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In reply to the discussion: Do you support the overthrow of Maduro in Venezuela? [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)60. Because you say so? Listen to you!
"All that can come" of Maduro resigning is that his cronies, who are robbing the country blind, can be taken off the job of stealing from the treasury, perhaps prosecuted and some of the ill-gotten gains returned; oversight as to where the money is bleeding out can begin, perhaps less of the nation's treasure can be spent on Cubans and more on Venezuelans, the nation can--for a change--start paying their bills so that people will be willing to extend them credit again...and that is just for starters.
I can't believe how you infantalize the people of Venezuela.
The bottom line is that Maduro is INCOMPETENT. That is why the nation is in an 'in extremis' position. It was a bad situation with the Boligarchs robbing the country's coffers quite boldly under Chavez, and that only worsened under Maduro. Add to that no one seems to give a shit about the infrastructure, and the oil fields haven't been maintained--equipment is left to rot and rust. It's disgraceful, much of the problems of Venezuela are the result of shitty management and no goddamned oversight, not nefarious actors from outside the country. They can't keep fucking up and expect to make a buck--ya gotta work for your pay.
As for foreign finance, the horse has already left the barn on that score. While you were sleeping your good buddy Maduro took a shitload of money off the Chinese in a "robbing Peter to pay Paul" exercise. Now a goodly percentage of what the Venezuelans are getting out of their underproducing oil fields has to go straight to China to service that debt. And if they ever think of stiffing China, there will be consequences.
The man you are trying to prop up is an IDIOT, a fiscal MORON. That's why VZ is in the shitter.
The people of Venezuela want TOILET PAPER. They want lights that stay on. They want jobs. They don't want "murder by the dozen" and to have one of the worst crime rates in the entire world. They want flour to make arepas on the store shelf. They'd like to be able to afford to buy a little chicken or beef--and for it to be available for sale. They don't want runaway inflation. They don't want to not be able to buy a plane ticket because no airlines will do business with VZ anymore because they DON'T PAY THEIR BILLS.
Good grief--I can't believe how obtuse some people are about what is going on in that country. It's frankly pathetic.
People aren't in the streets over ideology. Disabuse yourself of that stupid notion. They're in the streets over bread-and-butter issues. The fact that you don't "get" that tells me that you are blinded by ideology and false loyalty to a frigging LOSER.
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The opposition in Venezuela hasn't ever sought dialog-they never accepted the PSUV or Chavez
Ken Burch
Feb 2014
#4
If, and it's a big if, the students get Maduro to step down it would be Diosdado Cabello.
joshcryer
Feb 2014
#2
And Diosdado Cabello would just sell out to the foreign corporations on everything.
Ken Burch
Feb 2014
#3
Erm, the government isn't responsible, but by being dismissive it made it worse.
joshcryer
Feb 2014
#15
Thanks for the information. That dean is a total asshole and should resign. n/t.
Ken Burch
Feb 2014
#17
The Chinese don't care if you gun down or imprison political opposition in your country.
Ikonoklast
Feb 2014
#30
It's none of our business if they want to ally with China. China's just another country now.
Ken Burch
Feb 2014
#61
Is the China National Offshore Oil Corporation not an "outside corporation"
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Feb 2014
#70
I've seen Univision...it's political take is basically that of the Miami Cubans
Ken Burch
Feb 2014
#66
They just finished two rounds of elections, with Maduro's party winning a 10% victory in the second.
Coyotl
Feb 2014
#38
And, elections are how democracies elect Presidents. That's how democracy works.
Coyotl
Feb 2014
#45
They don't need to trust election results because they have a clip from youtube.
SolutionisSolidarity
Feb 2014
#50
They don't need to undo election results with a devolution to anarchy in the streets.
Coyotl
Feb 2014
#52
If Maduro resigns, bolivarism is over. And bolivarism is all the poor there ever had.
Ken Burch
Feb 2014
#57
I guess it must feel shitty to see how isolated you neoliberals are.
SolutionisSolidarity
Feb 2014
#53
Yeah, it's all the corporatists fault that Chavistas economic plans are crap. Sure. NT
Adrahil
Feb 2014
#84
I think Capriles (or Donald Duck) would probably do a less awful job, but elections should matter.
Donald Ian Rankin
Feb 2014
#22
A lunatic running a country into the ground in the name of indigenous revolution?
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Feb 2014
#85
I am more concerned with trying to overthrow the fools that run our country (nt)
bigwillq
Feb 2014
#24
Yes. It is the natural order of things that our RW 1% Plutarch Overlords should own
Zorra
Feb 2014
#36
I'm anti-overthrow, but there's been a lot of what sounds like pro-coup propaganda here lately.
Ken Burch
Feb 2014
#55
No. I didn't support the overthrow of Hugo Chavez, either, but that kinda goes
truth2power
Feb 2014
#68