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President Obama's taking the CCPI out of his 2015 Budget because "it's still on the table."
Well ...
Perhaps if someone explained WHY CCPI won't go anywhere ...
And WHY the gop can't take up the carrot And, WHY President Obama (and team) have instituted a great strategy on this issue, people will be less outraged ... I'm pretty certain no one has explained it before. Wait! What? ...
Look at the polling, Democrats and the rest of the Left hate them (the gop); but more importantly, (and Ive written this so many times, all I have to do a push control-V) a solid plurality of Independent voters AND republican voters (a solid majority, when taken together) see the gop as the party unwilling to compromise; and therefore, the reason nothing is getting done in Washington.
In order to flip the House (because of gerrymandering) and expand the Senate in 2014, Democrats need this cohort of Independent voters and republican voters to either: vote Democratic (which is unlikely); to vote 3rd-party (which will reduce the gerrymandering effect, as it will dilute the gop vote more so than the Democratic vote); or to stay home.
Enter President Obamas Budget Proposal that included the CCPI to the Left, its Hair On Fire time because NO REAL DEMOCRAT would ever propose cutting entitlement programs; but look at it from the POV of the target cohort they see President Obama (and by extension, Democrats) as willing to move on entitlements IF the gop is willing to move on taxes (i.e., COMPROMISE). (It is only the Left that is viewing CCPI in isolation). And what is the cohort seeing the gop continuing to refuse to compromise (thats what the polling is saying).
Does this strategy risk, disillusioned Democrats sitting home? Well, yes. And some on the Left are, seemingly, doing everything in their power to make that happen, with their constant President Obama is (and by extension, Democrats are) sell-out devil(s) mantras, without pointing out that President Obama is not running for office, AND by not pointing out what Democrats (that ARE/will be running) are actually saying which goes from Pelosis, Well consider CCPI; BUT ONLY IF the gop GIVES on taxes to Markeys (and the majority of the Democratic Caucsus) Hell NO Leave SS and Medicare alone.
While I, personally, think that the Pelosi/President Obama position is the wiser strategy, 18 months out from the election, as it continues to reinforce what the targeted cohort already believes that the gop is unwilling to compromise, Democrats saying Hell NO! signals that SS and Medicare will not/cannot be touched.
So Message to the Hold em accountable Left and waivering Democrats:
Stop saying/promoting President Obamas Budget Proposal as merely CCPI (and a few other anti-Democratic positions) and help the Democratic Partys cause by, at a minimum, stating what the Democrats in Congress are actually saying!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251304468
In order to flip the House (because of gerrymandering) and expand the Senate in 2014, Democrats need this cohort of Independent voters and republican voters to either: vote Democratic (which is unlikely); to vote 3rd-party (which will reduce the gerrymandering effect, as it will dilute the gop vote more so than the Democratic vote); or to stay home.
Enter President Obamas Budget Proposal that included the CCPI to the Left, its Hair On Fire time because NO REAL DEMOCRAT would ever propose cutting entitlement programs; but look at it from the POV of the target cohort they see President Obama (and by extension, Democrats) as willing to move on entitlements IF the gop is willing to move on taxes (i.e., COMPROMISE). (It is only the Left that is viewing CCPI in isolation). And what is the cohort seeing the gop continuing to refuse to compromise (thats what the polling is saying).
Does this strategy risk, disillusioned Democrats sitting home? Well, yes. And some on the Left are, seemingly, doing everything in their power to make that happen, with their constant President Obama is (and by extension, Democrats are) sell-out devil(s) mantras, without pointing out that President Obama is not running for office, AND by not pointing out what Democrats (that ARE/will be running) are actually saying which goes from Pelosis, Well consider CCPI; BUT ONLY IF the gop GIVES on taxes to Markeys (and the majority of the Democratic Caucsus) Hell NO Leave SS and Medicare alone.
While I, personally, think that the Pelosi/President Obama position is the wiser strategy, 18 months out from the election, as it continues to reinforce what the targeted cohort already believes that the gop is unwilling to compromise, Democrats saying Hell NO! signals that SS and Medicare will not/cannot be touched.
So Message to the Hold em accountable Left and waivering Democrats:
Stop saying/promoting President Obamas Budget Proposal as merely CCPI (and a few other anti-Democratic positions) and help the Democratic Partys cause by, at a minimum, stating what the Democrats in Congress are actually saying!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251304468
And ...
Here let me spell it out for you one more, again
Why it hurts republicans
Republicans demand movement on entitlements President Obama places on the table CCPI the left freaks out (showing that President Obama is acting against his base, i.e., willing to compromise) But the offer comes with a demand for more revenue (something that the left ignores during their freak out) republicans are caught in a pickle; if they accept the CCPI along with the increased revenue, they face a primary challenge because they caved on tax increases AND they are hurt with a significant portion of their mid-term base - the elderly. If they vote against the CCPI, they face a primary because they didnt cut entitlements AND they are hurt with those fed-up republicans and independents that want to see governance, if not compromise, by once again proving the obstructionist label, true. The republicans have, once again, refused to take what they asked for.
Now, why it wont hurt Democrats
Listen to what sitting Democratic legislators are actually saying about CCPI Those in safe districts are saying CCPI? Hell no! Those in purplish districts and the Democratic leadership are saying, CCPI? Well, well think about it (against my bases wishes); but only if the republicans will give in on significant revenue. Republicans will not do the level of revenue required for CCPI to be put to a vote in the House or the Senate, nor will they do sufficient revenue for President Obama to sign the thing into law.
So fear not CCPI is going nowhere except to further damage the republican party.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3904206
Why it hurts republicans
Republicans demand movement on entitlements President Obama places on the table CCPI the left freaks out (showing that President Obama is acting against his base, i.e., willing to compromise) But the offer comes with a demand for more revenue (something that the left ignores during their freak out) republicans are caught in a pickle; if they accept the CCPI along with the increased revenue, they face a primary challenge because they caved on tax increases AND they are hurt with a significant portion of their mid-term base - the elderly. If they vote against the CCPI, they face a primary because they didnt cut entitlements AND they are hurt with those fed-up republicans and independents that want to see governance, if not compromise, by once again proving the obstructionist label, true. The republicans have, once again, refused to take what they asked for.
Now, why it wont hurt Democrats
Listen to what sitting Democratic legislators are actually saying about CCPI Those in safe districts are saying CCPI? Hell no! Those in purplish districts and the Democratic leadership are saying, CCPI? Well, well think about it (against my bases wishes); but only if the republicans will give in on significant revenue. Republicans will not do the level of revenue required for CCPI to be put to a vote in the House or the Senate, nor will they do sufficient revenue for President Obama to sign the thing into law.
So fear not CCPI is going nowhere except to further damage the republican party.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3904206
Maybe folk will listen this time ...
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I think you are confused about the difference between understanding and agreement.
Lasher
Feb 2014
#31
Another point to remember. Social Security recipients vote overwhelmingly Republican. That puts
okaawhatever
Feb 2014
#23
Well....two thrids of Seniors voted Republican in 2012. One Third of Social Security
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2014
#71
And he said they are still on the table, even after he took them out of his budget.
Lasher
Feb 2014
#100
Then President Obama should stop calling for the cuts to SS in his budget negotiations.
Autumn
Feb 2014
#93
I won't argue with what the White House says, the offer remains on the table in event of new talks
Autumn
Feb 2014
#108
Don't you think that standing up for Democratic programs like Social Security is
neverforget
Feb 2014
#22
OK Republicans hate Social Security. How does that make Obama's proposed cuts any less real?
Lasher
Feb 2014
#48
You have no way of knowing that the media will later decide Obama is Social Security's savior.
Lasher
Feb 2014
#52
Obama said SS cuts are still on the table, even though they are not in his budget now.
Lasher
Feb 2014
#56
Just remember that the payroll tax cut also damaged the long term solvency of SS.
grahamhgreen
Feb 2014
#40
Let's not forget the elephant in the room here. SS recipients are now voting majority
okaawhatever
Feb 2014
#25
those are all entitlement programs and not just social security. I looked for the article I read but
okaawhatever
Feb 2014
#38
Here is the USA today results from the 2012 election. It shows Mitt won just over 55%
okaawhatever
Feb 2014
#47
Point being there are other offices, and that Obama in the debates said he and Mitt agreed
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2014
#75
But 'Seniors' and 'Social Security Beneficiaries' are not the same thing. 1/3 of beneficiaries are
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2014
#73
Only 2/3 of Social Security beneficiaries are over 65. One thrid is under 65.
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2014
#76
There is no one to peel, the premise is false no matter how often or stridently repeated.
TheKentuckian
Feb 2014
#50
I've often wondered if President Obama's CPI proposals might be on the sucker bait side.
IrishAyes
Feb 2014
#37
You are correct, but what he should have been advocating was a rise in the COLA formula,
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2014
#74
He didn't kill it but but but he made it fashionable to do so! (wiping froth) Eeeevil!
great white snark
Feb 2014
#102
bullshit. Obama has legitmized the destruction of safty nets. Anything goes now.
bowens43
Feb 2014
#80
I respectfully disagree -- This is how the agenda keeps getting shifted further to the right
Armstead
Feb 2014
#86
No I didn't frame my peception to fit the premise....I'd rather that my premise be wrong
Armstead
Feb 2014
#128
The problem I see with what you're saying is it relies on Republican voters either
Arcanetrance
Feb 2014
#107
You advocated that Chained CPI long and hard, here is my favorite of your Pro Chained CPI posts
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2014
#117
and then there are the posts about "disagreement is not the same as hating"
BlancheSplanchnik
Feb 2014
#142