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In reply to the discussion: Does this really need to be explained on a liberal dem discussion site? yep. [View all]woo me with science
(32,139 posts)19. +10000 Not only that, the threats were used to implement real austerity.
and they were used to poison the Democratic Party message and entrench the lying Republican narrative tying Social Security to the deficit and implying that deficit cutting is the most important goal for the country.
Every Democrat, every American, should be sick of the constant Third Way implication that these Social Security threats have been just words and didn't harm anyone. They have harmed EVERYONE.
1. Without the threatened axe of Social Security cuts (which kept returning as the austerity kept escalating), the Third Way would never have been able to sell the vicious budget and social program cuts they HAVE inflicted on Americans...by justifying them as the lesser of two evils.
If you had told us a few years ago that the Barack Obama administration would be presiding over government spending that assaults the poor even more viciously than the RYAN plan, we would never have believed it. Yet that is exactly where we found ourselves, surrounded by corporate mouthpieces exhorting us to be grateful, "because he didn't cut Social Security."2. For years, Republicans have drummed lies into the heads of the American people about the source of our economic problems and how to fix them. They have pushed vicious austerity and malignant, economy-starving deficit-cutting instead of the real help to the 99 percent that is needed, and they have preached lies about the need to cut SS and LIES about its contribution to the deficit.
President Obama had from Day One of this Presidency to change the narrative about deficits and Social Security. Instead, he has yet again cemented the Republican narrative and made it a "bipartisan" narrative in a way that will not be undone anytime soon.
And this TEMPORARY suspension of the threats, of course during an election year, and of course simultaneously repeating Republican lies about how the deficit will cause them to return in the future....is the obscene Third Way cherry on top.
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cali
Feb 2014
OP
Horseshit. No one has said Obama has cut SS. Plenty of people have said he has offered it up
Autumn
Feb 2014
#12
My Husband gets his just like clockwork. Never fails, it just shows up like magic.
Autumn
Feb 2014
#134
I bet Cali_Democrat is confusing SSI disability checks with Social Security retirement checks.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#142
But those checks could be stopped if the SSI people decided the disability no longer applied,
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#167
I think it was an honest mistake, since both payments are made by the Social Security administration
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#170
Are you confusing SSI disability payments --which can be stopped if someone's disability improves --
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#141
Obama can't unilaterally increase the COLA adjustment, which was set by Congress.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#238
When they become absurd, I smell desperation. They have no rational arguments so they
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#85
I'm beginning to observe a certain level of irrational thought processeses in play..
2banon
Feb 2014
#272
I didnt get it to mean that SS was dead, but that having a Democratic president offer it up
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#291
And a hearty good morning to yourself. I have no delusion that we will defeat the giant, but
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#303
Do you have a link for that? I'm not aware of any Obama-decreed cuts to Social Security. nt
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#138
There isn't a cut on the list and all the figures are the result of laws passed by Congress.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#237
You do know he never offered it right? I can't see why the White House says it's off the table now.
Autumn
Feb 2014
#74
no kidding why do u think he did it. it's for that reason, pave the way,make it easier for the
leftyohiolib
Feb 2014
#10
It was annoying when Kucinich would play politics, too. It lends these charlatans
Egalitarian Thug
Feb 2014
#18
+10000 Not only that, the threats were used to implement real austerity.
woo me with science
Feb 2014
#19
thank you so much for that post- though of course it will be ignored by the adoring fans
cali
Feb 2014
#21
You clearly misunderstand. Looks like she likes Democrats just fine. But conservatives, not so much.
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#83
Conservatives want to privatize Social Security. You call yourself a conservative, does
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#296
If this were the "President's plan"... he wouldn't have withdrawn it
ConservativeDemocrat
Feb 2014
#309
And once again you use insults to try to hide that you are not committing yourself.
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#310
Every Democrat, every American, should be sick of the constant Third Way implication
KoKo
Feb 2014
#87
You're kidding yourself if you think this OP and their dwindling fans will stop
Number23
Feb 2014
#293
IMHO, the disconnect comes from President Obama being exactly what he is cali.
fleabiscuit
Feb 2014
#66
Even if he did withdraw the proposal, it should never have been on the table in the first place
eridani
Feb 2014
#219
Social Security is too critical to EVER be used that way by a Democrat, period. n/t
eridani
Feb 2014
#297
You must lack reading comprehension skills. Chained CPI is STILL on the table.
djean111
Feb 2014
#55
No offense, but unless you are actually OBAMA, you are in no position to say definitively
djean111
Feb 2014
#65
it's still on the table. he didn't foreswear future cuts and sign in blood
Pretzel_Warrior
Feb 2014
#149
And your outrage lands on what others have to say. How easy to never commit oneself.
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#304
You have a lot of fucking nerve calling someone a liar. Get the fuck over yourself. n/t
ProSense
Feb 2014
#254
Yep. Kinda like being grateful that your spouse didn't poison your coffee after all.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Feb 2014
#69
Yep. Kinda like being grateful that your spouse didn't poison your coffee after all.
djean111
Feb 2014
#71
I'm glad the President has decided not to put chained CPI in his budget this year.
stage left
Feb 2014
#73
Right! Now it will always be on the table. The pukes will always be shooting for it. It used to
Ed Suspicious
Feb 2014
#80
thanks for an excellent post…one of the ones that help make sense of
BlancheSplanchnik
Feb 2014
#202
Once a dem put it on the table, it will be put on the table again until they take the cleaver to it.
CrispyQ
Feb 2014
#122
they couldn't describe any detail while they were having a case of the vapors
Skittles
Feb 2014
#186
LOL, so when Obama does something right we should praise him, but when he does something wrong....
Logical
Feb 2014
#185
+1,000. BHO legitimized hacking away at Social Security and the Safety Net, DEM & GOP alike.
blkmusclmachine
Feb 2014
#177
Now, now Cali, if you aren't grateful the budget doesn't include the misguided and stupid policy
TheKentuckian
Feb 2014
#195
thank you for explaining this. As preposterous as it may seem - some people here genuinely
Douglas Carpenter
Feb 2014
#206
Repetition is key. It makes the idea mainstream and makes eventual cuts inevitable.
jsr
Feb 2014
#211
"EXACTLY" The mainstream media and the pundits of the "sensible center" have been pushing
Douglas Carpenter
Feb 2014
#213
then he shouldn't have proposed cuts to Social Security benefits in next years budget and
Douglas Carpenter
Feb 2014
#222
I would only qualify that by specifying on economic issues the right-wing has achieved total victory
Douglas Carpenter
Feb 2014
#229
Thank you. It's unbelievable that anyone would even TRY to 'explain' why he has 'taken it off the
sabrina 1
Feb 2014
#241
Are you saying Obama was lying?? Are you stating we should not believe him when he
sabrina 1
Feb 2014
#243
Great post from Bvar as usual. I remember the last convoluted chess story re CPI
sabrina 1
Feb 2014
#288
And don't forget that before we were presented with the latest explanation as to why
sabrina 1
Feb 2014
#286