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Ken Burch

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57. If Maduro resigns, bolivarism is over. And bolivarism is all the poor there ever had.

Sat Feb 22, 2014, 05:40 PM

Feb 2014

No one who lives in a slum will celebrate a right-wing takeover, or the end of the community councils(the only democracy poor Venezuelans, since poor people are always unrepresented in parliamentary democracy, have ever had).

Why the hell do you want a massive swing to the right? Austerity budgets? The return of control of the oil to the foreign rich? Why do you want Venezuela to lose its dignity?

It was enough that there was going to be another election in three years. Maduro has done nothing to deserve to be forced out, and it can't be a positive thing to undo the election results. There can be no life-loving, liberating result of putting the capitalists back in power.

And there's no difference between Venezuela being allied with China and being allied with the U.S. Both of those are just large countries.

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Do you support the overthrow of Maduro in Venezuela? [View all] Ken Burch Feb 2014 OP

No I support dialog with both sides in Ven. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #1

The opposition in Venezuela hasn't ever sought dialog-they never accepted the PSUV or Chavez Ken Burch Feb 2014 #4

I am sure that both sides have grievances but dialog needs to go forth. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #5

The students are a new entity. joshcryer Feb 2014 #8

If, and it's a big if, the students get Maduro to step down it would be Diosdado Cabello. joshcryer Feb 2014 #2

And Diosdado Cabello would just sell out to the foreign corporations on everything. Ken Burch Feb 2014 #3

yep $$$ foreigners want "" their"" oil back lunasun Feb 2014 #6

He is a communist, but anti-Cuba. joshcryer Feb 2014 #7

Why is it important to be anti-Cuba at this point? Ken Burch Feb 2014 #10

He thinks Cuba has too much influence. joshcryer Feb 2014 #11

Look, it's horrible that the student was raped... Ken Burch Feb 2014 #14

Erm, the government isn't responsible, but by being dismissive it made it worse. joshcryer Feb 2014 #15

Thanks for the information. That dean is a total asshole and should resign. n/t. Ken Burch Feb 2014 #17

As opposed to selling out to the Chinese? Sen. Walter Sobchak Feb 2014 #26

The Chinese don't care if you gun down or imprison political opposition in your country. Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #30

It's none of our business if they want to ally with China. China's just another country now. Ken Burch Feb 2014 #61

Is the China National Offshore Oil Corporation not an "outside corporation" Sen. Walter Sobchak Feb 2014 #70

Well, Diosdado Cabello was with Hugo Chavez when they were both in the Army. MADem Feb 2014 #31

If the U.S. press wants him, he can't be on the side of the people. Ken Burch Feb 2014 #62

What are you talking about...the US press? MADem Feb 2014 #64

I've seen Univision...it's political take is basically that of the Miami Cubans Ken Burch Feb 2014 #66

Flip over to Telemundo then. MADem Feb 2014 #69

I support Venezuelans. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #9

Grudgingly, yes. Chan790 Feb 2014 #12

No, I support and respect Venezuelan democracy. Coyotl Feb 2014 #13

What happens when the Venezuelan people petition for change, though? MADem Feb 2014 #37

They just finished two rounds of elections, with Maduro's party winning a 10% victory in the second. Coyotl Feb 2014 #38

I believe this guy before I buy what you're selling, sorry. MADem Feb 2014 #41

And, elections are how democracies elect Presidents. That's how democracy works. Coyotl Feb 2014 #45

And...Richard Nixon resigned. So what's your point, really? MADem Feb 2014 #49

The Nixon resignation didn't make anything worse. Ken Burch Feb 2014 #56

Because you say so? Listen to you! MADem Feb 2014 #60

They don't need to trust election results because they have a clip from youtube. SolutionisSolidarity Feb 2014 #50

They don't need to undo election results with a devolution to anarchy in the streets. Coyotl Feb 2014 #52

If Maduro resigns, bolivarism is over. And bolivarism is all the poor there ever had. Ken Burch Feb 2014 #57

You don't think much of the people of Venezuela, apparently. MADem Feb 2014 #58

There's nothing all that special about Cabello. Ken Burch Feb 2014 #59

Nothing special about Cabello? MADem Feb 2014 #67

I defend the people of Venezuela...but this isn't really about them. Ken Burch Feb 2014 #65

Maduro already sold a piece of VZ's future to China. MADem Feb 2014 #71

Surprising result. I guess the usual crew is in bed... SolutionisSolidarity Feb 2014 #16

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #34

Violent overthrow - no Calista241 Feb 2014 #18

No to violent overthrow. No to violent repression. pampango Feb 2014 #19

No davidpdx Feb 2014 #20

God, you people are vile. unreadierLizard Feb 2014 #21

It's a shitty "push" poll, you see. MADem Feb 2014 #35

I guess it must feel shitty to see how isolated you neoliberals are. SolutionisSolidarity Feb 2014 #53

That was a pretty uninformed comment. MADem Feb 2014 #54

The poll included every possible option. Ken Burch Feb 2014 #72

No it didn't. If Maduro resigned, as Nixon did, that would not be regarded as an MADem Feb 2014 #73

Corporatists Chris Diesel Feb 2014 #78

Yeah, it's all the corporatists fault that Chavistas economic plans are crap. Sure. NT Adrahil Feb 2014 #84

While I think "vile" is unnecessarily hyperbolic leftynyc Feb 2014 #43

I think Capriles (or Donald Duck) would probably do a less awful job, but elections should matter. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #22

Maduro may have been elected DFW Feb 2014 #47

That's a very different question. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #51

The western hemisphere doesn't need it's very own Robert Mugabe Sen. Walter Sobchak Feb 2014 #23

Ouch. There is truth in that statement Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #32

Obsessed with Mugabe, are we? Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2014 #83

A lunatic running a country into the ground in the name of indigenous revolution? Sen. Walter Sobchak Feb 2014 #85

UH...Maduro isn't committing atrocities? or intentionally starving people? Ken Burch Feb 2014 #86

I am more concerned with trying to overthrow the fools that run our country (nt) bigwillq Feb 2014 #24

Something needs to be done. Possible replacement? JaneyVee Feb 2014 #25

I just want a peaceful solution. nt hack89 Feb 2014 #27

Probably too late for that DFW Feb 2014 #48

I'll admit that I have no idea whatsoever is going on there NightWatcher Feb 2014 #28

Let's watch and let situation unfold brush Feb 2014 #29

What so the oil companies can fuck the Venezuela people like they used to madokie Feb 2014 #33

Are you talking about PDVSA? COLGATE4 Feb 2014 #40

No one, save the Chinese (buying at fire sale prices), wants VZ oil. MADem Feb 2014 #44

lets hear it for Fracking! reddread Feb 2014 #63

I prefer wind and solar, myself. nt MADem Feb 2014 #74

So do I, but a "free market" gov't in VZ wouldn't develop them. Ken Burch Feb 2014 #81

VZ will NEVER develop them no matter if a communist or a queen runs the joint. MADem Feb 2014 #82

Yes. It is the natural order of things that our RW 1% Plutarch Overlords should own Zorra Feb 2014 #36

Do you support the overthrow of Obama in the USA? Coyotl Feb 2014 #39

This x1000 Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #42

history repeats, hypocrites replete n/t reddread Feb 2014 #46

ditto dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #80

I'm anti-overthrow, but there's been a lot of what sounds like pro-coup propaganda here lately. Ken Burch Feb 2014 #55

+1,000,000 PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #77

No. I didn't support the overthrow of Hugo Chavez, either, but that kinda goes truth2power Feb 2014 #68

Don't really care one way or the other. CFLDem Feb 2014 #75

venezuela needs sabbat hunter Feb 2014 #76

A qualified no Warpy Feb 2014 #79