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41. This is simply

Fri Feb 21, 2014, 01:44 AM

Feb 2014

"This is where Obama has done lasting damage to the Democratic Party brand.

When someone asks you for reasons to vote Democratic, one of them is because Democrats stand up for domestic social programs like Social Security, right? Now what will we tell them when they say Obama wanted to cut Social Security and Republicans wouldn't go along with it?"

...inaccurate. Republicans have been trying to destroy Social Security for decades. This is not new. How on earth does attempting to negotiate with Republicans, who are unwilling to budge, resulting in the proposal being pulled do "lasting damage to the Democratic Party brand"?

I mean, what Obama did isn't new, and he certainly hasn't cut Social Security, unlike past Presidents.

Carter was the last Democratic President to lower Social Security benefits.
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There seems to be DU angst regarding ... [View all] 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 OP

No real Democrat would ever propose cutting entitlement programs? Lasher Feb 2014 #1

Did you read and/or think ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #3

I read what was written and I understand what you're trying to say. Lasher Feb 2014 #4

"I just don't disagree with this pretzel logic" ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #7

Well said Isoldeblue Feb 2014 #2

I initially posted this more than a year ago ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #5

solid work there Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #6

The funny thing ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #8

It's not just new revenue, but a poverty exception, too joshcryer Feb 2014 #9

Just like DADt treestar Feb 2014 #10

why did he offer it up in the first place? frwrfpos Feb 2014 #11

Because ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #13

There was no reason to offer it up in the first place frwrfpos Feb 2014 #16

Because GOP said "we need entitlement reform before... Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #17

Thank you! ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #21

I think you are confused about the difference between understanding and agreement. Lasher Feb 2014 #31

The post an argument against it ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #64

It's there to read in this very thread. Lasher Feb 2014 #88

Okay, let's take this step by step ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #89

Yes, but that's not what we're talking about. Lasher Feb 2014 #96

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #103

That doesn't mean Obama didn't propose the cuts. He did. Lasher Feb 2014 #110

Obama should have told the repukes to fuck off frwrfpos Feb 2014 #24

Or, ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #65

+1 JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #85

Thank you. n/t whathehell Feb 2014 #105

Another point to remember. Social Security recipients vote overwhelmingly Republican. That puts okaawhatever Feb 2014 #23

Well....two thrids of Seniors voted Republican in 2012. One Third of Social Security Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #71

BINGO! ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #72

It's like when Obama offered to end payroll tax cuts in MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #12

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #14

It's brilliant! A Democrat offers up a "cut" on Social Security neverforget Feb 2014 #15

GOTV 2014 and then we win elections.....or something Autumn Feb 2014 #19

And it would be a shame ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #90

Oh, you mean telling the truth? Glitterati Feb 2014 #91

There is no truth in that ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #95

Frankly, I don't give a damn what you think Glitterati Feb 2014 #97

And he said they are still on the table, even after he took them out of his budget. Lasher Feb 2014 #100

Of course he did Glitterati Feb 2014 #101

So you are typing to yourself? ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #109

Quite frankly, I don't care how he and you justified it Glitterati Feb 2014 #115

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #122

Lather, rinse, repeat JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #126

Then President Obama should stop calling for the cuts to SS in his budget negotiations. Autumn Feb 2014 #93

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #98

I won't argue with what the White House says, the offer remains on the table in event of new talks Autumn Feb 2014 #108

I agree. Lifelong Protester Feb 2014 #119

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #20

Don't you think that standing up for Democratic programs like Social Security is neverforget Feb 2014 #22

This is where Obama has done lasting damage to the Democratic Party brand. Lasher Feb 2014 #34

This is simply ProSense Feb 2014 #41

OK Republicans hate Social Security. How does that make Obama's proposed cuts any less real? Lasher Feb 2014 #48

Yes, it ProSense Feb 2014 #51

You have no way of knowing that the media will later decide Obama is Social Security's savior. Lasher Feb 2014 #52

I think ProSense Feb 2014 #53

I've seen it already. That comes up in the search I suggested for you. Lasher Feb 2014 #55

What ProSense Feb 2014 #57

Ha ha, this is starting to get kinda funny. Lasher Feb 2014 #59

And hopefully ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #69

I called it: ProSense Feb 2014 #83

This cut or "strategy", chess if you like, is dumb beyond words. neverforget Feb 2014 #44

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #66

trust us! we'd never sell you out because we're politicians. neverforget Feb 2014 #125

Nor do I ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #127

he makes more right than wrong decisions but this neverforget Feb 2014 #129

I disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #130

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #94

No one wants their Social Security cut, not even TeaPubliKlans. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #46

No, ProSense Feb 2014 #18

Why are you changing the subject? nt okaawhatever Feb 2014 #26

"It's like when Obama offered to end payroll tax cuts in" ProSense Feb 2014 #27

You have to stop posting proof so quick, ProSense. joshcryer Feb 2014 #30

Yeah. Still, the funny thing ProSense Feb 2014 #33

It is a good thing that Obama took it out of the budget. joshcryer Feb 2014 #35

Obama said SS cuts are still on the table, even though they are not in his budget now. Lasher Feb 2014 #56

Sure, rhetoric. joshcryer Feb 2014 #62

Just remember that the payroll tax cut also damaged the long term solvency of SS. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #40

No it didn't. It was fully paid for. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #45

Kinda. But in not gonna fight about this cuz I approve of the direction grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #121

That's incorrect. Here are the numbers ProSense Feb 2014 #123

Um, no, it was in exchange for unemployment benefits. joshcryer Feb 2014 #29

Let's not forget the elephant in the room here. SS recipients are now voting majority okaawhatever Feb 2014 #25

"SS recipients are now voting majority Republican." joshcryer Feb 2014 #32

I'd like to see that link too. Lasher Feb 2014 #36

those are all entitlement programs and not just social security. I looked for the article I read but okaawhatever Feb 2014 #38

Democrats do better in the 70s-80s though. joshcryer Feb 2014 #43

Here is the USA today results from the 2012 election. It shows Mitt won just over 55% okaawhatever Feb 2014 #47

Please find it. joshcryer Feb 2014 #54

And Obama vs. Mitt does not equal Democratic vs. Republican Lasher Feb 2014 #58

Everyone else was a rounding error in 2012 though. joshcryer Feb 2014 #63

Point being there are other offices, and that Obama in the debates said he and Mitt agreed Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #75

Yes. Gore warned people with the lockbox. joshcryer Feb 2014 #79

But 'Seniors' and 'Social Security Beneficiaries' are not the same thing. 1/3 of beneficiaries are Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #73

Don't leave out widows, either Glitterati Feb 2014 #77

Only 2/3 of Social Security beneficiaries are over 65. One thrid is under 65. Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #76

And MANY are children with a deceased parent Glitterati Feb 2014 #78

There is no one to peel, the premise is false no matter how often or stridently repeated. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #50

You're wrong, but even if you're not..... Glitterati Feb 2014 #82

Mahalo for all the analyses, Cha Feb 2014 #28

I've often wondered if President Obama's CPI proposals might be on the sucker bait side. IrishAyes Feb 2014 #37

It was ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #111

Let's remember Obama DID CUT SOCIAL SECURITY, as I recall.... grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #39

No, Obama had nothing to do with that. Lasher Feb 2014 #60

You are correct, but what he should have been advocating was a rise in the COLA formula, Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #74

That's right. Lasher Feb 2014 #87

Thank you for stopping the trial balloon ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #112

I'm just sorry that I missed your original post MrScorpio Feb 2014 #42

Haters will continue to hate...cause, that's what jaysunb Feb 2014 #49

wow, you really are buying into that crap? Seriously? bowens43 Feb 2014 #81

Everything is B.S. ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #113

LOL, I get it, 8 dimensional chess shit again! n-t Logical Feb 2014 #135

Thank you, my friend. GOTV 2014. KnR. Hekate Feb 2014 #61

While I do feel the negatives outweight the positives.... NCTraveler Feb 2014 #67

Thank you ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #114

Considering that anything that Obama is for madokie Feb 2014 #68

The Combustible Hair Club decided a long time ago ... JoePhilly Feb 2014 #70

He didn't kill it but but but he made it fashionable to do so! (wiping froth) Eeeevil! great white snark Feb 2014 #102

yup ... as if GW Bush wasn't pushing privitization long before JoePhilly Feb 2014 #104

Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #116

bullshit. Obama has legitmized the destruction of safty nets. Anything goes now. bowens43 Feb 2014 #80

Exactly Glitterati Feb 2014 #84

Oh ProSense Feb 2014 #92

Oh bullshit back at you. great white snark Feb 2014 #99

GW Bush would have never tried to privitize Social Security JoePhilly Feb 2014 #106

I respectfully disagree -- This is how the agenda keeps getting shifted further to the right Armstead Feb 2014 #86

Never have so many words been used to be so wrong about this Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #118

No I didn't frame my peception to fit the premise....I'd rather that my premise be wrong Armstead Feb 2014 #128

The problem I see with what you're saying is it relies on Republican voters either Arcanetrance Feb 2014 #107

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #120

You advocated that Chained CPI long and hard, here is my favorite of your Pro Chained CPI posts Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #117

I think you have reading comprehension issues ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #124

It's the opposite of good policy. Orsino Feb 2014 #131

Well, glad you asked ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #132

Seems someone agrees with me ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #133

Want links of people who disagree? nt Logical Feb 2014 #136

Sure ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #137

8 dimensional chess syndrome! nt Logical Feb 2014 #139

Is that a link ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #140

No, it is a disease some here have. nt Logical Feb 2014 #141

thanks 1. I'm glad you made it an OP. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #134

Apparently ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #138

and then there are the posts about "disagreement is not the same as hating" BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #142