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Sat Feb 22, 2014, 07:24 AM Feb 2014

D.C. Insider: There's a Shadow Govt. Running the Country, and It's Not Up for Re-Election [View all]

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/dc-insider-theres-shadow-govt-running-country-and-its-not-re-election



Rome lived upon its principal till ruin stared it in the face. Industry is the only true source of wealth, and there was no industry in Rome. By day the Ostia road was crowded with carts and muleteers, carrying to the great city the silks and spices of the East, the marble of Asia Minor, the timber of the Atlas, the grain of Africa and Egypt; and the carts brought out nothing but loads of dung. That was their return cargo.


—"The Martyrdom of Man" by Winwood Reade (1871)

There is the visible government situated around the Mall in Washington, and then there is another, more shadowy, more indefinable government that is not explained in Civics 101 or observable to tourists at the White House or the Capitol. The former is traditional Washington partisan politics: the tip of the iceberg that a public watching C-SPAN sees daily and which is theoretically controllable via elections. The subsurface part of the iceberg I shall call the Deep State, which operates on its own compass heading regardless of who is formally in power. [1]

During the last five years, the news media have been flooded with pundits decrying the broken politics of Washington. The conventional wisdom has it that partisan gridlock and dysfunction have become the new normal. That is certainly the case, and I have been among the harshest critics of this development. But it is also imperative to acknowledge the limits of this critique as it applies to the American governmental system. On one level, the critique is self-evident: in the domain that the public can see, Congress is hopelessly deadlocked in the worst manner since the 1850s, the violently rancorous decade preceding the Civil War.

As I wrote in " The Party is Over," the present objective of congressional Republicans is to render the executive branch powerless, at least until a Republican president is elected (a goal which voter suppression laws in GOP-controlled states are clearly intended to accomplish). President Obama cannot enact his domestic policies and budgets; because of incessant GOP filibustering, not only could he not fill the large number of vacancies in the federal judiciary, he could not even get his most innocuous presidential appointees into office. Democrats controlling the Senate have responded by weakening the filibuster of nominations, but Republicans are sure to react with other parliamentary delaying tactics. This strategy amounts to congressional nullification of executive branch powers by a party that controls a majority in only one house of Congress.

Despite this apparent impotence, President Obama can liquidate American citizens without due processes, detain prisoners indefinitely without charge, conduct “dragnet” surveillance on the American people without judicial warrant and engage in unprecedented — at least since the McCarthy era — witch hunts against federal employees (the so-called “Insider Threat Program”). Within the United States, this power is characterized by massive displays of intimidating force by militarized federal, state and local law enforcement. Abroad, President Obama can start wars at will and engage in virtually any other activity whatever without so much as a by-your-leave from Congress, to include arranging the forced landing of a plane carrying a sovereign head of state over foreign territory. Despite their habitual cant about executive overreach by Obama, the would-be dictator, we have until recently heard very little from congressional Republicans about these actions — with the minor exception of a gadfly like Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky. Democrats, save for a few mavericks like Ron Wyden of Oregon, are not unduly troubled, either — even to the extent of permitting seemingly perjured congressional testimony under oath by executive branch officials on the subject of illegal surveillance.
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As in the Politburo malaise Feb 2014 #1
indeed nt xchrom Feb 2014 #2
This is exactly what I thought.... ReRe Feb 2014 #3
+1 xchrom Feb 2014 #4
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #5
Come again? ReRe Feb 2014 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #11
This is the stupidest "argument," to wit: IF there is no difference, then VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRAT. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #13
Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #15
"...what exactly is the democrat going to do for me, I wonder?" ReRe Feb 2014 #17
No, I'm not a Democrat - so fire me erronis Feb 2014 #42
If you think Libertarian is being liberal, you are just a republican who WhiteTara Feb 2014 #54
You become what you hate. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #7
They put on a good show for us every four years. nt woo me with science Feb 2014 #8
The Greatest Show on Earth jsr Feb 2014 #16
The Greatest Show on Earth.... AND a Big Business worth BILLIONS. bvar22 Feb 2014 #31
That is great information. Thank you. And truedelphi Feb 2014 #37
I don't think you could do that..... and sleep at night. bvar22 Feb 2014 #39
Reminds me of the first Presidential debate of 2012. DhhD Feb 2014 #43
That gave me pause. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #75
We are moving closer to a pipoman Feb 2014 #9
I hope you're right. merrily Feb 2014 #14
That is funny, especially Progressive dog Feb 2014 #10
I don't think that word means what you think it means. blackspade Feb 2014 #23
I'm sure they had different socila beliefs, so what, Progressive dog Feb 2014 #26
My point is that your use of social Darwinism.... blackspade Feb 2014 #28
You are trying to argue with someone that has to include "progressive" in his name to rhett o rick Feb 2014 #34
! blackspade Feb 2014 #44
How about the screen name of: "AReallyReallyLiberalProgressiveDemocatHonest." nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #50
LOL! blackspade Feb 2014 #66
I prefer Demodogs. cui bono Feb 2014 #82
Sometimes people forget to look at their name tag jsr Feb 2014 #61
You are even funnier than the social Darwinist. Progressive dog Feb 2014 #92
What could be funnier than you claiming to be progressive? nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #96
Me caring what you think a progressive is nm Progressive dog Feb 2014 #98
^^^^this^^^^ L0oniX Feb 2014 #100
Social darwinism = touting "survival of the fittest" as appropriate social policy. El_Johns Feb 2014 #33
Incorrect. blackspade Feb 2014 #45
Post 28 says nothing El_Johns Feb 2014 #46
Sorry you don't understand. blackspade Feb 2014 #47
So what? The core idea is that the "strong" SHOULD prosper and the "weak" SHOULD not. El_Johns Feb 2014 #48
... Rex Feb 2014 #59
same to you. El_Johns Feb 2014 #64
The point that I was trying to make that you are either ignoring blackspade Feb 2014 #65
Please explain to me how Marxism is social darwinism. El_Johns Feb 2014 #67
Seriously? blackspade Feb 2014 #69
First, i disagree with you on what you call the "central tenant (sic) of Marxism". But for El_Johns Feb 2014 #70
I already did. blackspade Feb 2014 #71
No, actually you just said one thing = another, as though it were self-evident. El_Johns Feb 2014 #73
I'm not sure what your beef is but, blackspade Feb 2014 #77
I disagree with you and am asking you to explain why you think Marxism is social darwinism. El_Johns Feb 2014 #78
Your entitled to your opinion. blackspade Feb 2014 #79
Ideas aren't just matters of opinion. There is no theory in your discussion. Victorian thought El_Johns Feb 2014 #80
Victorian social thought is a part of Victorian culture blackspade Feb 2014 #88
I just read up on this for something else. YOU are wrong. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #85
No shit blackspade Feb 2014 #87
Which word, social or Darwinism? Progressive dog Feb 2014 #94
Only Nixon could go to China arendt Feb 2014 #27
Only Nixon could go to China Progressive dog Feb 2014 #91
So your addition to the discussion here is that you think the OP is funny? Care to elaborate? nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #35
Well looky there...it is a progressive doggy! Rex Feb 2014 #60
PINO rhett o rick Feb 2014 #72
If you don't get it, Progressive dog Feb 2014 #90
You gotta love the absolute certainty. "There is no shadow government in the USA." rhett o rick Feb 2014 #99
Do you believe in creationism as opposed Progressive dog Feb 2014 #101
So you dont know with absolute certainty that there isnt a shadow government yet rhett o rick Feb 2014 #104
There is no shadow government, Progressive dog Feb 2014 #109
Again with the adacious absolute certainty. Just because you dont know of any evidence doesnt rhett o rick Feb 2014 #110
In this case, yes absolute certainty. Progressive dog Feb 2014 #111
Simplistic and primative. If you don't see it it isn't there. Enjoy your rock. L0oniX Feb 2014 #102
So you think there is a shadow government? Progressive dog Feb 2014 #103
It's useless to present evidence to someone in denial. Do you accept the evidence for climate rhett o rick Feb 2014 #113
Yes but not for creationism, shadow governments, Progressive dog Feb 2014 #114
their palace is on Wall st KG Feb 2014 #12
Must Read, IMO K&R n/t Martin Eden Feb 2014 #18
I'll just cut & paste this on "Infowars" 7962 Feb 2014 #19
If you don't like Alternet, you can see the original at Bill Moyers.Com. bvar22 Feb 2014 #32
I'm just tired of all the "shadow government" crap. Same thing the right says all the time. 7962 Feb 2014 #36
If you are too tired to listen to Bill Moyers or Mike Lofgren, bvar22 Feb 2014 #41
Didnt say I didnt care, I said I was tired of it. I'm also tired of "obama is kenyan"; 7962 Feb 2014 #49
+10 (nt) reACTIONary Feb 2014 #52
Ahhhh....Got IT!!! bvar22 Feb 2014 #53
Regarding my post 19, see post 57. 7962 Feb 2014 #63
You don't think they're getting the policies they want now? cui bono Feb 2014 #83
Then why worry about Romney winning? You think they also want the POSITIVE things Obama's done? 7962 Feb 2014 #89
LMFAO ...you rock! L0oniX Feb 2014 #105
As tired as you may be of hearing it, the country is a million more times "tired" of it happening. cui bono Feb 2014 #84
thanks bvar, just watched this.. 2banon Feb 2014 #56
+1 Everyone would do well to pay attention to Bill Moyers. L0oniX Feb 2014 #95
However, so many things that Infowars has told us have truedelphi Feb 2014 #38
LOL, Every other day... reACTIONary Feb 2014 #57
Thanks for saving me the time and finding that!!! 7962 Feb 2014 #62
It's easy to criticize. But much harder to commit. So tell us what you think about this. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #74
and it's not going away heaven05 Feb 2014 #20
Just figuring this out? relayerbob Feb 2014 #21
Well Worth The Read cantbeserious Feb 2014 #22
Excellent, depressing read. blackspade Feb 2014 #24
and the black budget produces their kool-aid toby jo Feb 2014 #25
K&R - this article is from billmoyers dot com johnnyreb Feb 2014 #29
Marking this for a later read. progressoid Feb 2014 #30
The shadow Government is "The Family." Been calling the shots for decades. The White House is mere blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #40
Nice post pscot Feb 2014 #51
Sadly it's far easier to screw up government then it is to make it work. yourout Feb 2014 #55
It's in their benefit to perpetuate dysfunction jsr Feb 2014 #93
Duh. DeSwiss Feb 2014 #58
Those are some damning quotes. blackspade Feb 2014 #68
Couldn't have said it better myself. defacto7 Feb 2014 #76
SO DON'T BOTHER TO VOTE BECAUSE IT WON'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. aquart Feb 2014 #81
Bumper sticker: "WE SUCK LESS" L0oniX Feb 2014 #97
DON'T BOTHER TO READ - ANYTHING!!! JackRiddler Feb 2014 #106
Oh, for pete's sake. nt woo me with science Feb 2014 #107
Exactly because voting means you are free. The only obligation of a citizen is to vote. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #112
Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #86
K&R'd – terrific article! snot Feb 2014 #108
kick woo me with science Feb 2014 #115
Please, everyone, pass this article on beyond DU. woo me with science Feb 2014 #116
kick woo me with science Feb 2014 #117
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