWS brought you in. Hilarious! morningfog Mar 2012 #47

Another Black-and-Whiter heard from. randome Mar 2012 #66

Far from it. You should reread the OP. morningfog Mar 2012 #99

Guys! Look! Over here! randome Mar 2012 #101

When you post are you anti-union? Anit-OWS? Pro-Zimmerman? morningfog Mar 2012 #102

This is petty bickering between us. randome Mar 2012 #103

Respectfully, you dodged. This thread is about conservative postings on DU. morningfog Mar 2012 #104

No, you don't. But head on over to Freeperville and you'll have plenty. lib_wit_it Mar 2012 #110

"Innocent until proven guilty" is for frogmarch Mar 2012 #29

I sincerely hope you are never on a jury. sikorsky Mar 2012 #34

If I ever am, then frogmarch Mar 2012 #38

Stand Your Ground is the law Really people... Mar 2012 #41

Zimmerman is outside of that law...says the writer of the bill KeepItReal Mar 2012 #45

You should be ashamed. morningfog Mar 2012 #49

and here's another one.. frylock Mar 2012 #51

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #57

You've lost your way In life... DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #58

I lost it long ago! Really people... Mar 2012 #61

Let's hope your stay is a short one. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2012 #62

Lol Really people... Mar 2012 #64

Yes, they are often called sociopaths, look up the word. /nt Dragonfli Mar 2012 #67

I can see that. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2012 #70

No, You haven't lost everything till you lose your soul... DianaForRussFeingold Mar 2012 #74

I generally support the SYG laws, and feelings have nothing to do with SYG. aikoaiko Mar 2012 #68

If he felt a black teenager walking quietly through the neighborhood was a threat to his life, he uppityperson Mar 2012 #73

In the years I've been reading and posting here... EmeraldCityGrl Mar 2012 #86

PPR'd. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #90

Since when is stalking and killing an innocent unarmed kid the law? lonestarnot Mar 2012 #92

in answer to your question: KG Mar 2012 #43

We appear to both not realize how conservatism is but one shade of progressiveness Dragonfli Mar 2012 #55

This progressive board tolerates extreme right wing positions on gun infatuation. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #54

Bullseye. Paladin Mar 2012 #107

what if they are only one of those? Kali Mar 2012 #60

Yes. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2012 #63

the maths don't work! Kali Mar 2012 #71

Seeing that the Democratic party has moved so far to the right, Quantess Mar 2012 #75

You put that very well, better by far than my attempts, simple and indisputable. Dragonfli Mar 2012 #77

Thanks! Quantess Mar 2012 #80

Perhaps the President should just put his name on the "kill by drone strike" list MNBrewer Mar 2012 #76

Makes as much sense as Zimmerman's "kill by gun strike", he also solved his goals sans Due Process Dragonfli Mar 2012 #79

Yeah, I'd be afraid of Holder if I were him. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2012 #82

Well, there ya go! He has the right to defend himself against Holder, by shooting if he wants Dragonfli Mar 2012 #84

There needs to be an independent investigation and a trial. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #105

I own a gun (several, in fact), and would use it in self defense. Bake Mar 2012 #106

That's how I feel but he has to be arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #112

I see a difference between knowing in my arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #111