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alarimer

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86. Criticism does not equal hate.

Fri Feb 21, 2014, 01:21 PM

Feb 2014

Yes, there is actual hate, but it comes from the right. I do not wish to minimize that.

However, every time there is substantive criticism of Obama's policies (some of which actually are Bush's policies, held over, whether you choose to acknowledge that or not), such criticism is equated to hate, which is absurd.

My vote and support is ENTIRELY dependent on what they do and say during the campaign as well as what they do after being elected. I do not and will not simply vote for someone because they happen to have a D after their name. And that includes the president.

For me, Obama has been mostly disappointing. I would not vote for him again, given the opportunity. But that doesn't mean I hate him. I don't like him much as a politician. As a person, I'm sure he's nice enough.

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I just have to give this a thread of its own. I am flabbergasted. hate for the President is [View all] kelliekat44 Feb 2014 OP

I have NEVER voted for cuts to food stamps Glitterati Feb 2014 #1

That was forced on him by the House temper tantrums rbrnmw Feb 2014 #2

You're excuses simply don't matter. Glitterati Feb 2014 #3

But the facts do matter. Food stamp cuts are going to be reversed...just pay attention. nt kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #6

No, grasping for FOOD, thankyouverymuch Glitterati Feb 2014 #8

Obama has a Cheerleading Squad? Demisall Feb 2014 #59

Welcome to DU lark Feb 2014 #151

Oh yeah AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #158

What have you done to fix things in our economy so that people can eat? bravenak Feb 2014 #87

Expanding that was the first stimulus. in 2010, ppl sat on their ass, are reaping that. freshwest Feb 2014 #216

So I guess it's totally Obama's fault? EC Feb 2014 #107

The President didn't make it worse. The GOP did that. nt kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #12

No, ma'am Glitterati Feb 2014 #14

Thank you.....n/t whathehell Feb 2014 #24

You're welcome Glitterati Feb 2014 #26

I know, but whathehell Feb 2014 #180

+1 deutsey Feb 2014 #34

You know darn good and well the buck stops at Autumn Feb 2014 #42

Bullcrap!! bravenak Feb 2014 #91

Veto the bill, cut all the food stamps off, and SS and the ACA. Default. Guess that's okay for some. freshwest Feb 2014 #217

It's insane because it is ok for some. great white snark Feb 2014 #226

Yes. it's becoming more obvious everyday. Too bad they aren't honest enough to say so. n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #228

Here is a list of vetoes by President. Maedhros Feb 2014 #127

Clinton should have at least had 38... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #211

A veto this time would have hurt many more people. And guess who would have been screaming here? n kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #138

This must be the time when the blinders go on and Demisall Feb 2014 #176

hmm where was it I saw the term obamabot??? rbrnmw Feb 2014 #181

He learned it here rbrnmw. Quick study don't ya think! sheshe2 Feb 2014 #206

+1 nt Demisall Feb 2014 #225

Yep, I came to DU from a mixed RW-LW website to find some of them were here, too. freshwest Feb 2014 #238

LOL Skittles Feb 2014 #231

Yes, that's common. Thanks for seeing that. n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #239

Vetoing that bill would have created an economic crisis the likes of which the world has never seen. Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #230

+1 nt Demisall Feb 2014 #233

my children and I are in really bad shape because of the cuts rbrnmw Feb 2014 #16

Your blinders are hurting your children Glitterati Feb 2014 #20

If he didn't sign it NO ONE would be getting food stamps. JaneyVee Feb 2014 #22

Not true Glitterati Feb 2014 #23

The farm bill expired after 5 years, it wouldn't have been an immediate JaneyVee Feb 2014 #27

Simply not true. Glitterati Feb 2014 #28

OMG. Yes, it's true. An expired farm bill would have led to skyrocketing food prices JaneyVee Feb 2014 #45

MILK Only Glitterati Feb 2014 #54

Because dairy products are not used in a massive variety of other food. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2014 #73

don't look now... grasswire Feb 2014 #174

I think milk would be $12+ a gallon without our gov. keeping reins on the dairy industry Sunlei Feb 2014 #227

Really why do you insist on being wrong. olegramps Feb 2014 #90

No, the old law had an expiration date written into it. jeff47 Feb 2014 #32

Not true Glitterati Feb 2014 #36

The bill funding food stamps was a continuing resolution. It had an expiration date. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2014 #39

And the CR would have been renewed Glitterati Feb 2014 #41

Nope. It ended in January. jeff47 Feb 2014 #47

And if they HADN'T come to a budget deal, it WOULD BE RENEWED Glitterati Feb 2014 #53

Yeah, just like it was when there was a government shutdown. jeff47 Feb 2014 #55

Soo....explain this, please Glitterati Feb 2014 #58

Because I'm talking about food stamps, not "skyrocketing food prices". jeff47 Feb 2014 #67

Wow. Just. Wow. Glitterati Feb 2014 #78

And that's utterly irrelevant to that post. jeff47 Feb 2014 #85

man...you are an obstinate one aren't you? EC Feb 2014 #116

"magic unicorn dust" ??? mikeysnot Feb 2014 #154

You have absolutely no basis for such a claim. olegramps Feb 2014 #105

What was the date? former9thward Feb 2014 #60

Sometime in January for the last CR. jeff47 Feb 2014 #71

That's the same BS reasoning we were given as to why we had to pay criminals jtuck004 Feb 2014 #117

Funny how all the things he can't chessmaster out of are thing s that fuck the poor, innit? Scootaloo Feb 2014 #203

Yep. He always has the words, rhetoric, and fight in him for things benefiting the 1%. GoneFishin Feb 2014 #212

That's always the excuse. Marr Feb 2014 #215

The farm bill leveled the playing field. Why should children in certain states be okaawhatever Feb 2014 #142

It not an excuse, but rather the fact of the matter. olegramps Feb 2014 #88

Agree with you 100% ann--- Feb 2014 #131

the 'left' cannot collectively claim to 'have obama's back' as long as it collectively ignores the certainot Feb 2014 #146

were you old enough to vote for obama the first time? certainot Feb 2014 #164

Here are all of the senate democrats... cheapdate Feb 2014 #223

OR...he could have vetoed it....even if the margins weren't in his snappyturtle Feb 2014 #7

And thus food stamps go to zero. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2014 #30

Not. true. Glitterati Feb 2014 #33

Yes true. Funding for food stamps was in a continuing resolution that expired. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2014 #37

And that would have given him a chance to take it to the American people. Autumn Feb 2014 #52

Bascially "yes" but his veto would have been over ridden anyway snappyturtle Feb 2014 #76

We have the Senate and the WH. Imagine if Republicans had that kind of power! sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #29

Usual excuse upaloopa Feb 2014 #49

Exactly, and some people just don't want to get it. They prefer to think Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #56

Easier than looking in the mirror. Complaining and not voting tin 2010 did this. n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #218

Yep. Voting is very important. It scares me to think some do not vote. nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #236

So he gave into the hostage takers. zeemike Feb 2014 #109

Then I think he should say exactly why he did what he did and whose fault it was. pangaia Feb 2014 #143

he's the most powerful man in the world. Other presidents were surrounded roguevalley Feb 2014 #152

That is EXACTLY it... not getting the unemployment numbers down first. SMC22307 Feb 2014 #183

Total economic collapse if he didn't cut food stamps? AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #157

It's called a CR. Not signing it means default. Remember what would have happened the last time? freshwest Feb 2014 #220

Facts don't matter to Cha Feb 2014 #193

Wrong, ProSense Feb 2014 #4

I'll say this again.. Cha Feb 2014 #194

And please don't change the focus of my original OP. That tactic is one used by the GOP kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #13

Oh honey, that IS the debate Glitterati Feb 2014 #15

Republicans wanted $40Billion in food stamp cuts, Democrats wanted none. JaneyVee Feb 2014 #21

Please quit repeating that lie Glitterati Feb 2014 #25

Food stamps were being funded by the continuing resolutions that also expired. jeff47 Feb 2014 #35

No bill, more CRs Glitterati Feb 2014 #38

You mean the CR that is now expired? jeff47 Feb 2014 #44

More CRs Glitterati Feb 2014 #46

Nope. Budget deal reached in December. No more CRs. jeff47 Feb 2014 #51

More unicorm magic dust Glitterati Feb 2014 #66

Because hurling insults isn't changing reality? jeff47 Feb 2014 #69

Here's what is insulting.... Glitterati Feb 2014 #75

And where, exactly, is the hate you claim? jeff47 Feb 2014 #82

Did you read the subject line of the OP? Glitterati Feb 2014 #92

Boy, you're reaching very far. jeff47 Feb 2014 #179

it is an election year your Democratic bashing is wrong rbrnmw Feb 2014 #84

So accusing Democrats of hating a Democratic President Glitterati Feb 2014 #97

you are bashing the POTUS on a thread rbrnmw Feb 2014 #103

you keep throwing out "Unicorn Magic Dust" Sheepshank Feb 2014 #89

Nicely said....nt CaliGal Feb 2014 #163

I would suggest that you are devoid of the facts. olegramps Feb 2014 #100

Yes, it would have remained in effect, but not replacing it would have JaneyVee Feb 2014 #40

One product. Milk Glitterati Feb 2014 #43

Milk, produce, dairy, meat. JaneyVee Feb 2014 #50

Oh good! Price rollbacks coming!!!!!! Glitterati Feb 2014 #62

Just Milk. former9thward Feb 2014 #64

The Farm bill expired and was extended Progressive dog Feb 2014 #63

So many people running around with with a little bit of knowledge about this and that.. Cha Feb 2014 #197

You ain't starving!! bravenak Feb 2014 #96

ROFL, I didn't say I was Glitterati Feb 2014 #104

You care enough to blame the president. bravenak Feb 2014 #106

ROFL, making up more facts to suit your agenda Glitterati Feb 2014 #112

I'm on food stamps. bravenak Feb 2014 #186

I hope this is sarcasm rbrnmw Feb 2014 #111

It's not. It's called desperation. Glitterati Feb 2014 #115

You are not simply disagreeing. bravenak Feb 2014 #189

I think the shoe does fit davidpdx Feb 2014 #221

No it's not! bravenak Feb 2014 #187

Yeah, we get a lot of that "magical unicorn thinking" around Cha Feb 2014 #198

The ODS is so strong up in here, I can taste the bitterness. bravenak Feb 2014 #201

Republican lite turns Republican regular with logic just like this TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #160

Blaming the president for everything. bravenak Feb 2014 #185

I'm not so sure that was pretty good. Able to express it without even mentioning a politician or TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #192

You need to break that down for me. bravenak Feb 2014 #195

OFFS Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #57

Correct. Lotta ignorant, screeching hysteria, though. aquart Feb 2014 #79

and many are telling folks to stay home in 2014 too. rbrnmw Feb 2014 #129

Oh really? Well they won't be around here during election time.. Cha Feb 2014 #200

Thank you for posting that Cha! nt sheshe2 Feb 2014 #207

Yeah, Cha Feb 2014 #208

Bingo! sheshe2 Feb 2014 #210

Except that Democrats voted in 2010. The base turned out. The reason why we lost was neverforget Feb 2014 #219

You won't get a response laundry_queen Feb 2014 #224

I know. Sometimes the truth is neverforget Feb 2014 #234

The head screecher even showed up in the thread to grace us with davidpdx Feb 2014 #222

Exactly. n/t FSogol Feb 2014 #126

It sounds like you don't understand how leftynyc Feb 2014 #81

Bernie Sanders voted for those same cuts. nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #94

Stop bringing in inconvenient truths. nt kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #140

No, Obama has not cut them twice. Stop lying. The stimulus expired. It was a temporary okaawhatever Feb 2014 #139

Please don't tell lies about the President. He didn't vote to cut food stamps twice. okaawhatever Feb 2014 #155

But your working on it ,right. Whose next? Al Jazerra. bahrbearian Feb 2014 #169

You think he should have vetoed the bills? Apparently YOU don't care about unemployed people, pnwmom Feb 2014 #178

I don't hate President Obama but I think his economic policies largely favor cali Feb 2014 #5

He is pragmatic. Just watch the next two years... nt. We all have something to bemoan kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #10

Never mind Obama. I see "future President" written on Chelsea's face and in her demeanor. Wilms Feb 2014 #18

Watch the next two years? I remember last year hearing the upaloopa Feb 2014 #68

Lot's more at the link! sheshe2 Feb 2014 #209

Pragmatic means ann--- Feb 2014 #134

That's ProSense Feb 2014 #11

Don't fall the reframe here. My original post is what i want to focus on. Thanks for your comments kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #17

What was the focus of your OP? When I see the word 'hate' being thrown around I think of Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #70

Obama is the most pro-LGBT President in history... Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #99

I worked hard to elect him and I'm thrilled with many things he has done along with LGBT Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #191

His economic policies largely favor the wealth and corporations and cali Feb 2014 #9

I'm with you. "Hatred" or "love" for a politician is irrelevant. Maedhros Feb 2014 #135

ODS born out of ingrained racism has got a LOT to do with it, kelliekat. BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #19

So what caused the 'hatred' for Bush? I didn't hate him either, but his policies, which sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #48

Weren't you around in December 2000? How can you, as a Democrat, forget? BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #72

Oh, I remember 2000 and I remember why I despised Republicans. Loathing is not sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #98

Oh please, ProSense Feb 2014 #74

Dem's keep the Senate and re-take the house Iliyah Feb 2014 #102

Simplistic. What caused the "hatred" for Clinton? Carter? SMC22307 Feb 2014 #61

EXCUSE Me?? rbrnmw Feb 2014 #95

Well, one was accused of murder; another, um assassinated. SMC22307 Feb 2014 #144

And you dare call MY post simplisitic when yours is so superficial BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #108

Yes, SIMPLISTIC. SMC22307 Feb 2014 #148

Your HIV reference is very much in need of context, as is you preaching on prejudice. You: Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #77

Don't forget GeeGee. QC Feb 2014 #121

Do they really think that's clever? SMC22307 Feb 2014 #162

In fairness, most junior high children would find it screamingly funny QC Feb 2014 #168

I missed that thread, thankfully. SMC22307 Feb 2014 #170

There were many, many such threads. QC Feb 2014 #172

Wow, that's pretty pitiful. SMC22307 Feb 2014 #177

"Gay marriage is for me unthinkable," SMC22307 Feb 2014 #156

that's the way hypocrites think Skittles Feb 2014 #232

Except that these people have been voting against their own interests long before Obama came on the kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #137

"Pro-life" voters, many willing to gun down doctors and blow up abortion clinics... SMC22307 Feb 2014 #165

You are correct. nt kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #173

I take issue with your 2naSalit Feb 2014 #31

You never thought you'd see the day when the US was fighting unions? SMC22307 Feb 2014 #65

I hate that we had to JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #80

Critcizm = hate? Got it. progressoid Feb 2014 #83

Nailed it. beerandjesus Feb 2014 #124

Silly silly Puglover Feb 2014 #159

Criticism does not equal hate. alarimer Feb 2014 #86

What would life be like if Bill Clinton hadn't signed the Modernization Act of 1999 valerief Feb 2014 #93

Not to mention welfare reform. bravenak Feb 2014 #101

Exactly JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #110

Now it's everybody, so it matters more than when it was just us or gay people being screwed. bravenak Feb 2014 #188

I voted for "Hope" and "Change" corkhead Feb 2014 #113

Then you'll have to take that cork out of your head and study up on what's really has been Cha Feb 2014 #196

I am not blaming Obama corkhead Feb 2014 #235

The regulars on DU routinely attacking Obama are miserable souls Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #114

"Some of their personal hardships are their own damn fault"? rbrnmw Feb 2014 #118

It means what I said. I'm not going to detail Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #122

... Phlem Feb 2014 #123

Agreed. progressoid Feb 2014 #130

lol! Phlem Feb 2014 #133

Take it! progressoid Feb 2014 #150

Wow, I guess I should have expected the "bootstraps" meme to start bullwinkle428 Feb 2014 #153

Statements like this show the transition from Republican lite to Republican regular TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #166

Most Dems in the U.S. would agree Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #214

they get most upset when Obama doesn't do the horrible thing they kept saying he would JI7 Feb 2014 #204

Does anyone actually believe that if there was a Democratic majority in Congress... Walk away Feb 2014 #119

I know your topic got derailed JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #120

yet everybody on this site voted for him at least once Phlem Feb 2014 #125

I think you don't really know who posts on this site now. And surely you exxagerate when you say kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #141

Did I say now? Phlem Feb 2014 #145

No, we do t get what we vote for. They lie:) grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #128

I always vote for the best candidate that has a chance of winning in general Zorra Feb 2014 #131

I don't see 840high Feb 2014 #136

Lockstep worship of a person never does any good. What we stand for here at DU NRaleighLiberal Feb 2014 #147

In a democracy, it is the peoples' responsibility to hold public servants accountable. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #149

Obama gave 140 characters worth of union support. OnyxCollie Feb 2014 #161

What are you talking about? Can you give us a clue? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #167

I would like to know too. I've never heard of Obama being against unions. Rex Feb 2014 #175

When our best hope is also part of the problem... Orsino Feb 2014 #171

Stop equating "hate" with disagreement and/ or criticism. whathehell Feb 2014 #182

+1. It's a credibility-destroyer, as far as I'm concerned. n/t winter is coming Feb 2014 #190

Yes it is. Thanks. n/t whathehell Feb 2014 #205

Iirc, you're "flabbergasted" Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #184

More false flag hair on fire bull shit! L0oniX Feb 2014 #199

Next time I will bring a bigger bowl nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #202

Long thread and no one seems to want to deal with the OP. Sad. Another hijacked thread. nt kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #213

people asked what you are talking about regarding unions Enrique Feb 2014 #229

Why not join the BOG? They might agree with you. L0oniX Feb 2014 #237