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TorchTheWitch

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79. there isn't a summary accept maybe the closing arguments
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 07:54 PM
Feb 2014

Though the closing arguments don't specify anything very specific really about what evidence showed that. You really have to watch the whole trial to be able to figure out what various bits of evidence showed that Davis never got out of the car. Dunn gave many different stories about Davis and his getting out of the car, what he said about that on the stand, what he said during his interrogation and what he said in his letters written while in jail which would need to be untangled and figure out what all that means. There was no independent witness that saw the entire encounter, but what each one was able to testify to covered almost all of it.

For me there was many pieces of compelling evidence that proved Davis never got out of the car with the child locks being engaged so he wasn't able to open his own door maybe being the most compelling. Had the driver been in the car at the time that Dunn said that Davis got out of the car it wouldn't be all that compelling since the driver had access to those controls and knew how to use them. But at that time the driver was not yet back in the car. Tevin was in the passenger seat in the front and could have disengaged the child locks so that Davis could get out, but Davis would have needed to ask him to do that, and Dunn says there was nothing said about disengaging the child locks. This would have also been only the first or second time that Tevin had ever been in the car, and I believe him when he said he didn't know how to disengage the child locks (I wouldn't know that either). All the surviving boys testified that as they went from here to there during their evening that any time they wanted to open their doors to get out the driver had to disengage the child locks or even get out of the car himself and go open someone's door from outside the car.

For me it's Dunn's continually changing story about Davis getting out of the car with a gun and at what point he fired the shots according to what Davis was doing (out of the car, partially out of the car, in the process of getting back in the car... Dunn changed his story claiming every scenario). Dunn knows exactly what happened and he wouldn't have multiple stories about what Davis was doing and what position he was in according to the car when he fired the gun... it's the fact that with every new piece of evidence Dunn learned that his story changed to try to accommodate that evidence. It's just impossible for me to understand how anyone can look at all that evidence and not see Dunn as a total liar concerning what he believed, all that he claimed and what actually occurred.

You really just have to watch the whole trial to piece together all the evidence. Every case is like a puzzle, and you have to weigh all the various pieces of evidence on their own and put them together to come up with a picture of the whole incident and what happened.

Whatever Dunn's claims are and how many different stories he has about whether or not Davis ever got out of the car the physical evidence is clear as a bell that Davis was back in the car with the door shut when he was shot. Even if he had gotten out of the car at some point as Dunn claimed he did, the threat left when he got back in the car not having done anything physically threatening to Dunn. Though a person may still be in fear of their life in such a situation (had it been what really happened) the law says that you can't shoot or otherwise retaliate when the threatening person has retreated, and Davis having gotten back into the car without having done anything to Dunn other than verbally, the threat had legally left. I just can't figure out with all the evidence there was both physical and circumstantial how anyone could believe that at any time Davis got out of the car, but it shouldn't matter if he did or not because at the time Dunn fired at him he even said that Davis was getting back into the car or was already back in with the door open meaning that Davis was in retreat.

By the physical evidence alone both Davis's body and the rounds that went through the car door that hit him there is just no question that Davis was seated inside the car facing forward with both feet on the floor in the foot-well with the door shut when he was shot. The ballistics are clear, the plastic bits the bullets blasted out of the interior of the door are clear, and the ME did a great job of explaining how Davis was seated in the car with the door shut when he was hit.

Again, I think you just really have to take the time to watch the trial. Croakerqueen123 has it all on her page on YouTube. Though it would take a lot of time, a lot of stuff you can skip over and still understand all the evidence, what it means and piece it all together. There is just a boat load of various evidence that more than sufficiently proves this or that aspect some by itself but more so when fit together.

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Yep. That's what I figured. kcr Feb 2014 #1
What is with editing/journalism these days? BlueCheese Feb 2014 #3
Eminent - love that dude Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #38
it's a put on. dionysus Feb 2014 #45
I believe much of editing / "journalism" has been offshored Skittles Feb 2014 #83
Remember how we got lectured for geek tragedy Feb 2014 #6
Yep - I sure do remember that. . . JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #52
one person--demwing--did, and he was very gracious about it. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #53
+1 Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #61
So self defense by some jurors AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #73
for the jurors who thought it was reasonable for him to pump geek tragedy Feb 2014 #74
"It said if he believed that he had an eminent threat to himself or his fiancee, so that was a thing JI7 Feb 2014 #2
As was obvious to those of us paying attention. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #4
Imminent not eminent Fumesucker Feb 2014 #5
Floriduh juries presume dead black kids guilty. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #7
only 3 jurors bought the self-defense argument. woolldog Feb 2014 #8
I figured it was a lone racist idiot. So I'm disappointed. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #9
or do a better job in jury selection woolldog Feb 2014 #10
part of the defense strategy was to make sure to get some racists on the jury JI7 Feb 2014 #12
The Jury Instructions Did Not Use "Reasonable" DallasNE Feb 2014 #21
Not true. woolldog Feb 2014 #44
The Jury Instructions Are Conflicting. DallasNE Feb 2014 #76
I would assume that whether the killing is "justified" woolldog Feb 2014 #78
Yeah, Dumbass Dunn was so "frightened".. Cha Feb 2014 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #50
This is what I suspected. bravenak Feb 2014 #13
EXACTLY!! SkyDaddy7 Feb 2014 #16
That is some terrible stuff. bravenak Feb 2014 #18
Florida should be held in perjury of the Constitution which promises the government will provide for world wide wally Feb 2014 #14
Data link? Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #56
Here is the link where I read the information world wide wally Feb 2014 #84
Thanks. Great link. Many thoughts. Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #85
On promotion Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #86
Jury Instructions Are Often Key To Understanding A Verdict DallasNE Feb 2014 #15
Isn't "beyond a reasonable doubt" the standard for the prosecution, not the defense? Bazinga Feb 2014 #26
Correct - Should Have Said "Reasonable Fear" Rather than "Reasonable Doubt" DallasNE Feb 2014 #72
When you're on a jury you sometimes must make decisions you disagree with... Kablooie Feb 2014 #17
there is no honest, intelligent interpretation of a guy yelling at kids in a car and then shooting geek tragedy Feb 2014 #20
Your right that the jurors had to be prejudiced. Kablooie Feb 2014 #51
problem is, all it takes is a couple of gun humping racist cowards on the jury Skittles Feb 2014 #81
You don't have to make decisions you disagree with NobodyHere Feb 2014 #32
Read up on your rights as a Juror. rgbecker Feb 2014 #71
That figures davidpdx Feb 2014 #19
So, if he had not shot at the fleeing van, he might have walked? Jeebus. Hoyt Feb 2014 #22
which it looks like Dunn can appeal can't he uponit7771 Feb 2014 #37
won't be successful and he's run out of money to hire a lawyer nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #62
I don't like anyone calling it the Loud Music trial. Calling it B Calm Feb 2014 #23
Can we stop with the gray box? CANDO Feb 2014 #24
'The gray box' is DU's standard 'excerpt' function muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #40
Thanks for the reply... CANDO Feb 2014 #80
I'm afraid to say gollygee Feb 2014 #25
Glad the juror spoke so we know why they hung. morningfog Feb 2014 #27
Worse than alsame Feb 2014 #28
I imagined one .... etherealtruth Feb 2014 #87
This still doesn't make sense mythology Feb 2014 #29
there were two sets of shots dsc Feb 2014 #46
He fired 10 shots in all Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #60
there were actually three sets of shots TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #77
because Dunn shot into the vehicle as it was fleeing. SD clearly could not be applied at that point. magical thyme Feb 2014 #47
This is WORSE than Zimmerman uponit7771 Feb 2014 #30
No they are the same. Fearful white men, shoot and murder innocent B Calm Feb 2014 #31
At least with Zimmerman there alsame Feb 2014 #33
Again, if GZ hadn't stalked his victim, there wouldn't be a gun and there B Calm Feb 2014 #34
Yeap that's my issue worth Zimmerman was the stalking.... FL a is uponit7771 Feb 2014 #36
Oh, I absolutely agree with alsame Feb 2014 #41
nah black kids don't need a weapon just existence to a gun nut uponit7771 Feb 2014 #42
And to 3 alsame Feb 2014 #43
... to a "gun nut" and Florida juries etherealtruth Feb 2014 #70
The act might be worse than Zimmerman but these people had video uponit7771 Feb 2014 #35
there's no question Zimmerman provoked, too Skittles Feb 2014 #82
Can anyone give, or direct me to, a summary of the evidence on whether Davis got out? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #39
From what I understand Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #48
ME said Davis shot in car riverwalker Feb 2014 #54
Thanks - if he was shot in the car, then the 'imminent threat' wasn't there muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #58
2-3 jurors said "he was afraid, so he was justified" geek tragedy Feb 2014 #55
there isn't a summary accept maybe the closing arguments TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #79
3 Jurors out of 12 is 25%, which is a percentage we all have heard about before. John1956PA Feb 2014 #49
Um, isn't that what "hung jury" means? Courtesy Flush Feb 2014 #57
Whole buncha people here were right and I was wrong. Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #59
FWIW I wanted you to be right and me be wrong, I've just given up after Zimmerman uponit7771 Feb 2014 #63
Impossible: Many very knowledgeable DU lawyers insisted that it was Murder 1 v Murder 2!!! alcibiades_mystery Feb 2014 #64
How many accusations of profiling jurors as racists did you see here? bettyellen Feb 2014 #65
There was an unsurprising confluence between those arguing that the jury was deadlocked alcibiades_mystery Feb 2014 #66
I think a few believed it was sooo clear cut that they thought bettyellen Feb 2014 #67
+1, and these people are MIA for this thread uponit7771 Feb 2014 #69
Amen uponit7771 Feb 2014 #68
it was obvious, and those of us who said "racists seeing it as justified" were geek tragedy Feb 2014 #75
I held out hope (it was obviously dashed) etherealtruth Feb 2014 #88
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