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47. Just so people understand how useless the jury system is on this website...

Wed Feb 19, 2014, 08:47 PM

Feb 2014

I think you're right
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4530430

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

Calling feminists on this board prudes?

Are you fucking kidding me? This is trolling in its purist form.

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A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed Feb 19, 2014, 07:44 PM, and voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Offense to the term prudes, but the rest is just opinion and not directed at any one individual, so it doesn't meet the personal attack standards.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: These bullshit attacks on feminists need to stop. "Prudes" is over the top. And go away.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: alert is bogus
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I am sick of these gender wars, I think there are prudes on this site, but I also think there are misogynists who are purposely trying to antagonize. This post does seem antagonistic so I am voting to hide.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's a valid opinion, not stated in a rude or hurtful way. Alerting on it is an attempt to control someone's opinion, and hence, the conversation.

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Are there women here who are not offended by the SI cover or Kate Upton's spread? [View all] fried eggs Feb 2014 OP

Not me. AngryAmish Feb 2014 #1

are you talking about the images themselves? Or the response to them in GD on DU? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #2

If not being offended... liberalmuse Feb 2014 #3

If anything it makes your viewpoint CFLDem Feb 2014 #4

They'll probably start ten threads about this one Union Scribe Feb 2014 #12

I just sort of rolled my eyes, to be honest. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #5

+1 Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #37

I don't think you're taking them nearly seriously enough. seattledo Feb 2014 #165

Stopping what? leftynyc Feb 2014 #188

Please, elaborate. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #256

Okay I'm with you on your assessment 1awake Feb 2014 #197

Me. I'm far more offended with the media depicting mops, vacuum cleaners Cleita Feb 2014 #6

Excellent point. Some of the most destructive/offensive stuff flies under the radar. NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #15

Exactly, what I mean. n/t Cleita Feb 2014 #24

What's offensive about that? woolldog Feb 2014 #85

Excuse me..... A HERETIC I AM Feb 2014 #95

I do. RC Feb 2014 #105

hubby does all the shopping. mopinko Feb 2014 #107

My husband buys all that stuff at our house. He worked in hardware until he retired. Shrike47 Feb 2014 #110

There's aiming at the right consumers, and then there's reinforcing tired stereotypes... nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #125

Think about the men you know... woolldog Feb 2014 #126

As much time as the women I know. That is, the men I know pull their weight. Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #152

I'm male. Feral Child Feb 2014 #210

If I just mopped the floor I would be too. What offends me is all the purple The Straight Story Feb 2014 #26

That ad annoys me. The perfect mom fried eggs Feb 2014 #55

yeah, what you said. nt laundry_queen Feb 2014 #104

Totally analogous to how unrealistic beauty standards affect people, psychologically. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #128

+1! Scootaloo Feb 2014 #153

I disagree leftynyc Feb 2014 #189

It's not the mere existence of very attractive people. It's how they're promoted as the only nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #191

I don't know ANY men leftynyc Feb 2014 #194

I think there are worthy issues to be raised, but yeah, this particular DU controversy nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #195

The fact that you think there are ..... oldhippie Feb 2014 #219

I had to read that 3 times leftynyc Feb 2014 #230

I was thinking that ..... oldhippie Feb 2014 #233

Hey -- look on the bright side! She most certainly is barefoot.... MADem Feb 2014 #164

While I agree with you over all 1awake Feb 2014 #198

Have you ever mopped with shoes on? Not recommended. mattclearing Feb 2014 #259

What the hell is destructive about that ad? Tumbulu Feb 2014 #280

Thanks for this. Great points. n-t Logical Feb 2014 #98

But it's the same thing. Scootaloo Feb 2014 #136

Well, you are not being influenced and most thinking people wouldn't be. Cleita Feb 2014 #140

Yes, men are also objectified. Scootaloo Feb 2014 #141

I agree. White men are swimming in privilege. It's well known. Cleita Feb 2014 #142

Of course you don't; is that even an argument? Scootaloo Feb 2014 #143

I think we should have venues where we all go naked like Cleita Feb 2014 #147

And again, it's not a commentary about hte models, but rather about society Scootaloo Feb 2014 #149

Well society is what it is and it displays a lot of warts and ugliness at times. n/t Cleita Feb 2014 #150

So shrug and walk away saying "oh well"? Scootaloo Feb 2014 #151

False equivalency. Cleita Feb 2014 #154

Two things I JUST SAID. Scootaloo Feb 2014 #156

It's not that they're not to scale, it's that you're comparing apples to quantum physics. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #277

And still, you intentionally don't get it Scootaloo Feb 2014 #282

Sure Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #283

are you serious Cleita? Tumbulu Feb 2014 #276

I live in a beach area and women in swim suits, seemingly dancing and Cleita Feb 2014 #285

You seriously do not see the difference between regular women wearing swimsuits and that cover from Tumbulu Feb 2014 #286

I really have nothing against porn as long Cleita Feb 2014 #287

Bye Cleita, hoping we get more rain Tumbulu Feb 2014 #288

There is nothing wrong with disagreement as long as we respect each other. Cleita Feb 2014 #290

Oh it is not too late at all, it will make a huge Tumbulu Feb 2014 #291

The pics are okay but GD isn't the place for centerfold photos CJCRANE Feb 2014 #7

Kate Upton's spread ? dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #8

I can't believe it's not butter. Nt awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #122

I'm offended that DUers think it's OK to post them here eShirl Feb 2014 #9

I don't care one way or the other. Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #10

:hugs: WillyT Feb 2014 #28

And back at you, WillyT. Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #56

I'm a woman who couldn't care less Demobrat Feb 2014 #11

On my list of outrages - Old and In the Way Feb 2014 #13

The thing I don't get is woolldog Feb 2014 #14

i deal with swimsuit models sometimes JI7 Feb 2014 #16

All women are grossed out Demobrat Feb 2014 #21

yes that is right, but sometimes people use them doing things like posing in a bikini JI7 Feb 2014 #27

The same idiots Demobrat Feb 2014 #42

yes, i'm sure they would do the same to those who are fully clothes JI7 Feb 2014 #51

The SI cover didn't offend LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #17

There are feminists who find sexuality offensive? Feminists here were calling out objectification, redqueen Feb 2014 #46

Objectification? Cleita Feb 2014 #181

It's sad when women repeat misogynist right wing talking points. redqueen Feb 2014 #200

That last comment was really out of line theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #223

"some groups find sexuality offensive" fried eggs Feb 2014 #48

I hope you repented. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #70

I don't know if it's that, honestly. I don't find sex or even sexual imagery offensive at all nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #129

"Sexuality" encompasses a lot more than just the act of intercourse. LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #161

Well? What do you think? Are you a feminist? kcr Feb 2014 #18

I think I am. My version of feminism involves equal pay and opportunity fried eggs Feb 2014 #52

Okay. I think most who object to the GD posts would say the same thing. kcr Feb 2014 #64

Your answer really helped! fried eggs Feb 2014 #68

How about this: If you are working in Elizabeth Warren's office, and you publicly post a T&A Squinch Feb 2014 #84

And how is this different? fried eggs Feb 2014 #97

I don't think it has to be only serious topics, Squinch Feb 2014 #99

For me it's about context kcr Feb 2014 #114

I think you're right JJChambers Feb 2014 #19

This is an anonymous posting board....how can you devine anyone's gender (with some exceptions)? Old and In the Way Feb 2014 #29

You must not travel much. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #32

Enough.... Old and In the Way Feb 2014 #36

Maybe it's the places you travel to that are the problem. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #38

Do you suggest I travel to, say, Saudia Arabia, for inspiration Old and In the Way Feb 2014 #44

You're 61 years old. If you haven't encountered a rainbow spectrum of feminists at your age... Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #53

Amazing, isn't it? Old and In the Way Feb 2014 #57

You've undoubtedly met thousands. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #62

I've met a few in real life Art_from_Ark Feb 2014 #146

That must of been just awful for you. Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #158

Au contraire Art_from_Ark Feb 2014 #168

Sorry. Forgot the sarcasm tag. But big giant kudos to you for you to sticking with your Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #172

Yes, I made a valiant effort to use the word "middlemen" in my lecture Art_from_Ark Feb 2014 #176

And know doubt, being called on it, has scarred you for life. Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #180

Yes, those silly women for labeling me a "misogynist", Art_from_Ark Feb 2014 #184

I travel a lot, and I am with you--I've never met a soul like that in person. MADem Feb 2014 #166

I think you are on to something, MADem.... Old and In the Way Feb 2014 #167

Heh...sounds like a plan! Either option--the PICS solution or the "Ban All Gender Discussions" one! MADem Feb 2014 #169

crab and carp? Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #171

Would you like the cole slaw with that? MADem Feb 2014 #173

That totally sounds like something you'd eat in New England. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #179

Yeah--I must say, the seafood is a plus when it comes to this neck of the woods! MADem Feb 2014 #182

Stop, just stop. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #185

Now that's good eatin'!! nt MADem Feb 2014 #186

No way, man. I'm all about "Weird News", these days. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #170

Weird News is a great group! There's some wild stuff up in there on occasion.... MADem Feb 2014 #174

Oh, now you've done it. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #178

OMG that is the funniest picture I have seen in a long while!! MADem Feb 2014 #183

We don't need another group, just post them all here: seaglass Feb 2014 #201

That wouldn't work, though. MADem Feb 2014 #229

Not sure why you think it wouldn't work because the thread already exists in the Men's Group. seaglass Feb 2014 #237

Because that is a closed group and not everyone has access to it. MADem Feb 2014 #239

Are you looking for a place to fight it out? Because I don't think people are interested in that. seaglass Feb 2014 #245

Actually, I'm looking for a disused corner, accessible to all, where people can throw this shit MADem Feb 2014 #250

The reason you don't see it in the workplace BainsBane Feb 2014 #293

I have encountered a number of them Sen. Walter Sobchak Feb 2014 #281

Why woujld women care about equal rights? BainsBane Feb 2014 #292

Just so people understand how useless the jury system is on this website... Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #47

It really is Exhibit A for a lot of the bullshit that gets flung around here. Though most are more nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #137

I hear you. Pointing out derogatory words only gives them more ammuntion R B Garr Feb 2014 #144

Really? I missed that completely etherealtruth Feb 2014 #67

I may have missed something leftynyc Feb 2014 #190

SI has never claimed that etherealtruth Feb 2014 #192

Here is what Kate Upton had to say about the three ladies on the SI cover The Straight Story Feb 2014 #20

She's objectifying them! Old and In the Way Feb 2014 #30

Lols d_b Feb 2014 #206

Haven't seen it and don't plan to see him malaise Feb 2014 #22

I, for one, couldn't care less about either one. WillowTree Feb 2014 #23

Not being personally offended noamnety Feb 2014 #25

Did the pictures create a hostile environment or the responses to the pictures? fried eggs Feb 2014 #65

Individuals can definitely be sellouts noamnety Feb 2014 #88

Wow. Squinch Feb 2014 #90

+ a million. nt laundry_queen Feb 2014 #109

yeah, i dont give a shit. nt La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2014 #31

I'm too tired from actually fighting for the rights of women to notice the mental masturbation. msanthrope Feb 2014 #33

Offended? No. Chorophyll Feb 2014 #34

+1 Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #39

Very true. Old and In the Way Feb 2014 #41

+1 MadrasT Feb 2014 #45

It's Lounge material theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #226

I think it was mainly posted to goad people into reacting so their posts get hidden R B Garr Feb 2014 #35

I agree. nt Chorophyll Feb 2014 #43

That was my impression too. A Little Weird Feb 2014 #49

I notice there are no outraged " not this shit again" sufrommich Feb 2014 #40

I don't think there are many women here who are offended by that cover per se. pnwmom Feb 2014 #50

Exactly. theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #203

I'm not offended by them at all. peacebird Feb 2014 #54

I'm not at all offended. But it's pretty shallow discussion for a political forum. JaneyVee Feb 2014 #58

Oh please, get over it. tavernier Feb 2014 #59

I'm horribly offended... OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #60

I'm not and babylonsister Feb 2014 #61

My wife... Xolodno Feb 2014 #63

Great post! fried eggs Feb 2014 #160

I could not give a shit less about the SI Swimsuit Edition or the Kate Upton photo shoot. scarletwoman Feb 2014 #66

"But that's not at all what the mindset was behind posting them" DontTreadOnMe Feb 2014 #73

No, I'm a post reader. scarletwoman Feb 2014 #77

The original thread was posted by a woman Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #69

Why exactly does it matter that a woman posted it? I see this point made repeatedly and I honestly seaglass Feb 2014 #204

Because the OP is asking specifically about women's attitudes toward the thing. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #222

My, you've got the script down pat BainsBane Feb 2014 #294

I haven't seen them, but I fully agree there is no reason to post them here. Quantess Feb 2014 #71

None of that bothers me. Women and men can do what they want to do. Autumn Feb 2014 #72

Not offended, but annoyed. Maedhros Feb 2014 #74

My career has been in advertising for the past 35 years;... TeeYiYi Feb 2014 #75

Couldn't care less dorkzilla Feb 2014 #76

Perfect! +1,000,000. polly7 Feb 2014 #80

Honey Badger Feminism! LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #108

I like your answer. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #117

Do you respect the Civil Rights Act of 1964? BainsBane Feb 2014 #78

Are you out of your fucking mind? OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #92

Well, below I said that there were a lot of women here who were not in agreement Squinch Feb 2014 #93

I parsed every single word of your post in every way imaginable. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #94

This thread was an actual discussion among mostly women. They were disagreeing and stating Squinch Feb 2014 #96

Oh, I see. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #100

Not explicitly, no BainsBane Feb 2014 #103

Seems to me... OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #112

When did I say it was an "amen corner." BainsBane Feb 2014 #123

Chin music, chin music, chin music and then... OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #135

I think she's convinced herself pintobean Feb 2014 #118

Not only that, opiate69 Feb 2014 #124

Looks like here cubemate got an unpaid leave. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #138

Lol. pintobean Feb 2014 #139

Do you consider your local grocery store for promoting a hostile environment by openly selling Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #120

That isn't the same thing at all BainsBane Feb 2014 #157

People don't see SI at checkout lanes? Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #163

Or you could just not click on the thread. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #148

Who, precisely, is your employer if DU is your workplace???? msanthrope Feb 2014 #199

Try reading the rest of the subthread BainsBane Feb 2014 #207

Oh...I read the subthread...I still wanna know when you got hired. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #208

Here. perhaps this will help BainsBane Feb 2014 #211

It seems she knows better pintobean Feb 2014 #212

Yup.. and, opiate69 Feb 2014 #213

That line is why I bookmarked the thread. pintobean Feb 2014 #215

"And, lo! There was much consternation and knitting of brows across the land" opiate69 Feb 2014 #274

volunteering here? on behalf of whom? I hate missionaries. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #214

I'd prefer to say that I'm aware of the intent to marginalize feminism in online spaces. LeftyMom Feb 2014 #79

No, but the fact that you appear to lack the empathy Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #81

doesn't bother me RainDog Feb 2014 #82

I also think that people might have an easier time if they didn't interpret "that person looks nice" Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #86

t I want to be sensitive about hostile environments, and whatnot. opiate69 Feb 2014 #102

She's not my type, anyway. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #113

don't take this personally RainDog Feb 2014 #132

Heh Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #133

... RainDog Feb 2014 #134

More like wistful for my youthful body mainer Feb 2014 #83

Nobody is too old to wear a bikini. Which is ONE answer to objectification. Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #162

Exactly. Thank you redqueen Feb 2014 #205

My $0.02 tammywammy Feb 2014 #87

This is actually an interesting question to me. And let me ask YOU a question. Squinch Feb 2014 #89

No. Maybe that's the disconnect I have fried eggs Feb 2014 #106

It is clear that your curiosity is genuine, and since it is finally being discussed civilly, Squinch Feb 2014 #111

My work environments have been 99 to 100% women fried eggs Feb 2014 #115

In some ways, it was a great education about people, and I'm long out of it. Squinch Feb 2014 #119

One other observation: Squinch Feb 2014 #91

Trash. nt valerief Feb 2014 #101

It's all about drama AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #116

Honestly, I started it and after having several days to think about it RiffRandell Feb 2014 #121

Hey- Didja catch the one where you were compared to Phylis Shlafly? Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #193

No, but not surprised. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #196

I'm not bothered by 840high Feb 2014 #127

Didn't bother me in the least. Sissyk Feb 2014 #130

meh. They chose to do it. alphafemale Feb 2014 #131

*yawn* Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #145

I am not one of them. KitSileya Feb 2014 #155

+1 cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #221

Thanks for that. KitSileya Feb 2014 #247

I agree, and I'm a woman definitely not a HoFer. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #252

It does not bother me in itself treestar Feb 2014 #159

It didn't bother me either... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #177

But where they cute? treestar Feb 2014 #202

I don't look at SI Swimsuit exboyfil Feb 2014 #175

I couldn't care less leftynyc Feb 2014 #187

I'm going to make everyone mad. I don't think it should have been posted here AND I dont think it stevenleser Feb 2014 #209

Doesn't make me mad - ever have anything to say about kitty posts in GD? seaglass Feb 2014 #218

I understand just fine. stevenleser Feb 2014 #234

Well, the kitties have never pintobean Feb 2014 #236

LMAO, kitties are always in their birthday suits! nt stevenleser Feb 2014 #238

Okay, you've forced me pintobean Feb 2014 #241

Gaaaaa! No nude cat pics! stevenleser Feb 2014 #249

Your post did not reflect disagreement it reflected not understanding. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #240

No, YOUR most recent post reflected non understanding. Mine reflected disagreement. nt stevenleser Feb 2014 #243

I know you are but what am I. Geez. I feel like I'm in middle school. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #246

I explained to you how I understand but disagree. You seemed to not get it. nt stevenleser Feb 2014 #248

I was speaking of your first post, not your second. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #257

Nussbaum also had this to say RainDog Feb 2014 #284

I don't think anyone was offended by it gollygee Feb 2014 #228

Yes, they were and said as much when they raised the idea of a hostile environment. nt stevenleser Feb 2014 #235

Noting a hostile environment gollygee Feb 2014 #244

That is trying to make way too fine a point of it. nt stevenleser Feb 2014 #253

Your post is spot-on. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #289

You actually believe that people are offended by the pics? Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #216

Yes, it's just doesn't register on my list of things to be offended about. I am offended by sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #217

I guess I'm late to the game. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2014 #220

Near-naked butts pintobean Feb 2014 #224

Good heavens! Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2014 #225

I knew you'd be able to fill in the gaps pintobean Feb 2014 #227

It's like there's nothing else to worry about ... Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2014 #231

The thongs looked like bad wedgies libodem Feb 2014 #255

Me! It's all on me! RiffRandell Feb 2014 #232

And wicked wedgies libodem Feb 2014 #258

Wedgies were so darned uncomfortably. In_The_Wind Feb 2014 #262

No shit libodem Feb 2014 #272

I double objectified because I looked at this: The Straight Story Feb 2014 #260

Shameful. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #261

LOL, you didn't post any discussion. Remember? You just posted pictures. R B Garr Feb 2014 #264

I didn't say I posted a discussion. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #265

You said you wanted "cred" for a spirited discussion, but you didn't discuss anything R B Garr Feb 2014 #266

Go for it! RiffRandell Feb 2014 #267

LOL @ you editing your post to delete that part about being happy you offended me R B Garr Feb 2014 #268

I deleted it prior to your response because you are RiffRandell Feb 2014 #269

Thanks for admitting you were happy you offended me.* It's obvious that's your goal. R B Garr Feb 2014 #270

I really dont see the problem here. Mrdrboi Feb 2014 #242

Not me. Polly Hennessey Feb 2014 #251

As I stare my 63rd birthday in the face a few short weeks from now... 3catwoman3 Feb 2014 #254

I'm not offended. HappyMe Feb 2014 #263

I am 75 years old and have always been a feminist, RebelOne Feb 2014 #271

Word! libodem Feb 2014 #273

They don't count. The only valid "progressive" position on sex and nudity is Rick Santorum's. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #275

not offended at all GRACIEBIRD Feb 2014 #278

I found them demeaning and I also think there is something wrong Tumbulu Feb 2014 #279