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lumberjack_jeff

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183. If your only tool is the personal attack...

Thu Feb 20, 2014, 12:17 PM

Feb 2014

... it would behoove you to become more proficient with it by doing even the most cursory research.

Why did you decide you were a liberal? It's not obvious that you hold any principles to bring you here. Fairness? Equity? Justice? They're not principles if you dispense with them whenever the words are used in conjunction with men or some other group with which you're unsympathetic.

Why is poor education of men a good thing? Why is a 5:1 ratio of suicide a good thing? Why is a 12:1 ratio of workplace death a good thing? Why is a 5 year shorter lifespan a good thing? Why is more violent victimization of men a good thing?

And you didn't answer my simple question at all, because, of course, you can't. Women < men therefore I need to protect them like I would crippled people or children is the only principle you appear to hold. They have a word for that: sexism.

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White knights set back equality for the genders [View all] Harmony Blue Feb 2014 OP

Wow. DURHAM D Feb 2014 #1

it smacks of a Libertarian Philosophy if you ask me. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #3

Check this out. DURHAM D Feb 2014 #9

but don't accuse them of objectifying, otherwise geek tragedy Feb 2014 #13

omg. are you fucking kidding me ;;; Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #17

The flames they volunteer to walk through are those of imaginary dragons. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #2

Gee... The 'mens' group leader claiming misogyny does not exist... Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #25

totally a suprise to see the DU Men's Rights group supporting talking geek tragedy Feb 2014 #36

There's no such thing as a "DU men's rights group". lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #47

Are strawmen the best kind of company? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #55

Then please elaborate... Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #58

That DU isn't safe enough for "the fairer sex". lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #87

Warren Stupidity's thread got 168 recs at last count, do all of those people geek tragedy Feb 2014 #101

Maybe you should just read what's written. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #121

no, you're spinning the "misogyny is too common here let's stop it" complaint in geek tragedy Feb 2014 #127

So... Only members of the oppressed group should fight for their rights? Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #106

Equality is the only valid destination. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #113

That is a nice catch phrase but is has nothing to do with what I asked Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #118

It's not a catch phrase, it's an overriding principle. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #125

Who else should I not support? LGBT? AA? The poor? Should I only support white males as you do? Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #126

You don't support issues. You rarely argue issues at all. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #131

Again... You avoid the question... Who else should not be supported? Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #136

In general, I try to argue ideas. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #144

Mixing and matching stats neither proves your point or explains the contradiction of your MRA stance Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #147

I don't care who you support. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #148

As I thought... Number in prison, not commiting crime... Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #155

The ellipsis don't improve readability. Or logic. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #158

Ahhh... We get to the heart. Why do you not include women? No injustice there? Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #160

If your only tool is the personal attack... lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #183

bwahahahaha... Only being an MRA is liberal... You are funny Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #189

You mean this article? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #191

No, some of the others Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #193

Most of the HoF women are big Obama supporters (or several high profile ones are) arely staircase Feb 2014 #184

and we only get there by DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #177

Results of your Jury Service LittleBlue Feb 2014 #138

I get mail. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #139

I've never met this White Knight. bravenak Feb 2014 #4

He does exist, bravenak. Really. BainsBane Feb 2014 #85

Be still my beating heart!! A Knight of yore! bravenak Feb 2014 #102

I like Knights in White Satin Whisp Feb 2014 #120

That is a lovely song. bravenak Feb 2014 #140

heh, the DU MRAs will love this post. anyone who sides with feminists against them is a geek tragedy Feb 2014 #5

+1 redqueen Feb 2014 #7

curled up, cornered, corralled. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #20

I dunno, the men's rights creeps seem to be multiplying. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #22

wonder How They got That Idea .... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #24

adverse selection. unless you actively discourage them, they geek tragedy Feb 2014 #32

Give 'em an Inch and they'll take a Mile. Yep! Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #38

Let the camel get his nose into the tent, and before you know it, tblue37 Feb 2014 #146

So true. DURHAM D Feb 2014 #26

Not really multiplying, JoeyT Feb 2014 #179

I can't imagine anything as suffocating as relying on polly7 Feb 2014 #6

This should be a fitting video for this thread snooper2 Feb 2014 #8

Because no man in his right mind would be a feminist NuclearDem Feb 2014 #10

That's not what was said at all. polly7 Feb 2014 #16

It's exactly what the whole stupid white knight meme is about. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #23

perfectly stated. Thank you!! boston bean Feb 2014 #29

Oh don't even talk to me about "gender traitor" being used here. polly7 Feb 2014 #30

where have you observed feminists "who see the need to rely" on men? nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #37

Where have you observed I said that 'feminists' need to rely on men? nt. polly7 Feb 2014 #39

okay where have you observed this alleged phenemenon of white knights? nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #41

'White knights' .... polly7 Feb 2014 #44

i would say white knights are those folks trying to save others from things - like SI covers The Straight Story Feb 2014 #89

Which is why I tend to stay out of those kinds of discussions. Or have recently anyhow. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #150

So then what do you suggest male feminist allies do? NuclearDem Feb 2014 #46

Sorry, I stopped calling myself a feminist a long time ago after seeing all the polly7 Feb 2014 #49

Wait, I'm terribly confused. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #60

I've never said a word about 'supporting the feminist movement as a man', polly7 Feb 2014 #74

That's what this all boils down to... Old and In the Way Feb 2014 #178

This is how they get men to not vocally support feminist issues. boston bean Feb 2014 #51

Looking in a mirror are you boston bean? nt. polly7 Feb 2014 #53

No, I'm typing on a progressive democratic discussion board. boston bean Feb 2014 #54

No, you're stating there are women 'MRA' supporters here. polly7 Feb 2014 #56

me,winky winky crap...never... boston bean Feb 2014 #61

Always. polly7 Feb 2014 #67

I don't have to name them.. boston bean Feb 2014 #68

Do they? polly7 Feb 2014 #78

LOL Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #83

Wow, I didn't know you were an MRA supporter. Fuck. That's surprising. nt. polly7 Feb 2014 #86

Yes polly, you finally exposed me. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #92

Well glad to meet ya Sheldon Cooper, MRA devotee. polly7 Feb 2014 #98

here is one: boston bean Feb 2014 #95

There are crazy people all over the world. polly7 Feb 2014 #99

You think I'm shy? boston bean Feb 2014 #104

No, just totally, completely dishonest and totally invested polly7 Feb 2014 #109

That would be your opinion and interpretation. boston bean Feb 2014 #111

LMAO! polly7 Feb 2014 #112

What allegations? I said there were female MRA's in a post to someone other than you. boston bean Feb 2014 #114

I guess because I've seen you attack (brutally) other women for a long time here, polly7 Feb 2014 #119

OMG, do you not see in yourself what you accuse others of. boston bean Feb 2014 #124

Same old line every time you can't back up your mean, nasty accusations, boston bean. polly7 Feb 2014 #128

What mean and nasty accusations? boston bean Feb 2014 #132

You implied they exist here. If that's a fact, you should have no problem naming and shaming. polly7 Feb 2014 #137

GWW wants to return to the old paradigm of society Harmony Blue Feb 2014 #181

Seriously... are you lot getting paid to post that acronym or something? opiate69 Feb 2014 #142

The MRA has been cited as a hate group by Southern Poverty Law Center... yet, that has not prevented hlthe2b Feb 2014 #180

"THE" MRA? And, no, they didn't. opiate69 Feb 2014 #185

And doesn't stop you from parroting the message. hlthe2b Feb 2014 #186

Where, exactly, have I "parroted" anything? opiate69 Feb 2014 #187

Not worth the time... Those who follow you have seen the posts and the memes. n/t hlthe2b Feb 2014 #188

Ah, how typical..throw out an accusation, then when called on it, opiate69 Feb 2014 #192

Nope.. You want a jury hide from those who call you on your history.I'm not going to give it to you. hlthe2b Feb 2014 #194

Your mind reading powers need recalibration... opiate69 Feb 2014 #196

^^That. Orrex Feb 2014 #52

No man has permission to be a feminist. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #48

I invite all to read the thread. I hope they do! boston bean Feb 2014 #64

You're welcome. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #69

I hope they all click the link and read the thread. Thanks boston bean Feb 2014 #70

No man needs permission to be a feminist. idendoit Feb 2014 #149

I believe in people helping each other. Maedhros Feb 2014 #11

yep. around here some appear to like the bootstrap method. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #21

That is an interesting angle, good post quinnox Feb 2014 #12

there are no such men like that at DU. So, not sure where you're getting this fairy tale geek tragedy Feb 2014 #15

WTF are you even talking about? Maedhros Feb 2014 #28

I'm agreeing with the OP, it doesn't sound like you even read it quinnox Feb 2014 #34

"White Knight" is a term generally associated with MRA groups. Maedhros Feb 2014 #66

I can't speak for the OP. All I can do is post my reaction to it. About the term, "white knight", quinnox Feb 2014 #76

OK. What about this? Maedhros Feb 2014 #80

I have to go now, but my quick impression of what the OP meant by that is quinnox Feb 2014 #93

"men who treat women like they are queens without flaws, and meekly nod their heads in approval Maedhros Feb 2014 #103

Yeah I am pro science Harmony Blue Feb 2014 #165

What could be worse than a man with a political conscience? BainsBane Feb 2014 #117

Most feminists I know and professors in women studies Harmony Blue Feb 2014 #162

Did you think that up all by yourself? n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #14

no, they get it from the big anti-woman hate site avoiceformen.org geek tragedy Feb 2014 #19

why is this crap even allowed on a Democratic, liberal, progessive website? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #42

because DU is infested with misogynists and ergo this stuff never gets hidden. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #43

OK. rest of this reply is self-censored due to Doors. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #45

I don't think "many" is the operative word. nt DURHAM D Feb 2014 #65

Disagree 1awake Feb 2014 #18

codswallop. straight people shouldn't come to the aid of LGBT people cali Feb 2014 #27

+ 1000 seaglass Feb 2014 #40

We should all help each other out where we can. We're mammals, not reptiles. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #152

Yup, everyone can always handle her/his situation by themselves. No need to help each other. HERVEPA Feb 2014 #31

Your input is noted Scootaloo Feb 2014 #33

LOL boston bean Feb 2014 #35

Sorry Boston CFLDem Feb 2014 #130

Word Salad Without Nutrition HangOnKids Feb 2014 #153

Weak sauce CFLDem Feb 2014 #156

It is hard I know HangOnKids Feb 2014 #157

And I'm sure CFLDem Feb 2014 #159

Wrong dear dont have any cats HangOnKids Feb 2014 #161

Well I am drowning CFLDem Feb 2014 #163

PSST you aren't fooling anybody HangOnKids Feb 2014 #164

Lol I am pretty amusing :) CFLDem Feb 2014 #166

3 hides keep going HangOnKids Feb 2014 #167

Hah CFLDem Feb 2014 #168

Keep Going HangOnKids Feb 2014 #169

Stop it CFLDem Feb 2014 #170

WalMart doesn't sell Armani HangOnKids Feb 2014 #171

Hey these Pimp suits CFLDem Feb 2014 #172

You are beyond ridiculous now HangOnKids Feb 2014 #173

I like you too CFLDem Feb 2014 #174

After skimming all of the "white knight" threads here, do you also understand Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #50

Also, he's got it all wrong boston bean Feb 2014 #57

Yes, good point. Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #71

"Yes, men assuming women are incapable of handling their own situations is harmful, sexist twaddle." lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #63

Feminists think that way. n/t Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #73

Presumptuous and frequently untrue. n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #91

Nope, true. Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #100

Using that logical standard then it's accurate to say that feminists believe in the tooth fairy. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #108

Now you know what it feels like to read your "facts" on subjects like IPV. Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #129

Fail. n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #133

Win. n/t Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #135

He got it somewhere, didn't he? BainsBane Feb 2014 #79

So true BainsBane Feb 2014 #59

heh, the excerpted part is boilerplate crap from the MGTOW movement. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #84

The 'men going their own way' sounds like a great thing. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #88

their dating advice discussions are a hoot. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #94

Hold on. If they are "going they own way" BainsBane Feb 2014 #96

they're trying to date. unsuccessfully, for unimaginable reasons nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #105

How unfortunate BainsBane Feb 2014 #110

Who says there is nothing to be greateful for anymore? BainsBane Feb 2014 #90

Opposing the ERA amendment by the White Knights was also for the GOOD OF WOMEN. DURHAM D Feb 2014 #97

A lot of what's been posted around here lately BainsBane Feb 2014 #107

True equality doesn't presume a white knight is a man. berni_mccoy Feb 2014 #62

don't help anyone. El_Johns Feb 2014 #72

Too bad you guys aren't brave enough to say what you're really thinking. Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #75

Exactly! Squinch Feb 2014 #82

True this. DURHAM D Feb 2014 #115

They make themeselves clear enough BainsBane Feb 2014 #134

one white knight threatened a woman here on DU with physical violence Whisp Feb 2014 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Feb 2014 #154

I don't want to return to that era Harmony Blue Feb 2014 #182

Not all PEOPLE can "handle their own situations." Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #77

You're totally right. Unfortunately, I don't know how many people can handle that kind of nuance. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #151

I am not looking at it from an evolutionary point of view Harmony Blue Feb 2014 #175

This really isn't working for you... maybe you could get a hobby or something?.. Squinch Feb 2014 #81

Solidarity is NOT White Knighthood DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #116

and to point to a thread that says my point better than I do DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #123

Thank you. God some people are thick around here. n/t MadrasT Feb 2014 #143

yeah, my dad is a real misogynist fizzgig Feb 2014 #122

Are you kidding? Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #145

This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read on DU Hippo_Tron Feb 2014 #176

hahaha! Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #195

Are you saying that men who are feminists set back equality for the genders? pnwmom Feb 2014 #190