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In reply to the discussion: I just have to give this a thread of its own. I am flabbergasted. hate for the President is [View all]JustAnotherGen
(37,856 posts)80. I hate that we had to
Subsidize crop insurance. That's what it came down to. . .
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/09/republicans-we-were-too-nice-to-the-hungry.html
Republicans hate domestic spending, but their hatred is not completely indiscriminate. Some programs offend them more, and others less. The general pattern is that social programs offend Republicans to the degree that they benefit the poor, sick, or otherwise unfortunate. The struggle over the farm bill is not the biggest policy dispute in American politics, but it is the one that most clearly reveals the priorities and ideological identity of the contemporary GOP.
The farm bill traditionally combines agriculture subsidies (which hands out subsidies to people on the arbitrary basis that the business they own produces food as opposed to some other goods or services) with food stamps (which hands out subsidies to people on the highly nonarbitrary basis that theyre poor enough to likely have trouble scraping together regular meals). Conservative Republicans revolted against the normally automatic passage, insisting that the cuts to food stamps $20 billion did not slice deeply enough. Last night the House rectified its failure by cutting food stamps by $40 billion.
The putative rationale for the food-stamp cuts is that eligibility standards have loosened, or that it encourages sloth. Jonathan Cohn makes quick work of these claims, and the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities makes long, detailed work of them. Click on those links if you want a blow-by-blow refutation. The upshot is that food stamps are a meager subsidy, of less than $1.40 per meal, for people either stuck in very low paid jobs or unable to find work at all. Their cost has increased because the recession has increased the supply of poor, desperate people. Republicans have offered specious comparisons to welfare reform, but that law both offered funds for job training and was passed in a full-employment economy. Neither of these conditions holds true of the GOPs food-stamp cuts, whose only significant result would be the first-order effect of making very poor people hungrier.
CNN reported last night that Agriculture Committee Chairman Frank Lucas, a Republican supporter of the bill, received a daily meal allowance of $127.41, or 91 times the average daily food-stamp benefit. Lucas is also notable as a recipient of the agriculture subsidies his committee doles out: He and his wife have collected more than $40,000 worth.
The farm bill traditionally combines agriculture subsidies (which hands out subsidies to people on the arbitrary basis that the business they own produces food as opposed to some other goods or services) with food stamps (which hands out subsidies to people on the highly nonarbitrary basis that theyre poor enough to likely have trouble scraping together regular meals). Conservative Republicans revolted against the normally automatic passage, insisting that the cuts to food stamps $20 billion did not slice deeply enough. Last night the House rectified its failure by cutting food stamps by $40 billion.
The putative rationale for the food-stamp cuts is that eligibility standards have loosened, or that it encourages sloth. Jonathan Cohn makes quick work of these claims, and the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities makes long, detailed work of them. Click on those links if you want a blow-by-blow refutation. The upshot is that food stamps are a meager subsidy, of less than $1.40 per meal, for people either stuck in very low paid jobs or unable to find work at all. Their cost has increased because the recession has increased the supply of poor, desperate people. Republicans have offered specious comparisons to welfare reform, but that law both offered funds for job training and was passed in a full-employment economy. Neither of these conditions holds true of the GOPs food-stamp cuts, whose only significant result would be the first-order effect of making very poor people hungrier.
CNN reported last night that Agriculture Committee Chairman Frank Lucas, a Republican supporter of the bill, received a daily meal allowance of $127.41, or 91 times the average daily food-stamp benefit. Lucas is also notable as a recipient of the agriculture subsidies his committee doles out: He and his wife have collected more than $40,000 worth.
Direct Link to the House Agriculture Committee:
https://agriculture.house.gov/bill/agricultural-act-2014
Bill Summary - http://agriculture.house.gov/sites/republicans.agriculture.house.gov/files/pdf/legislation/AgriculturalActSummary.pdf
Repeals Direct Payments and limits producers to risk management tools that offer protection when they suffer significant losses.
Limits on payments are reduced, eligibility rules are tightened, and means tests are streamlined to make farm programs more accountable.
Strengthens crop insurance, a successful public/private partnership that ensures farmers invest in their own risk management.
Provides historic reforms to dairy policy by repealing outdated and ineffective dairy programs. Offers producers a new, voluntary, margin protection program without imposing government-mandated supply controls.
Reauthorizes and strengthens livestock disaster assistance.
Supports small businesses and beginning farmers and ranchers with training and access to capital.
And what really sucks about this? There is now zero transparency about who 'wins'. You know? Like all of those Republican legislators from rural districts - oh like - I don't know - the Dishonorable Frank Mr. Lucas with his $40K in handouts. And I highly doubt small family farms and upstarts are going to receive a thin red cent from this.
The Republicans will do anything they can to cheat me when I pay my taxes.
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I just have to give this a thread of its own. I am flabbergasted. hate for the President is [View all]
kelliekat44
Feb 2014
OP
But the facts do matter. Food stamp cuts are going to be reversed...just pay attention. nt
kelliekat44
Feb 2014
#6
Expanding that was the first stimulus. in 2010, ppl sat on their ass, are reaping that.
freshwest
Feb 2014
#216
Veto the bill, cut all the food stamps off, and SS and the ACA. Default. Guess that's okay for some.
freshwest
Feb 2014
#217
Yes. it's becoming more obvious everyday. Too bad they aren't honest enough to say so. n/t
freshwest
Feb 2014
#228
A veto this time would have hurt many more people. And guess who would have been screaming here? n
kelliekat44
Feb 2014
#138
Yep, I came to DU from a mixed RW-LW website to find some of them were here, too.
freshwest
Feb 2014
#238
Vetoing that bill would have created an economic crisis the likes of which the world has never seen.
Ikonoklast
Feb 2014
#230
OMG. Yes, it's true. An expired farm bill would have led to skyrocketing food prices
JaneyVee
Feb 2014
#45
I think milk would be $12+ a gallon without our gov. keeping reins on the dairy industry
Sunlei
Feb 2014
#227
The bill funding food stamps was a continuing resolution. It had an expiration date. (nt)
jeff47
Feb 2014
#39
Funny how all the things he can't chessmaster out of are thing s that fuck the poor, innit?
Scootaloo
Feb 2014
#203
Yep. He always has the words, rhetoric, and fight in him for things benefiting the 1%.
GoneFishin
Feb 2014
#212
The farm bill leveled the playing field. Why should children in certain states be
okaawhatever
Feb 2014
#142
the 'left' cannot collectively claim to 'have obama's back' as long as it collectively ignores the
certainot
Feb 2014
#146
Yes true. Funding for food stamps was in a continuing resolution that expired. (nt)
jeff47
Feb 2014
#37
We have the Senate and the WH. Imagine if Republicans had that kind of power!
sabrina 1
Feb 2014
#29
Exactly, and some people just don't want to get it. They prefer to think
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#56
Easier than looking in the mirror. Complaining and not voting tin 2010 did this. n/t
freshwest
Feb 2014
#218
Yep. Voting is very important. It scares me to think some do not vote. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#236
Then I think he should say exactly why he did what he did and whose fault it was.
pangaia
Feb 2014
#143
It's called a CR. Not signing it means default. Remember what would have happened the last time?
freshwest
Feb 2014
#220
And please don't change the focus of my original OP. That tactic is one used by the GOP
kelliekat44
Feb 2014
#13
So many people running around with with a little bit of knowledge about this and that..
Cha
Feb 2014
#197
I'm not so sure that was pretty good. Able to express it without even mentioning a politician or
TheKentuckian
Feb 2014
#192
Except that Democrats voted in 2010. The base turned out. The reason why we lost was
neverforget
Feb 2014
#219
No, Obama has not cut them twice. Stop lying. The stimulus expired. It was a temporary
okaawhatever
Feb 2014
#139
Please don't tell lies about the President. He didn't vote to cut food stamps twice.
okaawhatever
Feb 2014
#155
You think he should have vetoed the bills? Apparently YOU don't care about unemployed people,
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#178
He is pragmatic. Just watch the next two years... nt. We all have something to bemoan
kelliekat44
Feb 2014
#10
Never mind Obama. I see "future President" written on Chelsea's face and in her demeanor.
Wilms
Feb 2014
#18
Don't fall the reframe here. My original post is what i want to focus on. Thanks for your comments
kelliekat44
Feb 2014
#17
What was the focus of your OP? When I see the word 'hate' being thrown around I think of
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2014
#70
I worked hard to elect him and I'm thrilled with many things he has done along with LGBT
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2014
#191
So what caused the 'hatred' for Bush? I didn't hate him either, but his policies, which
sabrina 1
Feb 2014
#48
Oh, I remember 2000 and I remember why I despised Republicans. Loathing is not
sabrina 1
Feb 2014
#98
Your HIV reference is very much in need of context, as is you preaching on prejudice. You:
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2014
#77
Except that these people have been voting against their own interests long before Obama came on the
kelliekat44
Feb 2014
#137
"Pro-life" voters, many willing to gun down doctors and blow up abortion clinics...
SMC22307
Feb 2014
#165
What would life be like if Bill Clinton hadn't signed the Modernization Act of 1999
valerief
Feb 2014
#93
Now it's everybody, so it matters more than when it was just us or gay people being screwed.
bravenak
Feb 2014
#188
Then you'll have to take that cork out of your head and study up on what's really has been
Cha
Feb 2014
#196
Statements like this show the transition from Republican lite to Republican regular
TheKentuckian
Feb 2014
#166
they get most upset when Obama doesn't do the horrible thing they kept saying he would
JI7
Feb 2014
#204
Does anyone actually believe that if there was a Democratic majority in Congress...
Walk away
Feb 2014
#119
I think you don't really know who posts on this site now. And surely you exxagerate when you say
kelliekat44
Feb 2014
#141
Lockstep worship of a person never does any good. What we stand for here at DU
NRaleighLiberal
Feb 2014
#147
In a democracy, it is the peoples' responsibility to hold public servants accountable.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Feb 2014
#149
Long thread and no one seems to want to deal with the OP. Sad. Another hijacked thread. nt
kelliekat44
Feb 2014
#213