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Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
20. Hmm
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 10:56 AM
Feb 2014

I used the term "gender war" since that seems to have become the accepted term here for the constant barrage of threads concenred with whether X or Y is or isn't sexist/misogynist/misandrist. I do take your point about the connotations of the word though, that's something I hadn't considered.

This isn't specifically about the SI thing. It's more about a seemingly endless stream of threads about... Trying to think of a good way to explain it... You know how conservative Christians are offended by everything? How they're perpetually outraged because they think the world spends as long looking for ways to offend them as they do looking for excuses to be offended? The constant drumbeat of "we're so victimised"? That's how these threads tend to come across. As this self-perpetuating fount of outrage where if you disagree on anything at all, you're instantly labelled sexist/misogynist (see the poster a couple above you). There's also the perception that a lot of responses to these threads come across, rightly or wrongly, as anti-men. Posters feel free to make blanket condemnations of men and if you as a man point out that it isn't true of you, you're condemned for "making it all about you". I'm not going to post examples because now that I need them, I won't be able to find any but I have seen this happen. Of course, as an anonymous poster on a website, you have no reason to believe me, I get that.

These threads don't come off as "discussion". They come off as a place for people to tell each other how outraged they are, post trite "right on!" sayings, engage in simplistic buzzwords about complex problems and condemn anyone who dares to disagree. It comes across like the audience at a witch trial.

Of course, I believe in equality for all. I wouldn't be here if I didn't. And I'm a bisexual Satanist of mixed race, I'd be first on the pyre if the fundiegelicals get their way. But I think a lot of these threads cross the line of becoming more heat and less light, more outrage and condemnation. One I remember started by telling a story about some horrific abuse of a woman and, in the middle of that, suddenly started blaming the whole thing on porn. And instantly, we've gone from sympathising with this poor woman to pushing a pretty radical hobbyhorse and, of course, if you don't agree with that condemnation of porn, you must not sympathise with this woman. There's a point where these threads go from being sharing something for information or sympathy, to just being a bludgeon to beat people who disagree.

Yes, there is still far too much real sexism in the world. Yes, a site like DU should be helping to fight that. But when we have thread after thread about this stuff, somewhere along the line, it stops being about fighting injustice and starts being about finding excuses to feel outraged just for the nice self-righteous feeling it gives you.

Anyway, that was somewhat rambling and I'm not sure it made sense but that's how I'm feeling about it.

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Sometimes the only way to win is not to play the game Fumesucker Feb 2014 #1
... Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #13
Maybe we should play Global Thermonuclear War? Prophet 451 Feb 2014 #23
And another thread that both complains about it and perpetuates it. n/t gollygee Feb 2014 #2
I can't stand the framing "gender war" boston bean Feb 2014 #3
How's that working out for you...? Lost_Count Feb 2014 #4
Actually, I've seen a ton of people Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #5
And then, there is the opposite .... oldhippie Feb 2014 #22
If people support feminism as a principle, that shouldn't be affected by the "tone" of discussions. cyberswede Feb 2014 #24
I support feminism and every other movement towards equality, respect and polly7 Feb 2014 #25
So you don't think "tone" affects people's thinking .... oldhippie Feb 2014 #26
Maybe for people who lack critical thinking skills... cyberswede Feb 2014 #29
... Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #30
AGREED Skittles Feb 2014 #52
Interesting sentiment from an old hippy Scootaloo Feb 2014 #32
Jumping from a general to a specific ..... oldhippie Feb 2014 #39
Not really Scootaloo Feb 2014 #43
No, not really ..... oldhippie Feb 2014 #66
Why don't you simply ignore it? Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #6
I did for a long time Prophet 451 Feb 2014 #7
Well, I guess all I can say then is poor you. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #8
Is that what you do? tkmorris Feb 2014 #41
Yes. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #44
So sorry people (women and men) speaking up for women's right MadrasT Feb 2014 #9
Yes, that's exactly what I was saying Prophet 451 Feb 2014 #10
Bravo, very well said. If you don't agree and dare to have a different opinion your automatically Katashi_itto Feb 2014 #14
Start a thread, people are going to respond kcr Feb 2014 #17
Who called you a misogynist? RBStevens Feb 2014 #28
Don't play that game Prophet 451 Feb 2014 #33
Yes I read what was said. That you chose to summarize RBStevens Feb 2014 #35
"screw you"??? Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #31
Go ahead and alert if you feel the urge Prophet 451 Feb 2014 #34
You were not "accused" of anything. You "chose" to interpret it that way. RBStevens Feb 2014 #38
Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #40
Ah see? But you know "jack" about me RBStevens Feb 2014 #45
Well, for one thing it's not "gender wars" Scootaloo Feb 2014 #36
I explained all of this a couple of posts below Prophet 451 Feb 2014 #37
And demonstrated that you don't get it Scootaloo Feb 2014 #53
I am listening hfojvt Feb 2014 #63
No. This topic needs a quiet period and you know it Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #48
When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Old and In the Way Feb 2014 #55
I don't generally participate in these types of threads justiceischeap Feb 2014 #11
Hmm Prophet 451 Feb 2014 #20
That is bullshit. It is a war. And you are perpetuating it Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #46
How am I perpetuating the war? justiceischeap Feb 2014 #50
So, your answer Feral Child Feb 2014 #56
My answer is exactly what I typed justiceischeap Feb 2014 #57
I read what you typed. Feral Child Feb 2014 #60
Hence my suggestion that it not be treated like a war justiceischeap Feb 2014 #62
I'll agree with that. Feral Child Feb 2014 #64
I've been here since spring 2001 deutsey Feb 2014 #12
Our society is changing Harmony Blue Feb 2014 #15
how long have you been playing Gender Wars? snooper2 Feb 2014 #16
Holy shit! Is that real? Prophet 451 Feb 2014 #21
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #18
wise decision. nt DLevine Feb 2014 #19
I think this is because of the move from moderated forum to juries enforcing community standards. JVS Feb 2014 #27
That's funny. My post title was almost exactly the same Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #42
Count me in on that. In_The_Wind Feb 2014 #47
I didn't know Meta threads weren't allowed Prophet 451 Feb 2014 #49
Oh people post meta threads all of the time Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #51
I wonder if it's because there is no meta forum anymore... Phentex Feb 2014 #54
I do. n/t Feral Child Feb 2014 #58
This issue extends beyond discussions of feminism. Maedhros Feb 2014 #59
Here was my thread Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #61
and we are sick of having to be on the front lines of this war. niyad Feb 2014 #65
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