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Ghost in the Machine

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123. Speaking of cognitive dissonance, which you seem to have trouble with, please explain...

Sat Feb 22, 2014, 04:48 AM

Feb 2014

in detail, the exact difference between a woman clutching her purse tighter and/or moving across the street when she sees a big, burly, white biker looking guy, who have stereotypical bad reputations, walking towards her and doing the exact same thing when she sees a black man walking towards her. I'll patiently wait for an intelligent response from you, as I know you're capable of one.

What you NEED to understand is the fact that I am NOT DENYING there is ingrained racism in some people. I'm simply showing that there is also an ingrained perception of some people too, regardless of skin color. It's an ingrained fear in some people due to stereotypes.

Once you can understand that, reconcile it with yourself and live with both opinions.. that there is both racism *and* ingrained fear due to stereotypes, you can work on your own cognitive dissonace.

Peace,

Ghost

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I'm a straight white male [View all] NobodyHere Feb 2014 OP

Apology accepted. Marie Marie Feb 2014 #1

I see this thread going places! actslikeacarrot Feb 2014 #2

Well... Don't do it again. Now go to bed. Bonx Feb 2014 #3

Nice try? M0rpheus Feb 2014 #4

As long as you get a laugh NobodyHere Feb 2014 #6

It's been a good day for me. M0rpheus Feb 2014 #10

Happy Friday! JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #34

Happy Friday! M0rpheus Feb 2014 #55

Damn, it IS Friday! Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #71

Ok, as long as you go around with a guilty conscience quinnox Feb 2014 #5

I am a straight white male. (WASP even) Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #7

I'm not sorry either. You're responding to a strawman. n/t nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #21

Ba-Zinga!! Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #70

I'm a straight white male and I have the lovely Marilyn Monroe Jetboy Feb 2014 #8

I accept your apology. Don't let it happen again. nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #9

Do you have any advice NobodyHere Feb 2014 #11

Well the unarmed black teens who were gunned down recently didn't ask to be black Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #12

Yeah there's a big advantage they won't admit....they will never fear some VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #14

Like the Florida movie texter? edbermac Feb 2014 #15

fewer and farther between.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #17

The big difference Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #19

Zimmy had run-ins before that. edbermac Feb 2014 #22

You think if Trayvon was white the same thing would have happened? Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #23

A guy that picks a fight with a cop and beats up his ex-fiancee? edbermac Feb 2014 #24

LOL...you're funny Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #25

Did you read the article, yes or no? edbermac Feb 2014 #27

It was an article on his background Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #29

I just don't buy he'd let a white stranger slide by him. edbermac Feb 2014 #31

That may be true, but I don't think it doesn't discount the profiling, IMO. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #80

Cali I think I misread one of your posts. edbermac Feb 2014 #119

I think a serious Conservative troll infestation is going on... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author edbermac Feb 2014 #113

You have GOT to be fucking joking. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #173

What???? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #174

Not in the least. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #175

NO.....but RACIAL equality is a platform for DEMOCRATS....being in denial doesn't change that fact. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #176

Where has anybody here gone against equality? Where?!? AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #177

by denying that White men are privileged....THAT is..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #178

I'm not even sure if this stupidity deserves much of a response. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #180

NO your stupid belief that White men are NOT privileged is the problem..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #181

I think you're deluded if you think Zimmerman didn't racially profile Trayvon Martin gollygee Feb 2014 #38

You've got to be joking. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #48

Try doing a poll on how many white people have lived in fear of some other white people.. Ghost in the Machine Feb 2014 #32

Did they target you because you're white? NuclearDem Feb 2014 #47

"No one is out to persecute you for being a straight white male." It would certainly help........... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #77

It would be helpful if straight White men would ADMIT that the problems even exist.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #117

I'm not denying that the problems exist. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #128

YES you and several others ARE....BUT we do have a number of men on DU VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #133

..... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #135

If you are NOT a White male there is nothing "illusion" about it... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #137

You seem to have missed my point again. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #142

NO YOU are the one missing the point...if you are NOT the disadvantaged population.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #144

Whoosh.....went right over your head. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #145

No that sound you hear is the cognitive dissonance between your ears... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #146

And? AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #147

Yes actually it IS exactly how you describe it... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #148

I'm afraid I'm at a loss here. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #154

the ONLY problem is.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #155

There is no fact that I haven't accepted. Not at all. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #157

You haven't accepted the FACT that you are part of a privileged class! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #158

...... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #159

there is nothing to disagree about....White Males do NOT suffer the disadvantages...of being VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #161

". there is nothing to disagree about..." There wouldn't be, certainly..... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #163

it is NOT a problem of "terminology".... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #164

Yes it is. Unfortunately, it certainly is. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #165

NO it is NOT....YOU are a privileged White male.....get over it! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #166

those are the ONLY things YOU can think of because you are not one of the OTHER classes VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #156

..... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #162

"Did they target you because you're white?" I believe so. Also because I had long hair and rode a Ghost in the Machine Feb 2014 #98

I suspect your being targeted had little ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #106

And just *how* did you come to this conclusion?? n/t Ghost in the Machine Feb 2014 #124

Your own words - Ms. Toad Feb 2014 #129

I thought my original response made it clear that I was white.... Ghost in the Machine Feb 2014 #131

I also happen to be white - Ms. Toad Feb 2014 #132

not BECAUSE you were White.....that was BECAUSE you were a biker.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #118

"do you think they would have treated a Black biker the same way?" I don't know, mainly due to Ghost in the Machine Feb 2014 #125

That is kind of the entire point. Ms. Toad Feb 2014 #130

That has NOTHING to do with it.....this persons problem was the fact you were a biker...YOU VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #134

You CANNOT be serious..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #116

Speaking of cognitive dissonance, which you seem to have trouble with, please explain... Ghost in the Machine Feb 2014 #123

YOU are having cognitive dissonance if YOU think people being afraid of you because you dress VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #138

"You sound like a republican that thinks being Gay is a choice..." Ghost in the Machine Feb 2014 #149

the fact that YOU choose to dress like a bike is not Ad Hominem.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #150

The fact that you can't even recognize your own ad hominem attack only further proves my Ghost in the Machine Feb 2014 #167

that is a fucking insult to those who HAVE experienced REAL racism and sexism VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #168

and this tells me YOU just don't "get" racism OR sexism.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #169

You can take your bandana off.....a female cannot grow a penis...nor can a Black person VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #170

It's not really so much an "advantage" for white folks..... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #136

If you do not suffer the disadvantages....then YOU are advantaged! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #139

The word doesn't quite work that way. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #141

Yes actually it DOES.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #151

not some...WHITE MEN! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #152

Perfect answer malaise Feb 2014 #44

Thanks! Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #68

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lol! nt ecstatic Feb 2014 #87

. Jamaal510 Feb 2014 #171

"Well, nobody's perfect" edbermac Feb 2014 #13

Are these guys cousins? Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #30

So - you are the one who looked at those women on the SI cover The Straight Story Feb 2014 #16

hahahahahahahah Brilliant Straight.....simply sublime! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #120

And Im just a little lost black piglet LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #18

Which doesn't make you evil, but doesn't make you special either. Just human like everyone else. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #20

I agree completely. nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #78

Cat picture would have been nice gesture to go with the OP. Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #28

What an amazingly cute little fuzz ball. What a great way to start the day. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #37

I considered gollygee Feb 2014 #39

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yes you are Skittles Feb 2014 #33

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What are you sorry for? nt. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #36

Louis CK describes your problem perfectly. Heidi Feb 2014 #40

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Hilarious gollygee Feb 2014 #52

I figured we might as well use this opportunity to shed some light Heidi Feb 2014 #54

His gollygee Feb 2014 #56

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Cute bit; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #109

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Most Likely, you are. very Sorry. As sorry as sorry can be. If you know what i mean CBGLuthier Feb 2014 #41

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I'm sorry, too. Iggo Feb 2014 #59

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Thread Winner! eom. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #110

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I'm not sorry deutsey Feb 2014 #64

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...and that's ok !!! clarice Feb 2014 #66

Happy Passive Aggressive Day ! sufrommich Feb 2014 #69

Great post! PAD is such a terrific day. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #73

I see two very good responses to your trolly passive aggressive bullshit in this thread Kali Feb 2014 #74

I stand with Kali. Testify. Witness. Present. Here. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #75

When did you develope this line of thinking in your life ? upaloopa Feb 2014 #79

it takes time, it takes learning to really listen (very difficult for me), and it takes observation Kali Feb 2014 #81

So I'm just a WHINER??? DiverDave Feb 2014 #84

well Kali Feb 2014 #86

This, x1,000! AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #172

See you are so enlightened you know that I am upaloopa Feb 2014 #92

ok Kali Feb 2014 #94

Nope, poster's just kneejerking. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #96

I am too and I blame my parents it's all their fault upaloopa Feb 2014 #76

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You poor thing, you. hunter Feb 2014 #90

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Are you sorry you are a st wh male or are you a st wh male and sorry or do the 2 have nothing uppityperson Feb 2014 #93

Oh, dear. Multiple choice question. Heidi Feb 2014 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Feb 2014 #97

you're the guy from the hamburger train, right? Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Feb 2014 #101

uh, yeah........ alittlelark Feb 2014 #102

Given the number of posts you have... you're also a TROLL. n/t cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #103

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That's ok, everyone's gotta be something goldent Feb 2014 #105

What are you sorry for? 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #107

That it's essentially a hit-and-run OP Heidi Feb 2014 #112

Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #115

lame. Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #122

Well I'm a gay white male and I want you to be MORE SORRY. sibelian Feb 2014 #127

One of my favorite Simpsons moments: Initech Feb 2014 #140

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me too, bro.... mike_c Feb 2014 #179

Heh, lulz. nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #182