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53. I do not see dressing up to impress other women

Sat Feb 22, 2014, 02:45 AM

Feb 2014

as objectification since the women are not treating them as objects and that is not the goal.

Impressing your coworkers or sisters or female bosses or students with your taste in textiles, or flare with color is not about attracting attention, but more about communicating that one is sensitive to nuance, texture, form and visual beauty. It is more about expressing intelligence and or depth. It is a non verbal communication that is not about impressing to be attractive in a sexual way, but as a way to express individuality and who one is.

I do not think that I am doing a good job at all of articulating what I have observed. And who knows if my observations are valid- they are what I think and what I think other women have expressed.

I am rural and people dress up in their clean clothes when they go to the city, but not sexual clothes or sexy clothes. As I said, I do not think many people actually do this. But perhaps it is regional. I am out west. Maybe we are a more pragmatic group.

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For those women who think objectifying women as sex objects is OK [View all] Tumbulu Feb 2014 OP

I don't think it is ok. n/t Agschmid Feb 2014 #1

The problem is that the phrase "objectifying" doesn't actually mean anything. Bonobo Feb 2014 #2

Cake. As in piece of cake. LuvLoogie Feb 2014 #3

OMG, I've never seen this mainer Feb 2014 #77

Gotta love Lucy Lawless LuvLoogie Feb 2014 #119

Hi mom! DeadEyeDyck Feb 2014 #108

It is reducing a woman's worth to the size/quality of her breasts and other physical attributes hlthe2b Feb 2014 #4

I know what you THINK it means, but how do you mean "reduce"? Bonobo Feb 2014 #7

Your attitude and professed lack of understanding says more about you hlthe2b Feb 2014 #12

Fly off the handle that easily all the time or just today? nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #17

Interesting post. /nt Marr Feb 2014 #41

Well Bonobo, ignorance requires education, lest it lead to permanant stupidity. Let me help. Scootaloo Feb 2014 #66

I find your education lacking, so let me fill in the blanks Major Nikon Feb 2014 #71

This is absolutely HILARIOUS coming from you, Scootaloo ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2014 #307

Actually, my right-wing friend... Scootaloo Feb 2014 #309

Ah, you're lying as usual, Scootaloo ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2014 #312

I agree with you Lucinda Feb 2014 #116

Only in your mind, does it reduce a woman's worth. phleshdef Feb 2014 #172

Bull shit.. Just because YOU have not experienced the repercussions of this kind of attitude hlthe2b Feb 2014 #198

I'm not man splaining anything phleshdef Feb 2014 #204

No, you are being insulting. hlthe2b Feb 2014 #209

stop getting all butthurt because of blaring holes in your logic phleshdef Feb 2014 #211

Iwill not have someone who uses ugly homophobic language try to tell me how to perceive hlthe2b Feb 2014 #214

Butthurt is not a homophobic term, not even in the slightest phleshdef Feb 2014 #219

Skinner addressed this in ATA hlthe2b Feb 2014 #224

Yea, did you read what he said? He AGREES with me. phleshdef Feb 2014 #225

He indicated he had learned something and would no longer use. hlthe2b Feb 2014 #227

No, he indicated that he changed his post in order because someone took it the wrong way. phleshdef Feb 2014 #229

Oh my. RBStevens Feb 2014 #238

of course I know that phleshdef Feb 2014 #247

What I'm saying is that some people RBStevens Feb 2014 #249

No I don't. It was a joke. phleshdef Feb 2014 #285

Oh so "it was a joke"? RBStevens Feb 2014 #291

Yea, and everything is "belittling" when you're such a god damn political emo. phleshdef Feb 2014 #315

Call me square, but I never did understand what "emo" means. RBStevens Feb 2014 #316

Ahhh, Spring! hlthe2b Feb 2014 #242

This message was self-deleted by its author phleshdef Feb 2014 #218

Change this to race, such as a President Aerows Feb 2014 #207

OMG Skittles Feb 2014 #233

Note the earlier conversation... hlthe2b Feb 2014 #235

What about gay men objectifying men? Or Lesbians Objectifying Women? TampaAnimusVortex Feb 2014 #272

If either have or are allowed to become a systematic method of discrimination hlthe2b Feb 2014 #277

Of course... everyone has... TampaAnimusVortex Feb 2014 #295

You seem to (like many others) be confusing gender attraction in relationships with professional hlthe2b Feb 2014 #296

Your straw man is pretty obvious... TampaAnimusVortex Feb 2014 #314

It isn't saying men shouldn't desire women kcr Feb 2014 #8

I don't think it belonged in GD either for what it's worth. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #10

Thank you. eShirl Feb 2014 #68

Just answer my question Bonobo, are you one of these women Tumbulu Feb 2014 #15

I'll try to answer, Tumbulu. Bonobo Feb 2014 #19

OK, here is the thing, Tumbulu Feb 2014 #25

I don't think the two things are as separate as you make them out to be. Bonobo Feb 2014 #30

I see a very big difference between dressing to feel good Tumbulu Feb 2014 #37

With all due respect, I think you didn't read my response carefully enough. Bonobo Feb 2014 #40

Well, I am sorry to have not understood you Tumbulu Feb 2014 #47

But the SI cover is not normal life. It is a commercial enterprise to sell magazines and soap. Bonobo Feb 2014 #51

I do not see dressing up to impress other women Tumbulu Feb 2014 #53

Exactly JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #256

Thank you! Tumbulu Feb 2014 #284

Perhaps most people don't dress to ATTRACT, but rather... Beartracks Feb 2014 #60

Because "objectifying" is NOT just about attraction. Bonobo Feb 2014 #62

I think you are right about that! Tumbulu Feb 2014 #63

Hold the phone. Fundamental and massive failure here. yewberry Feb 2014 #67

No. TM99 Feb 2014 #109

I'm not conflating anything. yewberry Feb 2014 #155

Indeed yes you are. TM99 Feb 2014 #156

Sorry, that's some seriously funny stuff. yewberry Feb 2014 #157

We are eye level adults. TM99 Feb 2014 #306

Actually, I'm not sure we are. yewberry Feb 2014 #308

Correcting in a debate is not equivalent to silencing, TM99 Feb 2014 #310

Exceptional post. nt Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #255

The real issue is that the SI cover doesn't belong on a political website pnwmom Feb 2014 #72

Yes it does... if only for the topic to discuss gender wars DontTreadOnMe Feb 2014 #201

Oh man. Radical Fundamentalism? RBStevens Feb 2014 #212

Discussion is fine... trying to ban images is "radical" DontTreadOnMe Feb 2014 #221

Okay so now discussing the issue of sexual objectification RBStevens Feb 2014 #226

Where did I say I was trying to ban them? I was trying to encourage people to think. pnwmom Feb 2014 #250

You think it's fine for people to post objectifying T & A photos pnwmom Feb 2014 #248

^this^ perfect! JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #245

Actually it has been defined, but I don't think those who promote the idea would like who defined it Major Nikon Feb 2014 #82

I don't think you know the definition gollygee Feb 2014 #87

Yes, objectifying means treating something like an object. DanTex Feb 2014 #90

but but but but boston bean Feb 2014 #95

It's sad so many of us women... seattledo Feb 2014 #5

I'm just going to share these quotes here: redqueen Feb 2014 #111

+1000 JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #292

That second quote is fantastic. Thanks. n/t MadrasT Feb 2014 #300

Objectification starts early and can never end for either gender ... MindMover Feb 2014 #6

Babies expect their parents to feed them. Bonobo Feb 2014 #9

Across the board ... MindMover Feb 2014 #14

Nope, you missed the point. Bonobo Feb 2014 #16

I have been a Buddhist from before you were a twinkle in your fathers eyes ... MindMover Feb 2014 #20

Strange thing to say Bonobo Feb 2014 #26

To that degree of separation lay the seeds of mankind's destruction or salvation ... MindMover Feb 2014 #35

Depending on what seeds one wants to sow Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #239

I am referring to degrees of separation ... MindMover Feb 2014 #280

In what you are describing JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #293

Please answer my question, and don't switch it around. Tumbulu Feb 2014 #18

I do not think that they see "objectifying" as the concrete, all-encompassing thing that some do. Bonobo Feb 2014 #22

Why are there dumb blonde jokes ???? MindMover Feb 2014 #23

Only minority it's still "safe" to tell jokes about Fumesucker Feb 2014 #65

Nietsche said that the only time sex doesn't rear it's ugly head leftyladyfrommo Feb 2014 #125

And the jury results are in... aikoaiko Feb 2014 #11

does this include cats? snooper2 Feb 2014 #13

and ponies and furries, too. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #21

A question - If a woman wasn't offended by the SI cover, does that mean... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #24

Well, it sure makes me puzzled Tumbulu Feb 2014 #27

I think it was about three scantily clad models on a beach... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #31

Violet, Squinch Feb 2014 #80

Hi Squinch. I've just woken up, so I hope my answers make sense... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #180

I appreciate the responses. I also remember the Squinch Feb 2014 #189

You just hit the nail on the head about what was bothering me about it... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #251

Wow, someone actually asking that instead of telling someone what they thought The Straight Story Feb 2014 #36

Yr still watching Supernatural? I gave up after series 3... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #42

I am upset with how they objectify sam and dean. Seen them without shirts on! The Straight Story Feb 2014 #45

Thanks Straight Story Tumbulu Feb 2014 #44

Pretty much spot on. Blue_Adept Feb 2014 #114

I don't objectify any sex so no need to answer this ridiculous question. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #28

I have a terrible feeling I've been objectifying the man I've been going out with... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #34

Oh, you are talking about sexual attraction, and dare I say lust? RiffRandell Feb 2014 #38

I've yet to admit the worst of all.... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #43

Well, if it's any consolation I guess I'm bad too. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #103

That sucks about yr mum.... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #168

Indeed. OP fail LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #54

OMG ... I am getting so tired of that shit ... YES ... I feel great when my husband loves my tits tandot Feb 2014 #29

I would say he is a lucky man The Straight Story Feb 2014 #39

You know, TSS, I am on DU daily and I follow most posts and also your posts tandot Feb 2014 #46

It's amazing, isn't it? The insane notion that women like fucking? Some women really like it, msanthrope Feb 2014 #79

In what way did that SI cover have anything to do with women liking or not liking fucking? Squinch Feb 2014 #83

Moving the goalposts to cover for a badly-reasoned OP isn't a very skilled move. msanthrope Feb 2014 #85

Your statement: "The insane notion that women like fucking." I'm asking you what the issue at hand Squinch Feb 2014 #89

Again..why are you trying to control the conversation between two women? nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #92

So I guess you won't be answering the question of what the SI cover had to do with women's liking or Squinch Feb 2014 #96

Oh....I have no idea what gave you the impression I was going to answer questions from you. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #101

It has nothing to do with your personal sex life. sufrommich Feb 2014 #81

Actually..since the OP asked about our personal feelings, this thread has quite rightly addressed msanthrope Feb 2014 #88

I'm not "trying to control anyone's answers" sufrommich Feb 2014 #94

I think you are...the problem with poorly-written OPs that question people's feelings is msanthrope Feb 2014 #100

Sorry to break it to you, but this is not about your husband's cock. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #107

Why did you disregard the part where she states 'she' gets satisfaction. polly7 Feb 2014 #112

Trash thread. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #32

I see the human body, male, female, young, old, smooth, wrinkled, polly7 Feb 2014 #33

We subject every human we meet to our own inward standards, whatever those are. Rex Feb 2014 #48

Thanks Rex Tumbulu Feb 2014 #192

I WILL KICK ANALYZING Rexhumbard-ford Bartholamew-Aberdeen Provingrounds Smith ASS Skittles Feb 2014 #281

Okay, but you have to say my full name 3 times...while I get to run and hide first! Rex Feb 2014 #304

This OP comes off as presumptuous and condescending 1000words Feb 2014 #49

Sorry, but I cannot figure this out Tumbulu Feb 2014 #50

What I'm not understanding is this... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #57

It seems as though there are a number of women on DU who Tumbulu Feb 2014 #58

I would imagine it starts from not seeing the magazine as objectification mythology Feb 2014 #76

Well, those are good points Tumbulu Feb 2014 #164

I would say this article on Wikipedia explains the differences of opinions well... stevenleser Feb 2014 #59

Thanks, stevenleser nt Tumbulu Feb 2014 #61

I am not one of them. KitSileya Feb 2014 #52

You have not gone off topic Tumbulu Feb 2014 #55

Exactly so. "akin to blue-collar republicans" Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #69

The lack of any consideration of what it does to society KitSileya Feb 2014 #73

Liberals post things like "used my boobs to get out of a speeding ticket" on FB all the time... dogknob Feb 2014 #56

Oh Yeah.. That's Gonna Work... WillyT Feb 2014 #64

A while back another DUer gave a very good answer to this question. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #70

Trash thread Feral Child Feb 2014 #74

This is an interesting question and I too am curious. MadrasT Feb 2014 #75

Do you have a number? Mine is 8....its everywhere... Drew Richards Mar 2014 #327

You have objectified women with your one dimensional OP that insists on a blind dichotomy msanthrope Feb 2014 #78

Your outrage at the time this issue is taking away from ending hunger seems to be Squinch Feb 2014 #84

Even lawyers get time off. And I appreciate the solidarity shown for the OP...you have your msanthrope Feb 2014 #86

Why yes, they do. So your concern about time taken from "other issues" isn't all that valid, is it? Squinch Feb 2014 #91

I have no idea what you consider valid, and I care not to find out. But you seem upset msanthrope Feb 2014 #93

you seem pretty upset that there are those who would disagree with you. boston bean Feb 2014 #98

Another post about women's feelings. Thank you for proving my point. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #102

I see many agreeing and many disagreeing. I have no problem with that. Do you? Squinch Feb 2014 #99

I generally find that when people say they have "no problem" with something, but spend msanthrope Feb 2014 #104

pointing out that what they are using as a point of disagreement isn't boston bean Feb 2014 #105

My language in my posts to you today has not been passive. Squinch Feb 2014 #106

+1,000,000 nt. polly7 Feb 2014 #113

Thank you. You know I asked to be banned in HoF last week...they refused. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #117

Oh ... just keep an eye out for a call-out filled with lies polly7 Feb 2014 #118

That would mean reading HoF. And then posting there. Both of which I've never done, except msanthrope Feb 2014 #121

Agree completely. nt. polly7 Feb 2014 #124

Part of the reason that women and children are 'valued as trash' RBStevens Feb 2014 #141

Welcome back? nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #143

Thanks? RBStevens Feb 2014 #145

Who were you, then? nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #148

I'm not sure how I am supposed to answer that. RBStevens Feb 2014 #151

Try the truth....what was your last username? nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #305

How does objectifying women improve women's work options? Tumbulu Feb 2014 #165

If this poster agrees that women (and children) are valued as trash RBStevens Feb 2014 #174

welcome to DU Tumbulu Feb 2014 #178

Thanks for the welcome. RBStevens Feb 2014 #184

What I think about objectification, the SI cover and DU justiceischeap Feb 2014 #97

Well, at least as long as you guys are spending your time still fighting over the same 2pooped2pop Feb 2014 #110

I used to think it was ok. redqueen Feb 2014 #115

Reminds me of The Straight Story Feb 2014 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author redqueen Feb 2014 #122

So many distortions, so little time. redqueen Feb 2014 #126

If I had a dollar for every time RBStevens Feb 2014 #144

If I had a dime for every time The Straight Story Feb 2014 #150

People have actually said straight up to you that you hate women? RBStevens Feb 2014 #152

As long as you care what men think about you leftyladyfrommo Feb 2014 #123

Excellent insight. redqueen Feb 2014 #127

I don't think women have a very good idea leftyladyfrommo Feb 2014 #317

The message that what men think of their looks is of utmost importance redqueen Feb 2014 #320

I'm not sure we will ever get away from it. leftyladyfrommo Feb 2014 #322

Thanks for your answer Tumbulu Feb 2014 #191

I imagine parenting has a lot to do with it. redqueen Feb 2014 #321

Yes, we really don't see these things until we are much older Tumbulu Feb 2014 #324

Why are you so insulting towards women who happen to see polly7 Feb 2014 #128

Well, when only 5% of the artists in the Modern Art section of the Metropolitan Museum are female, KitSileya Feb 2014 #129

Who said naked men aren't beautiful? - point that out please. polly7 Feb 2014 #131

Nope. When only 15% of nudes on display at an art museum are of men, KitSileya Feb 2014 #134

Many people find the female form beautiful, polly7 Feb 2014 #135

The female form is beautiful - KitSileya Feb 2014 #139

You didn't take that insulting OP as implying some women are gender-traitors? polly7 Feb 2014 #142

I wish I could not look. KitSileya Feb 2014 #146

Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. nt. polly7 Feb 2014 #147

Are you serious? Tumbulu Feb 2014 #166

Nudity for the purposes of dishonesty??? polly7 Feb 2014 #193

Are you serious yourself? nt Tumbulu Feb 2014 #202

Uhhh .... I didn't say 'are you serious!' - you did. polly7 Feb 2014 #205

Isn't the whole point of "choice" to be what you want to be? Cofitachequi Feb 2014 #130

Objectification does not mean "attractive to others" gollygee Feb 2014 #133

Then clearly "objectification" is wrong for all. Men and women. Cofitachequi Feb 2014 #136

Do you think going up in space (or simulating that) was her idea? gollygee Feb 2014 #149

+1 RBStevens Feb 2014 #153

I've only seen two photos, both posted on discussion threads here on DU.... Cofitachequi Feb 2014 #154

"run of the mill model poses" are designed to sell clothes, primarily to women. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #230

Objectification is mankinds way of keeping another person in bondage ... MindMover Feb 2014 #132

For those who think monomania is OK... gulliver Feb 2014 #137

The problem I see is that society has decided that a woman's primary value is how she looks btrflykng9 Feb 2014 #138

welcome to DU and well said Tumbulu Feb 2014 #169

Thank you for the welcome :) btrflykng9 Feb 2014 #196

You're talking second wave feminism to a generation that is more third wave. craigmatic Feb 2014 #140

I am asking women who think it is OK to tell me why Tumbulu Feb 2014 #171

This anti choice feminism is prude and disgusting. CFLDem Feb 2014 #158

Did you read the OP? Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #159

Choice is about more than abortion CFLDem Feb 2014 #160

I didn't ask what it had to do with abortion. Choice isn't the topic. Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #162

Sorry to appear self righteous Tumbulu Feb 2014 #173

It's could be any mixture of all three motivations. CFLDem Feb 2014 #183

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #161

I think your OP is offensive ecstatic Feb 2014 #163

Sorry, but I honestly do not understand this Tumbulu Feb 2014 #175

Your starting point is that you are the authority on what counts as objectifying women ecstatic Feb 2014 #190

OK, in my OP is asked about objectification Tumbulu Feb 2014 #195

I agree, and that is the definition of Radical Fundamentalism DontTreadOnMe Feb 2014 #206

It's not ok...but...never give a sucker an even break Zorra Feb 2014 #167

This pseudo-feminist bullshit does nothing but distract from real women's issues that desperately... phleshdef Feb 2014 #170

What are the "real problems" facing women? RBStevens Feb 2014 #176

Do you really need me to explain them to you? phleshdef Feb 2014 #179

I did not say that anyone should feel guilt about looking at RBStevens Feb 2014 #186

No not really because these are age old problems... phleshdef Feb 2014 #213

Alright, if women have been treated like shit since the beginning of time RBStevens Feb 2014 #223

+1 btrflykng9 Feb 2014 #187

And how do we improve the situation with the endless Tumbulu Feb 2014 #177

Commodification at what level? Some commodification is fine and shouldn't be ended. phleshdef Feb 2014 #181

So, as a woman, you enjoy this as playful banter Tumbulu Feb 2014 #185

I'm not a woman phleshdef Feb 2014 #200

Well, then the question was not addressed to you Tumbulu Feb 2014 #208

I don't feel guilty, that's my point phleshdef Feb 2014 #210

Do you post T&A photos in a place you share with women in real life? Squinch Feb 2014 #194

I don't post photos of anyone anywhere, what are you talking about? phleshdef Feb 2014 #197

I don't mind whether you post or not, but YOU were saying that discussing Squinch Feb 2014 #234

As long as its not against the rules, then its not against the rules. phleshdef Feb 2014 #236

There are certain things that we all agree are not acceptable. Bigotry and homophobia are two. Squinch Feb 2014 #241

+1 RBStevens Feb 2014 #244

Ah - the tone criticism. Yes if they would just keep to issues you don't find uncomfortable. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #232

My mother falls under this statement RBStevens Feb 2014 #182

See, I am nearly 60 and there some girls older Tumbulu Feb 2014 #188

There are always some girls, no matter the generation, who aren't interested RBStevens Feb 2014 #203

That is true, but this socializing effect is worrying to me Tumbulu Feb 2014 #215

I wish I could find it now, but I can't remember where I read it and who posted Squinch Feb 2014 #220

Thanks, that is interesting and illuminating Tumbulu Feb 2014 #231

Thank YOU. And one more thought: Squinch Feb 2014 #246

So true again! Tumbulu Feb 2014 #257

Serious question, will you define "objectify" for us? If so, thanks. Deep13 Feb 2014 #199

Well, I do not have the skills to do that. Tumbulu Feb 2014 #228

Thanks. I appreciate it. ... Deep13 Feb 2014 #303

What I don't want to do is to privilege sexuality. Deep13 Mar 2014 #325

thank you for the insight Tumbulu Mar 2014 #326

You're the one reducing these women to objects. polly7 Feb 2014 #216

Do you really not understand why many women don't want to see T & A photos on a pnwmom Feb 2014 #253

I was replying that ugly, insulting OP in kind. polly7 Feb 2014 #258

How could she not have realized -- and on some level have wanted -- pnwmom Feb 2014 #259

I have no idea. polly7 Feb 2014 #260

I didn't find the op to be ugly, insulting or ridiculous at all. RBStevens Feb 2014 #261

Well good for you! Plenty of others did. polly7 Feb 2014 #262

I've read this entire thread throughout the day RBStevens Feb 2014 #268

You implied that just because 'you' didn't get that from the OP, polly7 Feb 2014 #271

I did not imply anything. RBStevens Feb 2014 #276

Curious about why you find my op insulting Tumbulu Feb 2014 #263

I've spelled out why, twice now. polly7 Feb 2014 #265

So what is this "ugly crap" Tumbulu Feb 2014 #270

Your OP .... polly7 Feb 2014 #273

You seem to misunderstand me a bit Tumbulu Feb 2014 #278

Well there ya go ... polly7 Feb 2014 #279

That SI cover looked like typical women on a beach to you? Tumbulu Feb 2014 #282

EXACTLY like typical women on a beach, to me. polly7 Feb 2014 #283

No, you said her words are "stupid" amongst other things. RBStevens Feb 2014 #294

I said the OP slamming other women for not believing as she does was polly7 Feb 2014 #297

Is this enough of a whole quote - RBStevens Feb 2014 #298

Frankly, I don't give a flying fuck what you do. polly7 Feb 2014 #299

Your response doesn't make sense to me. I supplied the full quote RBStevens Feb 2014 #301

I absolutely cannot mimi85 Feb 2014 #217

What do you think of Miley Cyrus? B Calm Feb 2014 #222

I feel sad for her Tumbulu Feb 2014 #240

I feel sad for her too. RBStevens Feb 2014 #243

so true nt Tumbulu Feb 2014 #252

Married 40 years HockeyMom Feb 2014 #237

That's a coincidence. LWolf Feb 2014 #254

Thank you LWolf, Tumbulu Feb 2014 #267

You're welcome. LWolf Feb 2014 #313

Well said. Thank you. RBStevens Feb 2014 #269

What is your personal definition of objectification, for this specific post? Butterbean Feb 2014 #264

I answered that in reply 228 Tumbulu Feb 2014 #274

Hmm. Okay. Butterbean Feb 2014 #287

Thanks or writing so much to think about Tumbulu Feb 2014 #288

All excellent points, and ones that I agree with actually. Butterbean Feb 2014 #289

I'm not one of those women who thinks objectifying women is good Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #266

Thanks very good points nt Tumbulu Feb 2014 #275

worthy of its own thread Skittles Feb 2014 #286

Thank you! Maybe I'll post it again somewhere. nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #302

**********^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^********************* Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #318

Thank you! nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #319

Trash. 840high Feb 2014 #290

Trash Thread Katashi_itto Feb 2014 #311

Good intentions, shitty loaded "when did you stop beating your wife" questions. alp227 Feb 2014 #323