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AtheistCrusader

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122. This is absolutely not the direction I was suggesting.

Wed Feb 19, 2014, 10:22 PM

Feb 2014

Fair comparison would be the way the police of the '50's beat black people in the open, in broad daylight, as a form of punishment. That's, I think, part of why the Russia beating these protestors bothers me so much.

Yes, you can be beaten by police in the US, but they have to hide it at least, under the guise of 'stop resisting', etc. And there's a arrest record, and an affidavit by the officer, that identifies the officer, etc.

None of that is present in the Russia video. Those people were beaten like black protestors in the 50's, 60's. No fear. No bother to arrest. They beat them as punishment, which is very disturbing.

I can think of no examples like it in the US during my lifetime. Yes, it has happened, and abuses still happen, but this was a total throwback to civil rights issues 'of old' in the US.

I'm a little annoyed in the direction that my post was taken by other posters. Equivalency or 'don't throw stones' couldn't have been further from my point.

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Pussy Riot Members Beaten in Sochi Public Square [View all] William769 Feb 2014 OP

they brought back the Cossacks? They're gonna pogrom like it's 18-ninety-nine. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #1

+ 1 nt arely staircase Feb 2014 #25

I read the RT " reporting" on this incident sufrommich Feb 2014 #2

RT is the television propaganda arm of Vladimir Putin, himself. It's no secret. MADem Feb 2014 #5

It is to the putinistas here.... Adrahil Feb 2014 #7

Why they wear blinders is the question. MADem Feb 2014 #14

No,it's not subtle at all. It sure has it's sufrommich Feb 2014 #8

Well, they're either naive or "willfully ignorant." MADem Feb 2014 #10

pussy riot attacks bave cossacks? nt arely staircase Feb 2014 #26

Dupe. nt sufrommich Feb 2014 #3

Jesus, those cossacks handle those whips like pre-Civil War slavers! MADem Feb 2014 #4

They refuse to be silenced, under any conditions. William769 Feb 2014 #6

Yes, where is the firearm and the taser and the grenades by men in black masks and military gear.... Fred Sanders Feb 2014 #33

So I take it you support this? William769 Feb 2014 #41

Of course I condemn it, if this is genuine, but before Americans start to throw the first stone Fred Sanders Feb 2014 #43

I have been to many protests and this has never happened to me. William769 Feb 2014 #45

Because it never happened to you means that it never happened to you, good for you..... Fred Sanders Feb 2014 #120

Look, Fred. Sissyk Feb 2014 #121

Why it's Fred -hay there Fred, I see your being Fred as usual ! Wash. state Desk Jet Feb 2014 #124

Hey, hi! Haven't seen you around recently, hope you are doing well uppityperson Feb 2014 #134

Ah yes, Oakland...where a bunch of assholes broke into city hall, stole a flag, set it on fire, and MADem Feb 2014 #150

What is there to understand about someone getting her ass kicked in public? Brickbat Feb 2014 #50

So we shut up because we have problems here? hrmjustin Feb 2014 #53

and our problems are nothing approaching arely staircase Feb 2014 #67

If that's the case... theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #163

what the hell does that have to do with Cossacks whipping musicians? nt arely staircase Feb 2014 #167

Huh? theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #168

possibly arely staircase Feb 2014 #170

Yeah, I think we just got our wires crossed theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #171

I don't quite understand what you are saying. Sissyk Feb 2014 #65

I took your advice and looked in the mirror. Here is what I saw - whopis01 Feb 2014 #126

Say hi to Vladimir for me, now! MADem Feb 2014 #143

They swing them less hard than American police Aerows Feb 2014 #145

Thats what you have to say in this thread? William769 Feb 2014 #147

The concept of beating people nearly to death Aerows Feb 2014 #152

I'm glad you clarified that, Aerows. Sissyk Feb 2014 #157

Sorry that my terse response Aerows Feb 2014 #159

We all do that. Sissyk Feb 2014 #160

Gee....since when are US police equipped with whips, and when did they start whipping MADem Feb 2014 #155

My response Aerows Feb 2014 #158

No worries. MADem Feb 2014 #165

They are very brave and very determined. I don't think they will be safe. tblue37 Feb 2014 #169

Just the mere presence of Cossacks is not nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #9

Well they seem to have made a come back. William769 Feb 2014 #11

Of course they have nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #13

Holy shit treestar Feb 2014 #12

Hell of a way to disrespect a Fender Strat. n/t CincyDem Feb 2014 #56

this country is moving backwards, and all happening during the olympics JI7 Feb 2014 #15

These are the bravest women in the world. I hope the whole world is watching. Happyhippychick Feb 2014 #16

Yes they are! William769 Feb 2014 #17

those who get their news from RT aren't nt arely staircase Feb 2014 #27

The bravest women in the world?? Hardly. El_Johns Feb 2014 #102

Disgusting cretins chrisa Feb 2014 #18

Pussy Riot are brave women! cui bono Feb 2014 #19

Thanks for the links. William769 Feb 2014 #20

You're welcome! cui bono Feb 2014 #58

Nothing like a nice peaceful demonstration. rgbecker Feb 2014 #21

In the US they would have been arrested too. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #22

I'm not sure what your trying to say. William769 Feb 2014 #23

We did send a 83 year old nun to prison for three years for Cleita Feb 2014 #28

And I'm sure they were beaten too? William769 Feb 2014 #39

So you think it's okay to shackle old women in handcuffs Cleita Feb 2014 #69

Yes they have and thats another thread and I'm sure there were many at the time. William769 Feb 2014 #71

What conclusion is that? Cleita Feb 2014 #81

And you expect to be taken seriously with a comment like that. William769 Feb 2014 #84

This is absolutely not the direction I was suggesting. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #122

wtf. Are you seriously saying don't be outraged about anything until "our" issues are all fixed? uppityperson Feb 2014 #131

I said nothing of the sort. Cleita Feb 2014 #135

"we need to clean our house before we clean others"? Please clarify what you mean as it seems you uppityperson Feb 2014 #138

Boy can you twist things. Your rant isn't even worth Cleita Feb 2014 #140

I quote you and ask for clarification and you say I rant? Oh. That is too bad. uppityperson Feb 2014 #141

Game. Set. Match! nt MADem Feb 2014 #156

You have a knack Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #166

Nope, plenty of room for outrage but it doesn't mean much when it is only for others TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #149

I agree but do not see people minimizing bullshit here at home. That is my problem, where is that, uppityperson Feb 2014 #151

The Occupy beat down defenders were sickening. The NSA apologists are strong everyday. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #172

What exactly does that have to do the OP? sheshe2 Feb 2014 #139

Huh? Cleita Feb 2014 #142

That was never my damn point. Not even a little bit. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #144

Terrible, these woman have been through so much. G_j Feb 2014 #148

which is totally like sending in the Cossacks to use whips against musicians. arely staircase Feb 2014 #72

No. It's awful, but the Russians don't have a franchise on Cleita Feb 2014 #78

And yet there was out rage here at the time as their should have been. William769 Feb 2014 #79

I am outraged. What made you think I wasn't? Cleita Feb 2014 #85

Because of everything you have posted so far. William769 Feb 2014 #89

I'm outraged Aerows Feb 2014 #153

right. lets don't condemn Putin so fast arely staircase Feb 2014 #80

Condemn him all you like and all those like him like his buddy George W. Bush. n/ t Cleita Feb 2014 #83

WTF? William769 Feb 2014 #86

I will seek help. It's known as ignore. Cleita Feb 2014 #87

THANK YOU! William769 Feb 2014 #91

You can ignore me too, then. Sissyk Feb 2014 #125

You can ignore me also as well as everyone who is capable of multi-tasking, being outraged at severa uppityperson Feb 2014 #132

Add me to the list, too. MADem Feb 2014 #162

You can add me too. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #164

In the US at least there would have been a charge treestar Feb 2014 #88

How do you know it won't happen? Cleita Feb 2014 #92

Could you go start your own thread fork with that line of logic please? TIA AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #123

Your banging your head against the wall with this one. William769 Feb 2014 #97

Jeez no one said that. No one said that. Cleita Feb 2014 #136

To be clear AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #99

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #114

I can understand it AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #119

seriously. That is like saying liberals should not be upset at bigots as that isn't open minded. uppityperson Feb 2014 #133

I can see how my post was misread. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #137

In that particular instance, they may have been treated a bit more gently. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #95

I'm saying, I'm surprised they weren't also arrested. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #93

The Sochi police (Cossacks is just the nickname) have special limited legal authority to stop all Fred Sanders Feb 2014 #31

Were they beaten with whips? William769 Feb 2014 #37

They were not detained, apples and oranges, but they did not lose their liberty. Fred Sanders Feb 2014 #40

Answer the fucking question and don't change the subject! William769 Feb 2014 #42

The definition might include looking in the mirror, given your temperment matches the definition-sir Fred Sanders Feb 2014 #44

When people get the shit beat out of them for being LGBT William769 Feb 2014 #49

They didn't get the shit beat out of them. And it wasn't for being LGBT. El_Johns Feb 2014 #100

Oh? William769 Feb 2014 #101

You're talking about the video in the OP? I think it's self-evident. El_Johns Feb 2014 #106

No it's not. William769 Feb 2014 #109

And you know this, how? nt sheshe2 Feb 2014 #113

The more I look back I think I made a mistake in mirt. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #57

Well I was right on the money. William769 Feb 2014 #60

Yes you were and still are. Again I am so sorry. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #61

You did what you thought was right at the time. William769 Feb 2014 #62

Thanks! hrmjustin Feb 2014 #63

You usually are, as I recall. Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #111

Thanks. William769 Feb 2014 #112

I think we all did, justin. Sissyk Feb 2014 #127

That is true it can still be corrected. I hope it is soon. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #128

What is your deal? AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #96

The question is what's your deal? Side stepping whats actually happened to harp on something else. William769 Feb 2014 #98

I just explained it. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #104

Could have fooled me. William769 Feb 2014 #105

You might consider asking for clarification before you jump on someone's ass AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #108

I got all the clarification I needed. William769 Feb 2014 #110

I don't know what that means. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #117

I think you meant to take a right turn. Sissyk Feb 2014 #68

I think being terrorized by the 'police' has liberty implications. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #130

yeah cossacks with whips just like here arely staircase Feb 2014 #34

Yes, there is something very..weird about the whole thing.. pangaia Feb 2014 #35

Can you elaborate? William769 Feb 2014 #38

Not really, I wasn't there to really know what was going on... pangaia Feb 2014 #51

well it isn't your usual olympic event nt arely staircase Feb 2014 #76

Are you sure? given that it's in Russia. William769 Feb 2014 #77

What in the holy fuckin' hell!?!?!? one_voice Feb 2014 #24

I can't believe some of the fucking apologists in this thread. William769 Feb 2014 #36

There are two possible answers.... one_voice Feb 2014 #64

really? arely staircase Feb 2014 #70

Don't forget the Homophobic flyers club either. William769 Feb 2014 #75

Compared to the pepper spraying and ARREST of peaceful Occupy protestors in America not too Fred Sanders Feb 2014 #29

Are you excusing it? hrmjustin Feb 2014 #66

Go Pussy Riot! Oh, and good thing Snowden went to Russia to show us how bad the US is. stevenleser Feb 2014 #30

Because we all know American cops are so much better..our cops never break up peaceful protests! davidn3600 Feb 2014 #48

Oh Sure, this is the same thing. No its not. Absolutely no investigation into this will happen. stevenleser Feb 2014 #55

"Suspended with pay pending investigation" davidn3600 Feb 2014 #59

That just disgusting. ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #32

Now that Russian hockey team has done so poorly, Putin says, "It's ON!" Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #46

Those women are so brave! K&R for their protest! (not the fucking goons) nt riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #47

The Pooty Poot is hitting the fan: beat Pussy Riot, lose at Hockey Berlum Feb 2014 #52

Someone needs to do a photoshop animation of Vlad Putin morphing into Joe Stalin LongTomH Feb 2014 #54

No, not Joe, this guy nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #73

"Putin will teach you how to love your Motherland", what a song to repress people to! ck4829 Feb 2014 #74

Since Putin doesn't seem to appreciate Pussy Riot, let's give him some Spike Jones Jack Rabbit Feb 2014 #82

The Russian Taliban lanlady Feb 2014 #90

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #94

Yeah, real tough guys. Despicable! sheshe2 Feb 2014 #103

Get a load of this. William769 Feb 2014 #107

Oh yeah, saw that little gem! sheshe2 Feb 2014 #115

Or who Pussy Riot is. William769 Feb 2014 #116

True, that. Yet to some ignorance is bliss. sheshe2 Feb 2014 #118

Her last account got banned for defending North Korea. LeftyMom Feb 2014 #129

OH, now that rings a bell! treestar Feb 2014 #154

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #146

And if this is how the jackboots are acting now... theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #161