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redqueen

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37. Clinton wanted to "reform" SS just like he "reformed" welfare.

Thu Feb 20, 2014, 04:51 PM

Feb 2014

His proposed plan to "save" Social Security didn't exactly pave the way for more progressive policymaking.

Democrats have been drifting right for decades. I don't bother screaming about it here. All that seems to do is feed the "not a dime's worth of difference" bullshit.

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Does this really need to be explained on a liberal dem discussion site? yep. [View all] cali Feb 2014 OP

Amen jsr Feb 2014 #1

you tell him, cali! Whisp Feb 2014 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #7

Horseshit. No one has said Obama has cut SS. Plenty of people have said he has offered it up Autumn Feb 2014 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author Maedhros Feb 2014 #26

I will call it what I want, you lied. Autumn Feb 2014 #33

Why isn't your mom getting Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #130

My Husband gets his just like clockwork. Never fails, it just shows up like magic. Autumn Feb 2014 #134

Same here.... Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #136

I bet Cali_Democrat is confusing SSI disability checks with Social Security retirement checks. pnwmom Feb 2014 #142

I would think that he/she would Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #144

I know a couple of people on SSI disability checks and they have had Autumn Feb 2014 #162

But those checks could be stopped if the SSI people decided the disability no longer applied, pnwmom Feb 2014 #167

That's the way it works. But they have deleted their posts now Autumn Feb 2014 #169

I think it was an honest mistake, since both payments are made by the Social Security administration pnwmom Feb 2014 #170

You are a nice person to give them the benefit of doubt. A person here long Autumn Feb 2014 #172

exactly rbrnmw Feb 2014 #270

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #160

Mine hasn't been stopped or cut. Actually I got a slight increase. Slight.. 2banon Feb 2014 #271

This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Feb 2014 #275

Sorry, I was somewhat confused with the different posts. 2banon Feb 2014 #276

Cali, on a scale of 1-brazillion, OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #70

Child needs his woobie. Ed Suspicious Feb 2014 #82

Are you confusing SSI disability payments --which can be stopped if someone's disability improves -- pnwmom Feb 2014 #141

Yes. He did cut social security, as I recall: grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #224

Obama can't unilaterally increase the COLA adjustment, which was set by Congress. pnwmom Feb 2014 #238

I guess you have nothing meaningful to say, so you just post nonsense. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #61

Some people get off on smearing other DUers and some public figures Autumn Feb 2014 #63

When they become absurd, I smell desperation. They have no rational arguments so they rhett o rick Feb 2014 #85

I'm beginning to observe a certain level of irrational thought processeses in play.. 2banon Feb 2014 #272

I dont think it's any more complicated that just plain authoritarianism. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #279

I agree with you completely.. 2banon Feb 2014 #290

I didnt get it to mean that SS was dead, but that having a Democratic president offer it up rhett o rick Feb 2014 #291

I see. THAT Point I do agree with! 2banon Feb 2014 #292

Come back tomorrow and we will be at something else. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #295

Good morning! 2banon Feb 2014 #300

And a hearty good morning to yourself. I have no delusion that we will defeat the giant, but rhett o rick Feb 2014 #303

Do you have a link for that? I'm not aware of any Obama-decreed cuts to Social Security. nt pnwmom Feb 2014 #138

here grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #226

That's disingenuous at best. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #232

There isn't a cut on the list and all the figures are the result of laws passed by Congress. pnwmom Feb 2014 #237

Well damn cali. That was easy Autumn Feb 2014 #3

godammit........... NM_Birder Feb 2014 #4

so sorry, but I don't do boob discussions. I consider all that a diversion. cali Feb 2014 #6

;) NM_Birder Feb 2014 #8

Hmmm. I construe that to mean something terrible. Have you no shame? rhett o rick Feb 2014 #44

Me too. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #114

It's really just that simple. n/t Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #5

No it's not! See Post 99 ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #103

We made him do peace with Syria! grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #228

Yeah, Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #245

Alright, I'll back off... He does seem to be coming on board, let's hope grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #278

It's hard for me to imagine anything more damaging to the Democratic "brand" .... Scuba Feb 2014 #9

You just dont get it. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #53

You do know he never offered it right? I can't see why the White House says it's off the table now. Autumn Feb 2014 #74

I am so confused. Hey, isnt the White House inanimate? nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #79

When? n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #168

no kidding why do u think he did it. it's for that reason, pave the way,make it easier for the leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #10

Oh, ProSense Feb 2014 #11

your use of Sanders invariably cracks me up cali Feb 2014 #13

LOL! ProSense Feb 2014 #14

sorry, pro, but I do know, and you do not, my darling friend. cali Feb 2014 #16

LOL! ProSense Feb 2014 #17

Well, bless your heart... MineralMan Feb 2014 #40

You remember what Barney Frank said about arguing with a Dining Room table? donheld Feb 2014 #240

It was annoying when Kucinich would play politics, too. It lends these charlatans Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #18

Do you actually read what you write? DeSwiss Feb 2014 #20

Yes, it was spot on. ProSense Feb 2014 #32

+10000 Not only that, the threats were used to implement real austerity. woo me with science Feb 2014 #19

thank you so much for that post- though of course it will be ignored by the adoring fans cali Feb 2014 #21

Still blaming Democrats for what the Republicans do, I see ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2014 #78

You clearly misunderstand. Looks like she likes Democrats just fine. But conservatives, not so much. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #83

Perhaps, she doesn't approve of Democrats pushing Republican policies. Broward Feb 2014 #126

this Liberalynn Feb 2014 #133

So compromising is "pushing"... gotcha... ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2014 #178

So is compromising on Social Security "reasonable?" Broward Feb 2014 #183

I feel left out ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #204

Conservatives want to privatize Social Security. You call yourself a conservative, does rhett o rick Feb 2014 #296

If this were the "President's plan"... he wouldn't have withdrawn it ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2014 #309

And once again you use insults to try to hide that you are not committing yourself. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #310

Here is a classic example of Poe's Law ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2014 #311

Once again a long post without any statement of commitment. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #312

I can be happy when there is good news creeksneakers2 Feb 2014 #217

+1 deutsey Feb 2014 #27

Every Democrat, every American, should be sick of the constant Third Way implication KoKo Feb 2014 #87

Thank you. 840high Feb 2014 #154

Indeed tea and oranges Feb 2014 #166

It is the answer to something! Maedhros Feb 2014 #212

+1,000 WCLinolVir Feb 2014 #247

Sounds like you are angry that ... JoePhilly Feb 2014 #22

no. I'm angry at the defender adorer types. it's that simple cali Feb 2014 #28

Oh no, the hater types are "angry at the defender adorer types"!!! ProSense Feb 2014 #35

I actually expected the "OMG, Obama is about to kill ... JoePhilly Feb 2014 #41

I think its all the pent up anger making you ill. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #38

+1. n/t FSogol Feb 2014 #47

How dare you for being right!!! OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #57

2015 SOTU. This time for sure...nt SidDithers Feb 2014 #257

I think the anger (of at least some) is The Green Manalishi Feb 2014 #283

You're kidding yourself if you think this OP and their dwindling fans will stop Number23 Feb 2014 #293

IMHO, the disconnect comes from President Obama being exactly what he is cali. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #66

Welcome to DU ... please enlighten us about how we JoePhilly Feb 2014 #91

Thank you for the welcome JoePhilly. I'm starting to settle in. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #146

They make me ill too and really degrade this board. Mojorabbit Feb 2014 #104

Yes. I see that too. laundry_queen Feb 2014 #171

Well if it was Poof all gone zeemike Feb 2014 #36

Whatever help folks ... JoePhilly Feb 2014 #43

+1 n/t Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #124

Even if he did withdraw the proposal, it should never have been on the table in the first place eridani Feb 2014 #219

The programs exist ... JoePhilly Feb 2014 #258

DEMOCRATS don't put it on the table;; Republicans do. eridani Feb 2014 #261

How is it playing chicken? JoePhilly Feb 2014 #262

Social Security is too critical to EVER be used that way by a Democrat, period. n/t eridani Feb 2014 #297

And the wheel of outrage lands on....... Social Security!!....nt SidDithers Feb 2014 #23

The threads on this Obama outrage are absolutely hilarious!!! JoePhilly Feb 2014 #30

You must lack reading comprehension skills. Chained CPI is STILL on the table. djean111 Feb 2014 #55

Social Security exists. The GOP hates it. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #62

No offense, but unless you are actually OBAMA, you are in no position to say definitively djean111 Feb 2014 #65

Same is true of those who have been SURE ... JoePhilly Feb 2014 #84

Well, you nailed the part about not trusting him. djean111 Feb 2014 #96

I get the sense that the folks making chess references ... JoePhilly Feb 2014 #100

It's always on *their* table. progressoid Feb 2014 #86

There is no table ... you do know that, right? JoePhilly Feb 2014 #88

All of this "but he put it on the table" stuff is nonsense? progressoid Feb 2014 #90

The President dangled a carrot ... and the GOP was TERRIFIED JoePhilly Feb 2014 #95

So you agree this "put it on the table stuff" isn't nonsense. progressoid Feb 2014 #101

Perhaps if someone explained WHY CCPI won't go anywhere ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #207

it's still on the table. he didn't foreswear future cuts and sign in blood Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #149

Hey place your bets ... JoePhilly Feb 2014 #46

And your outrage lands on what others have to say. How easy to never commit oneself. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #304

... SidDithers Feb 2014 #306

Perfect. I rest my case. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #307

... SidDithers Feb 2014 #313

Sometimes you need to shout it out. zeemike Feb 2014 #24

thanks. cali Feb 2014 #31

The emoprog's lament: OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #25

how about actually responding the the point, dear? if you're going to cali Feb 2014 #39

I'll respond to the "point" sweetheart. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #45

cupcake, you didn't respond- because you aren't capable of doing so cali Feb 2014 #50

To quote Ann Richards: OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #67

That was in no way a response to the point. n/t cui bono Feb 2014 #180

You mean the GOP wasn't going to target Social Security? JoePhilly Feb 2014 #54

Well, you survived a jury decision (just barely) etherealtruth Feb 2014 #115

Whew! OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #117

You clearly are not interested in elevating the discourse at DU etherealtruth Feb 2014 #120

And you've "elevated the discourse" on this thread... OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #145

emoprog is hilarious. get used to it. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #148

I have just grown tired of the idiotic name calling etherealtruth Feb 2014 #155

you obviously have a point. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #157

LOL ... you brought huge smile to my face! etherealtruth Feb 2014 #159

What can I say? DeSwiss Feb 2014 #29

Shout it out cali !!!!!!!!!!! SamKnause Feb 2014 #34

Clinton wanted to "reform" SS just like he "reformed" welfare. redqueen Feb 2014 #37

... and now, let's attack Obama for what he didn't do, OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #49

it only has to be explained until 2017 Skittles Feb 2014 #48

Oh Skittles Autumn Feb 2014 #52

these hypocrites make me sick Skittles Feb 2014 #58

+1 WCLinolVir Feb 2014 #248

What the heck, sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #51

And it tarnishes the Democratic "brand" for lack of a better term. progressoid Feb 2014 #56

Vote for The Party That Wanted To But Hasn't Cut Your Social Security Yet. jsr Feb 2014 #60

Don't vote. Better message, right? ProSense Feb 2014 #68

Nobody said that. progressoid Feb 2014 #92

Obama is a murderer .... He's killing JoePhilly Feb 2014 #161

But this thread isn't about drones. n/t cui bono Feb 2014 #182

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #252

You have a lot of fucking nerve calling someone a liar. Get the fuck over yourself. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #254

Remember me, huh? Dawgs Feb 2014 #263

Not really, the platform is against cuts. joshcryer Feb 2014 #221

LOL Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #59

Nobody is whining that Obama finally took Chained CPI off the table. djean111 Feb 2014 #64

Yep. Kinda like being grateful that your spouse didn't poison your coffee after all. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #69

Yep. Kinda like being grateful that your spouse didn't poison your coffee after all. djean111 Feb 2014 #71

But it's a very good and expensive poison. jsr Feb 2014 #75

All the serious, responsible people agree that you should be poisoned. QC Feb 2014 #147

Fiscal responsibility demands it. jsr Feb 2014 #151

So here, drink the coffee now and stop being so selfish. QC Feb 2014 #152

All together now: "THE GREATER GOOD!" (as in Hot Fuzz, the movie) Divernan Feb 2014 #153

Precisely. jsr Feb 2014 #72

That's analogy FAIL. ProSense Feb 2014 #93

+1 progressoid Feb 2014 #123

I'm glad the President has decided not to put chained CPI in his budget this year. stage left Feb 2014 #73

Thank Senator Bernie Sanders mc51tc Feb 2014 #76

My head hurts. democrank Feb 2014 #77

lol. Great analogy! n/t jtuck004 Feb 2014 #81

HAHA, exactly. Many in this thread, that's for sure. nt laundry_queen Feb 2014 #176

full ignore for all of them bobduca Feb 2014 #225

Right! Now it will always be on the table. The pukes will always be shooting for it. It used to Ed Suspicious Feb 2014 #80

Yea, the GOP wasn't shoting for Social Security until Obama. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #89

See the history lesson in comment 107. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #109

how old are you? ellennelle Feb 2014 #94

"what little obama offered was a scruffy little pawn" jsr Feb 2014 #98

uh, no.... ellennelle Feb 2014 #112

I'm glad you find the sacrifice of the poor at the altar of the 1% entertaining jsr Feb 2014 #121

Is it me, or is there a brand new cadre of shiny new user names Maedhros Feb 2014 #214

note who hands out atta-boy's to these new felt-covered personas? bobduca Feb 2014 #227

Who? OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #234

Yeah I should name them specifically right? bobduca Feb 2014 #266

Funny Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #308

You nailed it, beautifully! Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #179

thanks for an excellent post…one of the ones that help make sense of BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #202

Ellen, thanks for posting davidpdx Feb 2014 #249

You're a sad one cali grinch. great white snark Feb 2014 #97

Perhaps if someone explained WHY CCPI won't go anywhere ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #99

good explanation..thank you! BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #201

But it's being ignored ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #210

Yup! truebrit71 Feb 2014 #102

"super dimensional chess" greytdemocrat Feb 2014 #105

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Feb 2014 #106

Carter was the last Democratic President to lower Social Security benefits. ProSense Feb 2014 #107

Your welcome to your own opinion. nt ecstatic Feb 2014 #108

I tried drilling that into there skulls at the time stupidicus Feb 2014 #110

It might be a disease albino65 Feb 2014 #111

Those people will soil themselves screaming from the rafters davidpdx Feb 2014 #253

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Feb 2014 #113

Kick, because yes it has to be explained. Autumn Feb 2014 #116

I'm saying he never intended to go through with the cuts. greiner3 Feb 2014 #118

I used to think the role of a pragmatic progressive was to... RufusTFirefly Feb 2014 #119

Once a dem put it on the table, it will be put on the table again until they take the cleaver to it. CrispyQ Feb 2014 #122

That's the beauty of chess or whatever church members call it. jsr Feb 2014 #125

You just go right on ahead and blame James Earl Carter for that. He did it. Autumn Feb 2014 #128

Well, ProSense Feb 2014 #129

So GW Bush tried to privatize SS JoePhilly Feb 2014 #163

K&R! Phlem Feb 2014 #127

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service LittleBlue Feb 2014 #131

Denigrating chess skills = blasphemy jsr Feb 2014 #135

Well Obama is no Magnus Carlsen. edbermac Feb 2014 #156

they couldn't describe any detail while they were having a case of the vapors Skittles Feb 2014 #186

Is Cali on some groups auto alert list? L0oniX Feb 2014 #209

don't give them ideas. cali Feb 2014 #267

Here: ProSense Feb 2014 #132

It's still ON the table spedtr90 Feb 2014 #137

It's better to be feared by Democrats and loved by Republicans. jsr Feb 2014 #143

This is why there is Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #139

Yep. nt Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #140

hey, dear. some type of social security reform is inevitable Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #150

Why will they happen? fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #164

fleabiscuit rhymes with seabiscuit Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #165

It's genesis. I've been sporting the moniker for some time. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #173

I'll say it again, as I have said it many times before. Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #158

They're ProSense Feb 2014 #174

I was trying to be nice. Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #175

LOL, yes, we LOVE it when Obama is a disappointment. n-t Logical Feb 2014 #184

At the end of the day, Obama, chessmaster, wins. ProSense Feb 2014 #191

He was the one t hat proposed them. No cuts was the default position. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #301

LOL, so when Obama does something right we should praise him, but when he does something wrong.... Logical Feb 2014 #185

Woooosh. Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #187

Yes, your logic exiting the room. n-t Logical Feb 2014 #188

Have you ever been involved in high-end negotiations? Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #193

. ProSense Feb 2014 #190

Exactly. Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #208

And the 250 recs just makes it all that much more absurdly delicious Number23 Feb 2014 #294

+1,000. BHO legitimized hacking away at Social Security and the Safety Net, DEM & GOP alike. blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #177

So that's why Bush tried to privatize SS ... THANKS OBAMA! JoePhilly Feb 2014 #205

I don't get it Loaded Liberal Dem Feb 2014 #181

Hey, Cali! I noticed you're missing from this thread: jazzimov Feb 2014 #189

So there was no risk to offering Chained CPI DJ13 Feb 2014 #244

I think you're making a bigger deal out of it than it is Hippo_Tron Feb 2014 #192

Sometimes the truth is blunt. Good job, keep it up! marble falls Feb 2014 #194

Now, now Cali, if you aren't grateful the budget doesn't include the misguided and stupid policy TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #195

Clearly, ProSense Feb 2014 #199

Relieved and praising are not the same thing, Pro. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #287

He puts SS cuts on the table LiberalElite Feb 2014 #196

“I'll change, I promise” jsr Feb 2014 #198

You are 100% correct on this... ljm2002 Feb 2014 #197

+1000 bobduca Feb 2014 #200

Your post would mean something if evidence mattered to you. HuckleB Feb 2014 #203

thank you for explaining this. As preposterous as it may seem - some people here genuinely Douglas Carpenter Feb 2014 #206

Repetition is key. It makes the idea mainstream and makes eventual cuts inevitable. jsr Feb 2014 #211

"EXACTLY" The mainstream media and the pundits of the "sensible center" have been pushing Douglas Carpenter Feb 2014 #213

You know what's ProSense Feb 2014 #215

then he shouldn't have proposed cuts to Social Security benefits in next years budget and Douglas Carpenter Feb 2014 #222

What are you talking about? n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #223

Top of the Greatest Page. Thank you, Cali. woo me with science Feb 2014 #216

That's correct. Defining the issue in terms of cuts is 100% right-wing. delrem Feb 2014 #218

I would only qualify that by specifying on economic issues the right-wing has achieved total victory Douglas Carpenter Feb 2014 #229

That is why Obama can "evolve" on the cultural issues, Maedhros Feb 2014 #235

Campaign promise kept. joshcryer Feb 2014 #220

It's a great post by cali and a fine analysis. vlakitti Feb 2014 #230

Yes. He did cut social security, as I recall: grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #231

Thank you. nt woo me with science Feb 2014 #239

Just wait until TPP kicks in... pragmatic_dem Feb 2014 #233

It's hard to keep track of which team is in what color uniform anymore. jsr Feb 2014 #236

700K jobs lost due to NAFTA - TBF Feb 2014 #269

Related: Slums of China and India pragmatic_dem Feb 2014 #289

Thank you. It's unbelievable that anyone would even TRY to 'explain' why he has 'taken it off the sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #241

This is funny ProSense Feb 2014 #242

Are you saying Obama was lying?? Are you stating we should not believe him when he sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #243

Not only ProSense Feb 2014 #250

No, I am asking you, because you are the one telling us this President sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #268

Chess my ass, look at this Autumn Feb 2014 #259

Great post from Bvar as usual. I remember the last convoluted chess story re CPI sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #288

+10000000 woo me with science Feb 2014 #298

Chess, look at this: ProSense Feb 2014 #305

Obama's advocacy of SS cuts is not new, it turns out... woo me with science Feb 2014 #314

Chess my ass, look at this Autumn Feb 2014 #259

Even though the Obama we all see and hear meanit Feb 2014 #246

It's no secret: jsr Feb 2014 #264

So what you're saying is you don't like Obama because he's black? Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #251

Don't joke about that. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #255

Let me apologize up front ProSense Feb 2014 #256

Oh, I get it. "Explain"=self-righteous rant. JNelson6563 Feb 2014 #265

Julie..it hurts to see what's going on... KoKo Feb 2014 #316

Yes. aquart Feb 2014 #273

Social Security Reform has always been legitimate, Progressive dog Feb 2014 #274

It's been brought up since FDR. This BS needs to stop. nt kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #281

There is no way to fix this in any system of government nt Progressive dog Feb 2014 #284

i agree.... madrchsod Feb 2014 #277

Thanks for saying so swilton Feb 2014 #280

There are many forms of ODS. Jakes Progress Feb 2014 #282

Not really, only a handful here refuse to get the obvious. Rex Feb 2014 #285

And don't forget that before we were presented with the latest explanation as to why sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #286

Well said. woo me with science Feb 2014 #299

Yep. LWolf Feb 2014 #302

The Spin out there in the MSM/MSNBC, also....is that he Played Superior Chess KoKo Feb 2014 #315