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rhett o rick

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245. Thank you for the decent response. I also came to DU to have decent

Fri Feb 21, 2014, 03:49 PM

Feb 2014

debates on the issues. I am sorry if my questions came off as a purity test. My concern is not with what your ideology is but whether you are here to enter discussions or here to merely seek one-upsmanship.

We must assure ourselves that this trade agreement is not evil. From the parts I've read about and according to people I believe in like Alan Grayson, I am worried. We cant wait until it's passed to fight back. I would rather error on the side of over reacting against it than under reacting. I dont believe it's very democratic or Democratic to negotiate this secretly from our elected representatives. Although both my Democratic Senators seem to favor it.

We need specific programs to bolster the middle and lower classes and I dont for a second believe that can or should be done in secret by major corporations. Their driving goal is to make profits whether or not it harms the 99%.

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Breaking: Obama To Drop Social Security Cuts In His Budget [View all] ProSense Feb 2014 OP

A President that is listening to his base?! Tyranny! JaneyVee Feb 2014 #1

That's a very interesting question. Those that I concider as "his base" were supporting his rhett o rick Feb 2014 #5

Reminder "His Base" are called "Democrats" ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2014 #74

Thank you! eom DonViejo Feb 2014 #78

+1 eom. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #115

Ah yes. Anyone that calls themselves a Democrat is just alright with you. That's the test. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #140

Wish I could rec this. (nt) malokvale77 Feb 2014 #181

Well done! JJChambers Feb 2014 #146

The President is smarter than all of us. I knew he was going to do this...master player. nt kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #213

HOW is using the "chained CPI" a "cut"? Please explain that. George II Feb 2014 #111

The same way ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #118

bullshit. absolute bullshit. cali Feb 2014 #122

They think if "in their mind" they are convinced that it isnt a cut, then it isnt. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #138

See my post below, #84, which demonstrates that over the last 38 years... George II Feb 2014 #147

But .. But ... But ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #159

You didn't explain how it's a cut, you just ran from the question....with that I have to ditto... George II Feb 2014 #144

You missed my point ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #158

It's been explained ad nauseam. I am sorry do cant grasp the explanation. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #136

Can you direct me to one of those "ad nauseam" explanations? That's what I get.... George II Feb 2014 #143

So are you saying that using the Chained CPI wouldnt cut benefits to SS recipients? rhett o rick Feb 2014 #153

But YOU are saying its a cut but apparently don't want to say how. Alan Grayson isn't... George II Feb 2014 #174

I am guessing you dont give a crap about our seniors but supporting whatever Obama does is more rhett o rick Feb 2014 #188

Sure I "give a crap about our seniors", I AM one....yet you're still not willing or.... George II Feb 2014 #189

Just because you are a senior doesnt mean that loyalty isnt more important. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #193

Ahem shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #203

What do you mean? Mojorabbit Feb 2014 #41

This^^^ passiveporcupine Feb 2014 #62

Yes but the headline says he dropped it zeemike Feb 2014 #112

SS recipients aren't his base. SS recipients vote 61% Republican. That's the rub. That's why okaawhatever Feb 2014 #168

You can keep saying that but using cuts as bait is not what I expect a Dem President to do. Mojorabbit Feb 2014 #169

And that's part of the problem. You should ask these organizations why they aren't sending you okaawhatever Feb 2014 #170

Why should they send me that when our President has Mojorabbit Feb 2014 #172

I don't think seniors are in the dark in terms of proposed cuts and the effects of said cuts. I okaawhatever Feb 2014 #175

Thank you. (nt) malokvale77 Feb 2014 #182

Good! Except offering Social Security cuts as a "favor" pisses me off, mightily. djean111 Feb 2014 #2

First ProSense Feb 2014 #7

And 'tax revenue' discussions include big oil revenue.. YvonneCa Feb 2014 #97

Bingo (nt) malokvale77 Feb 2014 #183

Lol. Always. Always. When in doubt, attack Obama Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #8

I am not in doubt of any damned thing. djean111 Feb 2014 #13

Wow. You just blew my mind. Absence is not presence. Things change, MAN Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #15

No, it's politics pure and simple. It was also a move I appreciated. Republs are screaming for cuts okaawhatever Feb 2014 #34

+1 JoePhilly Feb 2014 #47

I have pointed this out since the 1st time it was offered ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #121

Those people know the truth, and I don't think they are serious Democrats. I think they're trolls okaawhatever Feb 2014 #125

You are way off base on this. malokvale77 Feb 2014 #186

Putin made him do it!!! JoePhilly Feb 2014 #3

All hail Putin. The clear winner here. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #9

So you are disappointed that he dumped cutting SS and Medicare? I'm not surprised. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #10

I have said repeatedly, that Obama was never going to cut Social Security. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #17

Absolutely. The line in the press release about including it in last years budget because it was okaawhatever Feb 2014 #38

During all your "over and over" did you once state that you did not support a cut rhett o rick Feb 2014 #44

Yes, because I also do not support such cuts ... what else ya got? JoePhilly Feb 2014 #45

That's refreshing. Now do I dare ask if you support the TPP? nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #48

What does that have to do with Obama's evil plan to kill SS? JoePhilly Feb 2014 #64

Thank you. I couldn't have said it better. :) n/t YvonneCa Feb 2014 #106

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #129

If he moves the goal posts often enough.... Sheepshank Feb 2014 #134

Reasonable. Thanks. lumpy Feb 2014 #171

Well said. zappaman Feb 2014 #230

Thank you for the decent response. I also came to DU to have decent rhett o rick Feb 2014 #245

At least he is dropping the cut he never offered which isn't really a cut if he was offering it.... Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2014 #12

Or ... JoePhilly Feb 2014 #20

Yes i guess some of us aren't able to follow that ol' 27th dimension chess Armstead Feb 2014 #35

I'm guessing you are not very good at chess. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #43

I didn't say HE wanted the cuts...Just willing to make them Armstead Feb 2014 #87

Ahhh ... but the President is under no obligation to accept JoePhilly Feb 2014 #96

Whatever...I'm just glad to see them gone for now, and I hope they stay gone Armstead Feb 2014 #100

I think the reality is ... JoePhilly Feb 2014 #103

Perhaps if someone explained WHY CCPI won't go anywhere ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #149

Naaaaa. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #150

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #154

yup Skittles Feb 2014 #80

The president isn't definitively taking the idea off the table. Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #4

I am starting to think that that sentence is not visible to some. djean111 Feb 2014 #16

"and perhaps more importantly it solidifies the framing of 'SS is a deficit issue'" woo me with science Feb 2014 #102

Well put. malokvale77 Feb 2014 #187

He'll leave the carrot out until (a) he leaves office, or (b) the GOP tries to take JoePhilly Feb 2014 #22

Do you know what percentage of SS recipients vote Republican? nt okaawhatever Feb 2014 #40

As Grumpy Cat would say... sakabatou Feb 2014 #6

Thanks for posting. Are you pleased with the news or not? nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #11

Translation: He's temporarily removing, during an election year, the ax *he* suspends over our heads woo me with science Feb 2014 #14

Translation ProSense Feb 2014 #18

Only temporarily. So I haz a sad, too! djean111 Feb 2014 #19

Well, ProSense Feb 2014 #23

no one is sad he took cuts off the table laundry_queen Feb 2014 #21

Yeah, ProSense Feb 2014 #26

I put that because some here think we don't have a memory. laundry_queen Feb 2014 #32

I was ProSense Feb 2014 #33

LOL. Ok. nt laundry_queen Feb 2014 #37

He took them off the table. But they remain on the table, in event of new budget talks. Autumn Feb 2014 #28

No, ProSense Feb 2014 #31

Yes. You enjoy your happy that the CPI is off the table when it isn't Autumn Feb 2014 #39

You know ProSense Feb 2014 #42

Enjoy whatever it is you do, because you don't have much else to work with Autumn Feb 2014 #51

This ProSense Feb 2014 #56

I'm very happy it's taken off for 2015. That is unless the pukes decide to have more talks Autumn Feb 2014 #59

If Obama doesn't make these cuts ... it undermines their ... JoePhilly Feb 2014 #27

It's why ProSense Feb 2014 #46

YUP ... remember ... "he didn't really want to end DADT" either. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #50

Not to mention..... Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #133

Took it off the table? zeemike Feb 2014 #123

That's ProSense Feb 2014 #124

Obama has been president now five years. When the next debate happens, it'll be six... Drunken Irishman Feb 2014 #52

+1 Marr Feb 2014 #60

WillyT nails it. It's Monty Python at this point. woo me with science Feb 2014 #66

Oooh, a thread for ProSense Feb 2014 #73

Perhaps if someone explained WHY CCPI won't go anywhere ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #156

Thank you Mr. President :) philosslayer Feb 2014 #24

K&R. Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #25

So Obama will finally stop cutting Social Security? Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #29

Thanks Obama! Cha Feb 2014 #36

Very Glad To Hear It, Ma'am The Magistrate Feb 2014 #30

It is not clear sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #49

Yes, I'm ProSense Feb 2014 #54

Taxation is one thing sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #58

Yes, taxation takes a big cut out of people's benefits. ProSense Feb 2014 #71

I am glad he dropped it. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #53

We've been told for 3 years that Obama was committed to gutting Social Security. Hoyt Feb 2014 #55

He's just trying to trick us. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #65

LOL. He must be. Hoyt Feb 2014 #89

K & R Iliyah Feb 2014 #57

When has President Obama Sassysdad Feb 2014 #61

Impossible. You already assured us they weren't *on* the table. /nt Marr Feb 2014 #63

LOL! ProSense Feb 2014 #68

You're kidding, right? /nt Marr Feb 2014 #70

No. Blue linky? n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #72

I was told it wasn't a cut. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #67

Who told you that? ProSense Feb 2014 #69

You are well aware of who. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #76

Yeah, ProSense Feb 2014 #79

Now that is how to get behind the idea of cuts to SS. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #92

Oh please, ProSense Feb 2014 #98

There is a serious flaw in your thought process. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #105

No ProSense Feb 2014 #107

I love this!!!! NCTraveler Feb 2014 #109

Finally, you're happy. LOL! n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #113

I've pointed this out several times before, but no one seems to want to acknowledge reality.... George II Feb 2014 #75

so.....Democratic of him Skittles Feb 2014 #77

Makes me proud Skittles. Autumn Feb 2014 #81

sorry Skittles Feb 2014 #85

I'm sorry too. I hit post before I hit the Autumn Feb 2014 #94

I hear you Skittles Feb 2014 #95

It's temporary, though! woo me with science Feb 2014 #82

I'm still never going to vote for him again! L0oniX Feb 2014 #240

yes: I am a "hater" who.......voted for him twice Skittles Feb 2014 #246

Good. Thanks for posting... YvonneCa Feb 2014 #83

Here we go - a comparison of the historic COLA vs. "chained CPI" - note the result!!! George II Feb 2014 #84

I know, but all they see is CUTS Iliyah Feb 2014 #108

If anything they should call them "lower INCREASES"!!! (which would be false too...) George II Feb 2014 #110

Boehner, an ProSense Feb 2014 #86

LOL Iliyah Feb 2014 #104

Are we supposed to celebrate this? kentuck Feb 2014 #88

I am. ProSense Feb 2014 #91

NO way ... JoePhilly Feb 2014 #99

Just kidding, Joe Philly... kentuck Feb 2014 #128

Yay!!!! progressoid Feb 2014 #141

Hey ProSense Feb 2014 #145

Maybe we should start a new list because he would rightly fit in the ranks of Democratic Presidents NorthCarolina Feb 2014 #241

Finally! But this was like pulling teeth, and it shouldn't have been. reformist2 Feb 2014 #90

Yes! Now you're talking! another_liberal Feb 2014 #93

Stockholm Syndrome makes an excellent metaphor. woo me with science Feb 2014 #117

You're taking this much too hard. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #119

President again links SS cuts to the deficit. woo me with science Feb 2014 #132

Breaking: No SS cuts in the budget. ProSense Feb 2014 #137

Point taken. another_liberal Feb 2014 #126

Nice!! TBF Feb 2014 #101

good. that doesn't excuse his having been willing to use it in that callous way as cali Feb 2014 #114

cali I just want to thank you for this OP you have posted. Autumn Feb 2014 #127

oh thanks, autumn. back at you. cali Feb 2014 #139

I know, right ProSense Feb 2014 #148

There's call outs and then there's call outs Autumn Feb 2014 #151

The absolute best thing about this ProSense Feb 2014 #157

You betcha! Autumn Feb 2014 #161

Senator Sanders' statement ProSense Feb 2014 #116

Now the cry baby sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #120

It is nice to see the POTUS listening to his liberal supporters. Rex Feb 2014 #130

and now we can both say.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #131

You mean Social Security cuts were in his original budget? Maedhros Feb 2014 #135

I know. Good thing he took it out, right? n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #142

Good gopiscrap Feb 2014 #152

K&R Coyotl Feb 2014 #155

Here's ProSense Feb 2014 #160

Great! Why the hell did he support them in the first place? JHB Feb 2014 #162

Because he knew Republicans were really smart. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #163

He didn't know the Republicans would play "block everything" with him.. JHB Feb 2014 #164

Well then, we're lucky to have these Republicans. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #165

Have a day, ProSense JHB Feb 2014 #166

He dared the GOP to try and touch the carrot. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #198

There's a simpler way to handle that... JHB Feb 2014 #207

Our own are up in arms all the time. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #208

That's a facinating viewpoint JHB Feb 2014 #236

Feel free. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #237

Bernie Sanders letter eridani Feb 2014 #167

Thank you Bernie. 840high Feb 2014 #173

Cuts to the Social Safety Net and your EARNED Social Security should <<never>> have been on the chop blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #176

Obama ProSense Feb 2014 #178

I'm curious... malokvale77 Feb 2014 #190

You misunderstand ProSense Feb 2014 #191

No Pro... malokvale77 Feb 2014 #194

Well, if ProSense Feb 2014 #195

Just what I thought. malokvale77 Feb 2014 #196

What? n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #197

Suddenly dense? malokvale77 Feb 2014 #199

Yeah, enlighten me. Spill the beans. ProSense Feb 2014 #200

Iwill enlighten you with your favorite response... malokvale77 Feb 2014 #201

. ProSense Feb 2014 #202

You are a bit,,, malokvale77 Feb 2014 #204

I'm celebrating no cuts to Social Security. ProSense Feb 2014 #205

The anger was from the suggested cuts. malokvale77 Feb 2014 #210

LOL! ProSense Feb 2014 #211

Are you advocating dumping... malokvale77 Feb 2014 #212

No, ProSense Feb 2014 #217

Your continued disdain is noted. malokvale77 Feb 2014 #218

Breaking: Obama To Drop Social Security Cuts In His Budget ProSense Feb 2014 #220

Gee Pro... malokvale77 Feb 2014 #222

Yikes! ProSense Feb 2014 #224

Pro... malokvale77 Feb 2014 #227

LOL ProSense Feb 2014 #228

hmm malokvale77 Feb 2014 #229

LoL ProSense Feb 2014 #231

True Colors... malokvale77 Feb 2014 #232

You ProSense Feb 2014 #233

would that be the thing that was part of so many overactive imaginations stupidicus Feb 2014 #177

It's gone. ProSense Feb 2014 #179

is that emoticon use a passive/aggressive thing? stupidicus Feb 2014 #206

No, ProSense Feb 2014 #209

thanks for conceding your emoticon effort was stupid and dishonest stupidicus Feb 2014 #243

It was that thing that so many with "overactive imaginations" worked very hard to prevent eridani Feb 2014 #215

I love success stupidicus Feb 2014 #242

That is wishful thinking. If he didn't want it in his budget, why was it on the table? eridani Feb 2014 #247

what we have here, is a failure to communicate stupidicus Feb 2014 #248

So he thinks the New Deal was a shitty idea? eridani Feb 2014 #249

when was the last time a President's budget proposal ProdigalJunkMail Feb 2014 #180

there never were any such cuts Enrique Feb 2014 #184

Obama under fire for backtracking on trims to Social Security ProSense Feb 2014 #185

so they admit 'chained CPI' is a cut, and they're taking it out of the budget proposal magical thyme Feb 2014 #192

Good news. pacalo Feb 2014 #214

Wait . . . so now you are CONCEDING that he supported those cuts? markpkessinger Feb 2014 #216

Here: ProSense Feb 2014 #219

yep, as do the majority around here I am sure stupidicus Feb 2014 #244

This thread make my head hurt. nt Stardust Feb 2014 #221

Good, we need a break from the pursuit of the absurd in the pursuit of the stupid. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #223

The only words that matter: "The president isn't definitively taking the idea off the table..." pragmatic_dem Feb 2014 #225

Better late than never. Fearless Feb 2014 #226

about time. However will believe it when he vetoes anything with it in it. on point Feb 2014 #234

The president needs to take the idea of chained CPI off the table definitively. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #235

K&R. Yes please! Overseas Feb 2014 #238

"Obama was also facing a rebellion among liberals" Just liberals??? Yea right! L0oniX Feb 2014 #239