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19. +10000 Not only that, the threats were used to implement real austerity.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 04:42 PM
Feb 2014

and they were used to poison the Democratic Party message and entrench the lying Republican narrative tying Social Security to the deficit and implying that deficit cutting is the most important goal for the country.

Every Democrat, every American, should be sick of the constant Third Way implication that these Social Security threats have been just words and didn't harm anyone. They have harmed EVERYONE.

1. Without the threatened axe of Social Security cuts (which kept returning as the austerity kept escalating), the Third Way would never have been able to sell the vicious budget and social program cuts they HAVE inflicted on Americans...by justifying them as the lesser of two evils.

If you had told us a few years ago that the Barack Obama administration would be presiding over government spending that assaults the poor even more viciously than the RYAN plan, we would never have believed it. Yet that is exactly where we found ourselves, surrounded by corporate mouthpieces exhorting us to be grateful, "because he didn't cut Social Security."


2. For years, Republicans have drummed lies into the heads of the American people about the source of our economic problems and how to fix them. They have pushed vicious austerity and malignant, economy-starving deficit-cutting instead of the real help to the 99 percent that is needed, and they have preached lies about the need to cut SS and LIES about its contribution to the deficit.

President Obama had from Day One of this Presidency to change the narrative about deficits and Social Security. Instead, he has yet again cemented the Republican narrative and made it a "bipartisan" narrative in a way that will not be undone anytime soon.


And this TEMPORARY suspension of the threats, of course during an election year, and of course simultaneously repeating Republican lies about how the deficit will cause them to return in the future....is the obscene Third Way cherry on top.


Amen jsr Feb 2014 #1
you tell him, cali! Whisp Feb 2014 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #7
Horseshit. No one has said Obama has cut SS. Plenty of people have said he has offered it up Autumn Feb 2014 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Maedhros Feb 2014 #26
I will call it what I want, you lied. Autumn Feb 2014 #33
Why isn't your mom getting Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #130
My Husband gets his just like clockwork. Never fails, it just shows up like magic. Autumn Feb 2014 #134
Same here.... Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #136
I bet Cali_Democrat is confusing SSI disability checks with Social Security retirement checks. pnwmom Feb 2014 #142
I would think that he/she would Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #144
I know a couple of people on SSI disability checks and they have had Autumn Feb 2014 #162
But those checks could be stopped if the SSI people decided the disability no longer applied, pnwmom Feb 2014 #167
That's the way it works. But they have deleted their posts now Autumn Feb 2014 #169
I think it was an honest mistake, since both payments are made by the Social Security administration pnwmom Feb 2014 #170
You are a nice person to give them the benefit of doubt. A person here long Autumn Feb 2014 #172
exactly rbrnmw Feb 2014 #270
This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #160
Mine hasn't been stopped or cut. Actually I got a slight increase. Slight.. 2banon Feb 2014 #271
This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Feb 2014 #275
Sorry, I was somewhat confused with the different posts. 2banon Feb 2014 #276
Cali, on a scale of 1-brazillion, OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #70
Child needs his woobie. Ed Suspicious Feb 2014 #82
Are you confusing SSI disability payments --which can be stopped if someone's disability improves -- pnwmom Feb 2014 #141
Yes. He did cut social security, as I recall: grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #224
Obama can't unilaterally increase the COLA adjustment, which was set by Congress. pnwmom Feb 2014 #238
I guess you have nothing meaningful to say, so you just post nonsense. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #61
Some people get off on smearing other DUers and some public figures Autumn Feb 2014 #63
When they become absurd, I smell desperation. They have no rational arguments so they rhett o rick Feb 2014 #85
I'm beginning to observe a certain level of irrational thought processeses in play.. 2banon Feb 2014 #272
I dont think it's any more complicated that just plain authoritarianism. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #279
I agree with you completely.. 2banon Feb 2014 #290
I didnt get it to mean that SS was dead, but that having a Democratic president offer it up rhett o rick Feb 2014 #291
I see. THAT Point I do agree with! 2banon Feb 2014 #292
Come back tomorrow and we will be at something else. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #295
Good morning! 2banon Feb 2014 #300
And a hearty good morning to yourself. I have no delusion that we will defeat the giant, but rhett o rick Feb 2014 #303
Do you have a link for that? I'm not aware of any Obama-decreed cuts to Social Security. nt pnwmom Feb 2014 #138
here grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #226
That's disingenuous at best. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #232
There isn't a cut on the list and all the figures are the result of laws passed by Congress. pnwmom Feb 2014 #237
Well damn cali. That was easy Autumn Feb 2014 #3
godammit........... NM_Birder Feb 2014 #4
so sorry, but I don't do boob discussions. I consider all that a diversion. cali Feb 2014 #6
;) NM_Birder Feb 2014 #8
Hmmm. I construe that to mean something terrible. Have you no shame? rhett o rick Feb 2014 #44
Me too. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #114
It's really just that simple. n/t Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #5
No it's not! See Post 99 ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #103
We made him do peace with Syria! grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #228
Yeah, Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #245
Alright, I'll back off... He does seem to be coming on board, let's hope grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #278
It's hard for me to imagine anything more damaging to the Democratic "brand" .... Scuba Feb 2014 #9
You just dont get it. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #53
You do know he never offered it right? I can't see why the White House says it's off the table now. Autumn Feb 2014 #74
I am so confused. Hey, isnt the White House inanimate? nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #79
When? n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #168
no kidding why do u think he did it. it's for that reason, pave the way,make it easier for the leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #10
Oh, ProSense Feb 2014 #11
your use of Sanders invariably cracks me up cali Feb 2014 #13
LOL! ProSense Feb 2014 #14
sorry, pro, but I do know, and you do not, my darling friend. cali Feb 2014 #16
LOL! ProSense Feb 2014 #17
Well, bless your heart... MineralMan Feb 2014 #40
You remember what Barney Frank said about arguing with a Dining Room table? donheld Feb 2014 #240
It was annoying when Kucinich would play politics, too. It lends these charlatans Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #18
Do you actually read what you write? DeSwiss Feb 2014 #20
Yes, it was spot on. ProSense Feb 2014 #32
+10000 Not only that, the threats were used to implement real austerity. woo me with science Feb 2014 #19
thank you so much for that post- though of course it will be ignored by the adoring fans cali Feb 2014 #21
Still blaming Democrats for what the Republicans do, I see ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2014 #78
You clearly misunderstand. Looks like she likes Democrats just fine. But conservatives, not so much. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #83
Perhaps, she doesn't approve of Democrats pushing Republican policies. Broward Feb 2014 #126
this Liberalynn Feb 2014 #133
So compromising is "pushing"... gotcha... ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2014 #178
So is compromising on Social Security "reasonable?" Broward Feb 2014 #183
I feel left out ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #204
Conservatives want to privatize Social Security. You call yourself a conservative, does rhett o rick Feb 2014 #296
If this were the "President's plan"... he wouldn't have withdrawn it ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2014 #309
And once again you use insults to try to hide that you are not committing yourself. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #310
Here is a classic example of Poe's Law ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2014 #311
Once again a long post without any statement of commitment. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #312
I can be happy when there is good news creeksneakers2 Feb 2014 #217
+1 deutsey Feb 2014 #27
Every Democrat, every American, should be sick of the constant Third Way implication KoKo Feb 2014 #87
Thank you. 840high Feb 2014 #154
Indeed tea and oranges Feb 2014 #166
It is the answer to something! Maedhros Feb 2014 #212
+1,000 WCLinolVir Feb 2014 #247
Sounds like you are angry that ... JoePhilly Feb 2014 #22
no. I'm angry at the defender adorer types. it's that simple cali Feb 2014 #28
Oh no, the hater types are "angry at the defender adorer types"!!! ProSense Feb 2014 #35
I actually expected the "OMG, Obama is about to kill ... JoePhilly Feb 2014 #41
I think its all the pent up anger making you ill. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #38
+1. n/t FSogol Feb 2014 #47
How dare you for being right!!! OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #57
2015 SOTU. This time for sure...nt SidDithers Feb 2014 #257
I think the anger (of at least some) is The Green Manalishi Feb 2014 #283
You're kidding yourself if you think this OP and their dwindling fans will stop Number23 Feb 2014 #293
IMHO, the disconnect comes from President Obama being exactly what he is cali. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #66
Welcome to DU ... please enlighten us about how we JoePhilly Feb 2014 #91
Thank you for the welcome JoePhilly. I'm starting to settle in. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #146
They make me ill too and really degrade this board. Mojorabbit Feb 2014 #104
Yes. I see that too. laundry_queen Feb 2014 #171
Well if it was Poof all gone zeemike Feb 2014 #36
Whatever help folks ... JoePhilly Feb 2014 #43
+1 n/t Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #124
Even if he did withdraw the proposal, it should never have been on the table in the first place eridani Feb 2014 #219
The programs exist ... JoePhilly Feb 2014 #258
DEMOCRATS don't put it on the table;; Republicans do. eridani Feb 2014 #261
How is it playing chicken? JoePhilly Feb 2014 #262
Social Security is too critical to EVER be used that way by a Democrat, period. n/t eridani Feb 2014 #297
And the wheel of outrage lands on....... Social Security!!....nt SidDithers Feb 2014 #23
The threads on this Obama outrage are absolutely hilarious!!! JoePhilly Feb 2014 #30
You must lack reading comprehension skills. Chained CPI is STILL on the table. djean111 Feb 2014 #55
Social Security exists. The GOP hates it. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #62
No offense, but unless you are actually OBAMA, you are in no position to say definitively djean111 Feb 2014 #65
Same is true of those who have been SURE ... JoePhilly Feb 2014 #84
Well, you nailed the part about not trusting him. djean111 Feb 2014 #96
I get the sense that the folks making chess references ... JoePhilly Feb 2014 #100
It's always on *their* table. progressoid Feb 2014 #86
There is no table ... you do know that, right? JoePhilly Feb 2014 #88
All of this "but he put it on the table" stuff is nonsense? progressoid Feb 2014 #90
The President dangled a carrot ... and the GOP was TERRIFIED JoePhilly Feb 2014 #95
So you agree this "put it on the table stuff" isn't nonsense. progressoid Feb 2014 #101
Perhaps if someone explained WHY CCPI won't go anywhere ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #207
it's still on the table. he didn't foreswear future cuts and sign in blood Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #149
Hey place your bets ... JoePhilly Feb 2014 #46
And your outrage lands on what others have to say. How easy to never commit oneself. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #304
... SidDithers Feb 2014 #306
Perfect. I rest my case. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #307
... SidDithers Feb 2014 #313
Sometimes you need to shout it out. zeemike Feb 2014 #24
thanks. cali Feb 2014 #31
The emoprog's lament: OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #25
how about actually responding the the point, dear? if you're going to cali Feb 2014 #39
I'll respond to the "point" sweetheart. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #45
cupcake, you didn't respond- because you aren't capable of doing so cali Feb 2014 #50
To quote Ann Richards: OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #67
That was in no way a response to the point. n/t cui bono Feb 2014 #180
You mean the GOP wasn't going to target Social Security? JoePhilly Feb 2014 #54
Well, you survived a jury decision (just barely) etherealtruth Feb 2014 #115
Whew! OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #117
You clearly are not interested in elevating the discourse at DU etherealtruth Feb 2014 #120
And you've "elevated the discourse" on this thread... OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #145
emoprog is hilarious. get used to it. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #148
I have just grown tired of the idiotic name calling etherealtruth Feb 2014 #155
you obviously have a point. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #157
LOL ... you brought huge smile to my face! etherealtruth Feb 2014 #159
What can I say? DeSwiss Feb 2014 #29
Shout it out cali !!!!!!!!!!! SamKnause Feb 2014 #34
Clinton wanted to "reform" SS just like he "reformed" welfare. redqueen Feb 2014 #37
... and now, let's attack Obama for what he didn't do, OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #49
it only has to be explained until 2017 Skittles Feb 2014 #48
Oh Skittles Autumn Feb 2014 #52
these hypocrites make me sick Skittles Feb 2014 #58
+1 WCLinolVir Feb 2014 #248
What the heck, sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #51
And it tarnishes the Democratic "brand" for lack of a better term. progressoid Feb 2014 #56
Vote for The Party That Wanted To But Hasn't Cut Your Social Security Yet. jsr Feb 2014 #60
Don't vote. Better message, right? ProSense Feb 2014 #68
Nobody said that. progressoid Feb 2014 #92
Obama is a murderer .... He's killing JoePhilly Feb 2014 #161
But this thread isn't about drones. n/t cui bono Feb 2014 #182
Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #252
You have a lot of fucking nerve calling someone a liar. Get the fuck over yourself. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #254
Remember me, huh? Dawgs Feb 2014 #263
Not really, the platform is against cuts. joshcryer Feb 2014 #221
LOL Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #59
Nobody is whining that Obama finally took Chained CPI off the table. djean111 Feb 2014 #64
Yep. Kinda like being grateful that your spouse didn't poison your coffee after all. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #69
Yep. Kinda like being grateful that your spouse didn't poison your coffee after all. djean111 Feb 2014 #71
But it's a very good and expensive poison. jsr Feb 2014 #75
All the serious, responsible people agree that you should be poisoned. QC Feb 2014 #147
Fiscal responsibility demands it. jsr Feb 2014 #151
So here, drink the coffee now and stop being so selfish. QC Feb 2014 #152
All together now: "THE GREATER GOOD!" (as in Hot Fuzz, the movie) Divernan Feb 2014 #153
Precisely. jsr Feb 2014 #72
That's analogy FAIL. ProSense Feb 2014 #93
+1 progressoid Feb 2014 #123
I'm glad the President has decided not to put chained CPI in his budget this year. stage left Feb 2014 #73
Thank Senator Bernie Sanders mc51tc Feb 2014 #76
My head hurts. democrank Feb 2014 #77
lol. Great analogy! n/t jtuck004 Feb 2014 #81
HAHA, exactly. Many in this thread, that's for sure. nt laundry_queen Feb 2014 #176
full ignore for all of them bobduca Feb 2014 #225
Right! Now it will always be on the table. The pukes will always be shooting for it. It used to Ed Suspicious Feb 2014 #80
Yea, the GOP wasn't shoting for Social Security until Obama. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #89
See the history lesson in comment 107. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #109
how old are you? ellennelle Feb 2014 #94
"what little obama offered was a scruffy little pawn" jsr Feb 2014 #98
uh, no.... ellennelle Feb 2014 #112
I'm glad you find the sacrifice of the poor at the altar of the 1% entertaining jsr Feb 2014 #121
Is it me, or is there a brand new cadre of shiny new user names Maedhros Feb 2014 #214
note who hands out atta-boy's to these new felt-covered personas? bobduca Feb 2014 #227
Who? OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #234
Yeah I should name them specifically right? bobduca Feb 2014 #266
Funny Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #308
You nailed it, beautifully! Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #179
thanks for an excellent post…one of the ones that help make sense of BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #202
Ellen, thanks for posting davidpdx Feb 2014 #249
You're a sad one cali grinch. great white snark Feb 2014 #97
Perhaps if someone explained WHY CCPI won't go anywhere ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #99
good explanation..thank you! BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #201
But it's being ignored ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #210
Yup! truebrit71 Feb 2014 #102
"super dimensional chess" greytdemocrat Feb 2014 #105
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Feb 2014 #106
Carter was the last Democratic President to lower Social Security benefits. ProSense Feb 2014 #107
Your welcome to your own opinion. nt ecstatic Feb 2014 #108
I tried drilling that into there skulls at the time stupidicus Feb 2014 #110
It might be a disease albino65 Feb 2014 #111
Those people will soil themselves screaming from the rafters davidpdx Feb 2014 #253
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Feb 2014 #113
Kick, because yes it has to be explained. Autumn Feb 2014 #116
I'm saying he never intended to go through with the cuts. greiner3 Feb 2014 #118
I used to think the role of a pragmatic progressive was to... RufusTFirefly Feb 2014 #119
Once a dem put it on the table, it will be put on the table again until they take the cleaver to it. CrispyQ Feb 2014 #122
That's the beauty of chess or whatever church members call it. jsr Feb 2014 #125
You just go right on ahead and blame James Earl Carter for that. He did it. Autumn Feb 2014 #128
Well, ProSense Feb 2014 #129
So GW Bush tried to privatize SS JoePhilly Feb 2014 #163
K&R! Phlem Feb 2014 #127
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service LittleBlue Feb 2014 #131
Denigrating chess skills = blasphemy jsr Feb 2014 #135
Well Obama is no Magnus Carlsen. edbermac Feb 2014 #156
they couldn't describe any detail while they were having a case of the vapors Skittles Feb 2014 #186
Is Cali on some groups auto alert list? L0oniX Feb 2014 #209
don't give them ideas. cali Feb 2014 #267
Here: ProSense Feb 2014 #132
It's still ON the table spedtr90 Feb 2014 #137
It's better to be feared by Democrats and loved by Republicans. jsr Feb 2014 #143
This is why there is Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #139
Yep. nt Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #140
hey, dear. some type of social security reform is inevitable Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #150
Why will they happen? fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #164
fleabiscuit rhymes with seabiscuit Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #165
It's genesis. I've been sporting the moniker for some time. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #173
I'll say it again, as I have said it many times before. Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #158
They're ProSense Feb 2014 #174
I was trying to be nice. Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #175
LOL, yes, we LOVE it when Obama is a disappointment. n-t Logical Feb 2014 #184
At the end of the day, Obama, chessmaster, wins. ProSense Feb 2014 #191
He was the one t hat proposed them. No cuts was the default position. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #301
LOL, so when Obama does something right we should praise him, but when he does something wrong.... Logical Feb 2014 #185
Woooosh. Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #187
Yes, your logic exiting the room. n-t Logical Feb 2014 #188
Have you ever been involved in high-end negotiations? Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #193
. ProSense Feb 2014 #190
Exactly. Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #208
And the 250 recs just makes it all that much more absurdly delicious Number23 Feb 2014 #294
+1,000. BHO legitimized hacking away at Social Security and the Safety Net, DEM & GOP alike. blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #177
So that's why Bush tried to privatize SS ... THANKS OBAMA! JoePhilly Feb 2014 #205
I don't get it Loaded Liberal Dem Feb 2014 #181
Hey, Cali! I noticed you're missing from this thread: jazzimov Feb 2014 #189
So there was no risk to offering Chained CPI DJ13 Feb 2014 #244
I think you're making a bigger deal out of it than it is Hippo_Tron Feb 2014 #192
Sometimes the truth is blunt. Good job, keep it up! marble falls Feb 2014 #194
Now, now Cali, if you aren't grateful the budget doesn't include the misguided and stupid policy TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #195
Clearly, ProSense Feb 2014 #199
Relieved and praising are not the same thing, Pro. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #287
He puts SS cuts on the table LiberalElite Feb 2014 #196
“I'll change, I promise” jsr Feb 2014 #198
You are 100% correct on this... ljm2002 Feb 2014 #197
+1000 bobduca Feb 2014 #200
Your post would mean something if evidence mattered to you. HuckleB Feb 2014 #203
thank you for explaining this. As preposterous as it may seem - some people here genuinely Douglas Carpenter Feb 2014 #206
Repetition is key. It makes the idea mainstream and makes eventual cuts inevitable. jsr Feb 2014 #211
"EXACTLY" The mainstream media and the pundits of the "sensible center" have been pushing Douglas Carpenter Feb 2014 #213
You know what's ProSense Feb 2014 #215
then he shouldn't have proposed cuts to Social Security benefits in next years budget and Douglas Carpenter Feb 2014 #222
What are you talking about? n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #223
Top of the Greatest Page. Thank you, Cali. woo me with science Feb 2014 #216
That's correct. Defining the issue in terms of cuts is 100% right-wing. delrem Feb 2014 #218
I would only qualify that by specifying on economic issues the right-wing has achieved total victory Douglas Carpenter Feb 2014 #229
That is why Obama can "evolve" on the cultural issues, Maedhros Feb 2014 #235
Campaign promise kept. joshcryer Feb 2014 #220
It's a great post by cali and a fine analysis. vlakitti Feb 2014 #230
Yes. He did cut social security, as I recall: grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #231
Thank you. nt woo me with science Feb 2014 #239
Just wait until TPP kicks in... pragmatic_dem Feb 2014 #233
It's hard to keep track of which team is in what color uniform anymore. jsr Feb 2014 #236
700K jobs lost due to NAFTA - TBF Feb 2014 #269
Related: Slums of China and India pragmatic_dem Feb 2014 #289
Thank you. It's unbelievable that anyone would even TRY to 'explain' why he has 'taken it off the sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #241
This is funny ProSense Feb 2014 #242
Are you saying Obama was lying?? Are you stating we should not believe him when he sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #243
Not only ProSense Feb 2014 #250
No, I am asking you, because you are the one telling us this President sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #268
Chess my ass, look at this Autumn Feb 2014 #259
Great post from Bvar as usual. I remember the last convoluted chess story re CPI sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #288
+10000000 woo me with science Feb 2014 #298
Chess, look at this: ProSense Feb 2014 #305
Obama's advocacy of SS cuts is not new, it turns out... woo me with science Feb 2014 #314
Chess my ass, look at this Autumn Feb 2014 #259
Even though the Obama we all see and hear meanit Feb 2014 #246
It's no secret: jsr Feb 2014 #264
So what you're saying is you don't like Obama because he's black? Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #251
Don't joke about that. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #255
Let me apologize up front ProSense Feb 2014 #256
Oh, I get it. "Explain"=self-righteous rant. JNelson6563 Feb 2014 #265
Julie..it hurts to see what's going on... KoKo Feb 2014 #316
Yes. aquart Feb 2014 #273
Social Security Reform has always been legitimate, Progressive dog Feb 2014 #274
It's been brought up since FDR. This BS needs to stop. nt kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #281
There is no way to fix this in any system of government nt Progressive dog Feb 2014 #284
i agree.... madrchsod Feb 2014 #277
Thanks for saying so swilton Feb 2014 #280
There are many forms of ODS. Jakes Progress Feb 2014 #282
Not really, only a handful here refuse to get the obvious. Rex Feb 2014 #285
And don't forget that before we were presented with the latest explanation as to why sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #286
Well said. woo me with science Feb 2014 #299
Yep. LWolf Feb 2014 #302
The Spin out there in the MSM/MSNBC, also....is that he Played Superior Chess KoKo Feb 2014 #315
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