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JDPriestly

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39. Actually ---
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 04:05 AM
Feb 2014

Q. Who actually wrote the Constitution?
A. In none of the relatively meager records of the Constitutional Convention is the literary authorship of any part of the Constitution definitely established. The deputies debated proposed plans until, on July 24, 1787, substantial agreement having been reached, a Committee of Detail was appointed, consisting of John Rutledge, of South Carolina; Edmund Randolph, of Virginia; Nathaniel Gorham, of Massachusetts; Oliver Ellsworth, of Connecticut; and James Wilson, of Pennsylvania, who on August 6 reported a draft which included a Preamble and twenty-three articles, embodying fifty-seven sections. Debate continued until September 8, when a new Committee of Style was named to revise the draft. This committee included William Samuel Johnson, of Connecticut; Alexander Hamilton, of New York; Gouverneur Morris, of Pennsylvania; James Madison, of Virginia; and Rufus King, of Massachusetts, and they reported the draft in approximately its final shape on September 12. The actual literary form is believed to be largely that of Morris, and the chief testimony for this is in the letters and papers of Madison, and Morris's claim. However, the document in reality was built slowly and laboriously, with not a piece of material included until it has been shaped and approved. The preamble was written by the Committee of Style.

Q. Who was the penman who, after the text of the Constitution had been agreed on, engrossed it prior to the signing?
A. Jacob Shallus who, at the time, was assistant clerk of the Pennsylvania State Assembly, and whose office was in the same building in which the Convention was held.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_q_and_a.html

At the convention he gave more speeches than any other delegate, a total of 173. As a matter of principle, he often vigorously defended the right of anyone to practice his chosen religion without interference, and he argued to include such language in the Constitution.[9]

Gouverneur Morris was one of the few delegates at the Philadelphia Convention who spoke openly against domestic slavery. According to James Madison who took notes at the Convention, Morris spoke openly against slavery on August 8, 1787:

He [Gouverneur Morris] never would concur in upholding domestic slavery. It was a nefarious institution. It was the curse of heaven on the states where it prevailed. Compare the free regions of the Middle States, where a rich & noble cultivation marks the prosperity & happiness of the people, with the misery & poverty which overspread the barren wastes of Va. Maryd. & the other States having slaves. ... Proceed southwardly, and every step you take, through the great regions of slaves, presents a desert increasing with the increasing proportion of these wretched beings.

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The admission of slaves into the Representation when fairly explained comes to this: that the inhabitant of Georgia and S. C. who goes to the Coast of Africa, and in defiance of the most sacred laws of humanity tears away his fellow creatures from their dearest connections & damns them to the most cruel bondages, shall have more votes in a Govt. instituted for protection of the rights of mankind, than the Citizen of Pa. or N. Jersey who views with a laudable horror, so nefarious a practice.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gouverneur_Morris

Gouverneur was Morris' first name. He was no god. He believed that only property owners should vote.

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God told me he didn't write it. CJCRANE Feb 2014 #1
Yep, me too! CTyankee Feb 2014 #18
Wait just a minute. What channel did you get God on? nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #35
I dunno...she just "tunes in" to me... CTyankee Feb 2014 #47
Tell me you didnt give her your credit card info. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #58
She already has it. She has yours, too... CTyankee Feb 2014 #66
Goddess made credit cards They_Live Feb 2014 #103
Naw, she just knows everything...I guess that makes god a "busybody"! CTyankee Feb 2014 #104
Second story I read today that should be from The Onion. Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #2
Says the exterminator who gave it to his termites in Congress jsr Feb 2014 #3
Hey Tom, your fantasy does not make it fact!!!! nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #4
What a nitwit. n/t A HERETIC I AM Feb 2014 #5
Yeah, God was really big on "freedom of religion" jberryhill Feb 2014 #6
James Madison is God? exboyfil Feb 2014 #7
You beat me to it. First though that entered my mind. Nanjing to Seoul Feb 2014 #41
Same Here ProfessorGAC Feb 2014 #53
No, but James Mason is! kentauros Feb 2014 #72
No, God was a committee with Gouverneur Morris as chair. yellowcanine Feb 2014 #75
Gouverneur Caretha Feb 2014 #92
Tom Delay keeps forgetting to go to prison FiveGoodMen Feb 2014 #8
Wait! Didn't She also write the Qur'an? IggleDoer Feb 2014 #9
Looks like he forgot to sign off on it Zambero Feb 2014 #10
There'd be a few differences if God would have written it jmowreader Feb 2014 #11
The people insisted on the Bill of Rights. merrily Feb 2014 #98
in what language tommy boy? spanone Feb 2014 #12
This Fiction Has Gotten Out Of Hand colsohlibgal Feb 2014 #13
He's right--if by "God" he means "James Madison". Arkana Feb 2014 #14
Actually --- JDPriestly Feb 2014 #39
Madison was by far not the only drafter. merrily Feb 2014 #100
I'm well aware. Arkana Feb 2014 #110
Both statements are wrong. merrily Feb 2014 #111
That would explain why slavery is allowed in the original Constitution. earthside Feb 2014 #15
It is extremely difficult SamKnause Feb 2014 #16
This is what happens when you huff bug spray Blue Owl Feb 2014 #17
........... trusty elf Feb 2014 #57
DUzy! Coyotl Feb 2014 #65
Sorry Tommy. sheshe2 Feb 2014 #19
he's confusing it with the 15 commandments eShirl Feb 2014 #20
And that whole "3/5ths of a person" thing? Not God's best moment, IMHO hatrack Feb 2014 #21
Time To Disabuse Mr. DeLay ---> napkinz Feb 2014 #22
+ a whole bunch! Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2014 #29
It's unbelievable how ridiculous these religious right wingers are! YOHABLO Feb 2014 #38
Well done, napkinz! Enthusiast Feb 2014 #44
I was several years too young to vote when Goldwater ran. My liberal parents thought he was maddiemom Feb 2014 #90
Furthermore ... napkinz Feb 2014 #23
+1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast Feb 2014 #45
You have got to be effing kidding me. stevenleser Feb 2014 #24
he might be thinking of Canada Enrique Feb 2014 #25
Imagine Madison's surprise. nt Deep13 Feb 2014 #26
And God sent me an email saying that Tom DeLay was a clueless asshole. edbermac Feb 2014 #27
I believe that. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #46
Those Enlightenment Deists would be amused by this claim. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #28
DeLay Criminal and Schizophrenic.............. PumpkinAle Feb 2014 #30
I was wondering who said that Nanjing to Seoul Feb 2014 #43
Why isn't this mfker in jail? butterfly77 Feb 2014 #31
bobblehead of God JI7 Feb 2014 #32
Somebody needs to tape this criminal's mouth shut. Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #33
Oh... 3catwoman3 Feb 2014 #34
God spoke. "Tom, thou shall not bear false witness! I did not write the US Constitution!" The Wielding Truth Feb 2014 #36
I knew God wasn't as infallible as some claim. Coyotl Feb 2014 #64
He's right. I DO keep forgetting that! OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #37
God said Tom Delay is full of shit. Cha Feb 2014 #40
And people don't keep forgetting that Tom Delay is a criminal. ananda Feb 2014 #42
She forgot to even mention herself in it. idendoit Feb 2014 #48
I'm old enough to remember a time when this would have been laughed off the national stage deutsey Feb 2014 #49
I remember too Caretha Feb 2014 #93
Yep, with a #2 pencil. Amiright, Tom? tanyev Feb 2014 #50
So God was in support of slavery and women not voting? Botany Feb 2014 #51
That was certainly what male clergy had long been saying. merrily Feb 2014 #99
It begs the question why He didn't write it correctly first time. Gore1FL Feb 2014 #52
Tom must have missed. deathrind Feb 2014 #54
Gotta e-mail from Zeus, and he holds the copyright Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #55
Explains a lot about what is wrong with this nation. nt kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #56
"become a secular government" Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #59
Ted Cruz' dad told him that...nt freebrew Feb 2014 #60
"It ain't getting any smarter out there, people." ~Frank Zappa --nt CrispyQ Feb 2014 #61
So does that mean James Madison is god? Initech Feb 2014 #62
No, Gouverneur Morris. Madison was just a helper elf. yellowcanine Feb 2014 #74
And the Devil wrote the Republican Party rule book! Coyotl Feb 2014 #63
Funny, I never thought god was the shy retiring type NastyRiffraff Feb 2014 #67
If he had, he would have written it on stone tablets. Rozlee Feb 2014 #68
Wut? sakabatou Feb 2014 #69
Men wrote both the constitution and the bible malaise Feb 2014 #70
Just like people who think that the King James Bible... mwooldri Feb 2014 #105
Did God also write Roe v Wade, which has been found constitutional? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #71
Gouverneur Morris was GAWD? yellowcanine Feb 2014 #73
God also created Twister... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #76
According to Juanita Jean, Tom DeLay is planning on returning to Congress Gothmog Feb 2014 #77
Did he ever have to report to prison? Or was that conveniently avoided? I never heard. nt silvershadow Feb 2014 #78
No, he did no time. Jim Lane Feb 2014 #94
Stupid claims like this Token Republican Feb 2014 #79
it's true 2pooped2pop Feb 2014 #80
So should one of us tell DeLay that God is black? Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #81
couple of things ... napkinz Feb 2014 #82
Thomas Jefferson and John Adams are rolling over in their graves. nt valerief Feb 2014 #83
Why Didn't God Sign the Document? stuartsdesk1 Feb 2014 #84
Tom DeLay forgot RoccoR5955 Feb 2014 #85
Step away from the Johnny Walker, Tom ladym55 Feb 2014 #86
Was it in pencil or pen, perhaps iPad? JaneyVee Feb 2014 #87
I was recently wondering "whatever happened to the charming Tom Delay?" maddiemom Feb 2014 #88
people keep forgetting it because you just Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #89
wow Agony Feb 2014 #91
Did god write the constitution on the 5th or 6th day? npk Feb 2014 #95
I think someone needs to send the paddy wagon without de-lay davidpdx Feb 2014 #96
Tom DeLay... just trying to be relevant among the... NYtoBush-Drop Dead Feb 2014 #97
It's surprising to me how dumb he is. cheapdate Feb 2014 #101
keep the cap on father founding Feb 2014 #102
a must read ... napkinz Feb 2014 #106
So DeLay Would Have Fought On The Side Of The British In The Revolutionary War DallasNE Feb 2014 #107
... napkinz Feb 2014 #108
Treaty of Tripoli jorgebob28 Feb 2014 #109
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