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truebrit71

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6. All of them, or just the pro-euro Ukranians?

Thu Feb 20, 2014, 01:20 PM

Feb 2014

My understanding is that the country has two fairly distinct and separate factions, the pro-euros and the pro-Russians, which is what makes the whole thing so complicated.

If it were simply a case of everyone being pissed off at the corrupt government, that would make the most sense, but that doesn't necessarily appear to be the case here, no?

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Riots in Ukraine - What is really going on? [View all] truebrit71 Feb 2014 OP

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh! malaise Feb 2014 #1

Like any of us can really know Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #2

And anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together knows that the US's want influence ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2014 #34

why do you completely leave EU out of that power dynamic? You know...the main protagonist Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #35

Yesm Ukraine is in Europe. We are not, but you can bet the goal is about resources for Western ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2014 #37

apparently some here do need the lesson Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #38

What's going on is that Ukrainians are fed up with the corruption of their government. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #3

All of them, or just the pro-euro Ukranians? truebrit71 Feb 2014 #6

There are more government backers especially in areas closer to Russia. Are_grits_groceries Feb 2014 #9

It's less of a pro-Euro thing than it is an anti-Russia thing. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #10

You're right...nt joeybee12 Feb 2014 #20

It is so much more complicated. Are_grits_groceries Feb 2014 #4

That's not a surprise. The Russian state owned network gives the Russian point of view. stevenleser Feb 2014 #5

The U.S. has had similiar impulses in our perceived "sphere of influence". Tom Rinaldo Feb 2014 #33

Thom is an employee of RT ChangeUp106 Feb 2014 #7

I believe he is self-employed. One of his shows airs on RT though... truebrit71 Feb 2014 #11

Thom makes money from RT. Pretty basic transaction. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #30

Thom was interviewing Steve Cohen about rusty fender Feb 2014 #36

^^This^^ truebrit71 Feb 2014 #44

don't know, and don't care quinnox Feb 2014 #8

And then there's this... truebrit71 Feb 2014 #12

Here is another view: Are_grits_groceries Feb 2014 #13

You can safely say that there are "very unsavory characters" on both sides. Here's one very 'savory' pampango Feb 2014 #14

Yes, I can say that. Are_grits_groceries Feb 2014 #15

I can't blame the communists in TBF Feb 2014 #16

That's exactly what I've heard from local Ukrainians laundry_queen Feb 2014 #19

I think the opposition is a mishmash of groups d_r Feb 2014 #17

I don't like toppling democratic governments over political disagreements. Xithras Feb 2014 #18

Yanukovich passed very restrictive laws. Are_grits_groceries Feb 2014 #21

The Ukrainian parliament wrote and passed the laws. Xithras Feb 2014 #24

Oh yes those laws did spark protests. Are_grits_groceries Feb 2014 #27

That sounds about right seveneyes Feb 2014 #23

Well, you can't take it to a table when there isn't one. nt Are_grits_groceries Feb 2014 #29

A Democracy? BAHAHAHAH! Easy to win when you throw your political rivals in prison Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #31

Who claimed to be an expert? Xithras Feb 2014 #39

right. uh-huh. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #41

+1 JVS Feb 2014 #45

They're shooting people who aren't even armed Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #22

Some of those people are armed. Xithras Feb 2014 #25

I am glad they are not peaceful. Ukrainians don't fuck around Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #26

These are not peaceful demonstrators. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #42

Guns vs bricks, swords, catapults, etc. Are_grits_groceries Feb 2014 #28

I think... Xithras Feb 2014 #32

Let me guesss, they're also armed with a sidewalk. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #40

They didn't kill those cops with flowers. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #43