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davidn3600

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23. You're twisting things...

Sun Feb 23, 2014, 01:23 AM

Feb 2014

First off, im responding in regards to the claim that if more women were in leadership, or encourgaged to seek leadership positions in government, that it would change how women are viewed in the society. And my point was that even in societies with high female participation in leadership, there exists many of the same problems. No matter what stats you want to look at, rape in Sweden is high. There is a lot of pornography in Sweden. There is a lot of prostitution in Sweden. I'm in no way suggesting women shouldnt be in leadership. I am saying that the correlation that is attempting to be made is not there. You are mixing a political issue with a social issue.

Plus, rape is a crime of violence and power, not sex. Rape tends to mirror other violent crime statistics as far as trends go. So its not necessarily related to how people view women in the media. That is an entirely different problem. There is no proven correlation between rape and racy SI magazine covers.

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Since 1789, every U.S. President has belonged to the same privileged fraternity. [View all] pnwmom Feb 2014 OP

That's great. CFLDem Feb 2014 #1

The gender of the presidency has . .. all to do with that individual's own insecurities??? pnwmom Feb 2014 #2

The world is not their psychologist laundry_queen Feb 2014 #84

I am thinking the world is not THEIR linguist. Or translator. Or something. Squinch Feb 2014 #202

This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Feb 2014 #93

I was with you until you appointed yourself as "Psychologist" 2banon Feb 2014 #130

Did I stutter? CFLDem Feb 2014 #132

Think so. bravenak Feb 2014 #176

It's rhetorical bravnak CFLDem Feb 2014 #196

I knew that and chose to mess with you. Cause I'm funny. bravenak Feb 2014 #197

I thought this was going to be about them all being in 'skull and bones' or something..... Captain Stern Feb 2014 #3

Thanks for identifying yourself so clearly. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #4

Likewise. nt Captain Stern Feb 2014 #5

I'm taking a match to that strawman 1000words Feb 2014 #6

You don't get it do you..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #27

Until we have a female President AND Vice President at the same time Matariki Feb 2014 #33

hmm, what about my point in #131 2banon Feb 2014 #133

So the cause of sexism in this country is due to the fact that there hasn't been a female president? Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #41

I don't usually jump into these things, but... Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #83

It's absolutely not the result of sexism. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #99

I'm not speaking of Hillary. Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #111

oh yes it ABSOLUTELY IS VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #137

Why didn't you vote for Michele Bachmann then? Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #138

because she runs AGAINST womens issues! DUH....have you not heard of institutionalized VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #140

I'm tired of your antics. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #141

and I am tired of your denial of sexism! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #142

if you support feminist issues....why didn't you? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #143

Because they ran as Republicans. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #153

If Sarah Palin were to switch parties and run for the Democratic nomination, Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #178

No, because she's an idiot who can't string a simple declarative sentence together. pnwmom Feb 2014 #189

So you have standards other than gender, as do we all. Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #208

Of course. But I refuse to believe that there has never in US history been a fully qualified pnwmom Feb 2014 #209

Correct me if I'm wrong... AZCat Feb 2014 #210

And black men got the vote well before any women. So I guess it's not that surprising. pnwmom Feb 2014 #211

Seriously? That's just... strange. AZCat Feb 2014 #212

That was a single candidate. No other woman has ever been considered a serious candidate pnwmom Feb 2014 #152

But to be honest ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #185

I suspect I know where to find them on DU VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #188

Just toss a rock. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #198

I know right? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #199

Links? Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #201

What about the other 230 years? Squinch Feb 2014 #203

No, you have it backwards. Sexism in this country, reinforced by things like pnwmom Feb 2014 #150

That's a bit of a stretch. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #155

Is that what I said....or a narrative you want to build... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #187

Speak for yourself ... this woman doesn't feel that way at all. SMC22307 Feb 2014 #88

Until women have a President.... ??? Your bias is showing. RC Feb 2014 #127

who has said anyone is "un-human"......... Way to go hyperbolic much? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #151

Who said anything about "un-human"? Make up stuff much? RC Feb 2014 #154

sure by pointing out sexism and racism is calling the perpetrator "unhuman" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #161

You don't get it rustydog Feb 2014 #186

I am not talking about that ending it.....I am talking about the end of feeling VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #207

Abraham Lincoln born to privilege. undeterred Feb 2014 #7

Where is the photo of any woman President's birthplace? Then we'll compare. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #15

Actually, cyberswede Feb 2014 #160

So 7 out of 39 grew up lower middle class or below -- and 0 grew up female. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #195

So when Hillary is elected, than you will feel more comfortable about the SI swimsuit issue? davidn3600 Feb 2014 #8

It isn't the SI issue that bothered me. pnwmom Feb 2014 #10

they are so afraid we want to take away their "precious"...... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #28

I'm a woman and don't feel reminded of that at all. SMC22307 Feb 2014 #9

We agree then that the T & A posts belonged in the lounge, not in G.D. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #11

Oh, absolutely. I mean, Ukraine seems to be breaking apart... SMC22307 Feb 2014 #12

Not our PLACE....our PLACE on GD in DU! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #29

Why are you shouting? SMC22307 Feb 2014 #87

As far as political office goes, the US does not promote female leadership well at all. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #13

Yes, that is pathetic. nt pnwmom Feb 2014 #14

If women were in the streets like people are in Kiev, I'd think it appropriate. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #16

well we are really not marketting the message well if we have so many liberal men on DU VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #30

Maybe some people are turned away from your confrontational ways. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #43

Part of the thing is, it's such a simple concept... Scootaloo Feb 2014 #85

I refuse to listen to people who don't treat me with respect. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #98

You haven't shown you deserve any....I don't respect those that disrespect women.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #206

and maybe you are just wrong.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #101

Way to prove my point. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #103

baseless MY aunt Fanny! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #104

Did you check the papers of all men on this board? SMC22307 Feb 2014 #90

I doubt simply adding more women in government would change how women are viewed by society davidn3600 Feb 2014 #19

The large uptick in rape is the result of a redefinition of what constitutes rape in Sweden. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #20

You're twisting things... davidn3600 Feb 2014 #23

I'm going to sit back and let you point out where I suggested we'd turn into a utopia. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #24

I don't think you will have to wait much longer... XRubicon Feb 2014 #17

And all but one are descended from British royalty. Downwinder Feb 2014 #18

Royals all when you go back far enough. Coyotl Feb 2014 #91

As another old-timer here, let me give you a quiet KnR Hekate Feb 2014 #21

"privileged fraternity" hfojvt Feb 2014 #22

THIS Margaret Thatcher... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #31

I'm confused rrneck Feb 2014 #42

NO that is the exact OPPOSITE of what I was saying..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #44

Ah. It's just that the charts you show for Thacher and Clinton are identical. nt rrneck Feb 2014 #45

I only showed one Hillary...THAT was Hillary.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #48

that was somebody making a chart hfojvt Feb 2014 #95

Uh you should really check the link before you make erroneous statements... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #100

there was no link in post #31 hfojvt Feb 2014 #109

A talking point that will evaporate come 1/2017 tritsofme Feb 2014 #25

There has been a backlash of racism against President Obama since he was elected. pnwmom Feb 2014 #26

we already are seeing it simply because she MIGHT run... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #32

Or because she supported Bush's war in Iraq. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #36

Oh yeah... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #37

Cute graph. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #38

I don't trust yours.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #39

Good for you. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #40

I end it with this.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #46

She lied about Saddam being linked to Al Qaeda. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #50

No one knew WTF was going on then and you know it.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #51

Plenty of us did. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #54

NO "plenty" didnt...that is a damn lie...ALSO many were proven to have NOT been given VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #57

Keep making excuses. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #61

One person by themselves could not have stopped that train.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #66

She was an important vote. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #68

she also did NOT have the same evidence that Bush had... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #70

So she still trusted him........ ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #71

No she didn't....that is a ridiculous statement.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #72

What part of "she still fell for it" do you not understand? ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #75

So...She is qualified because she couldn't see the lies many of us could The Straight Story Feb 2014 #105

that is bullshit because most Americans wanted to go to war then... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #106

Um.... The Straight Story Feb 2014 #110

Yeah-- isn't it sickening? Marr Feb 2014 #78

I remember when saying "they had the same Intel" was a line just for rightwing loons... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #80

Oh my god-- you have got to be fucking kidding me. Marr Feb 2014 #77

so even though it comes from Media Matters? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #79

Oh, bullshit. SMC22307 Feb 2014 #94

and most Americans didn't..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #107

Yet many of us Americans were in the streets... SMC22307 Feb 2014 #113

Millions including Obama. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #164

No one knew? Iggo Feb 2014 #122

when did I say "no one"? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #123

Right here: Iggo Feb 2014 #124

Oh you take that as LITERALLY no one...even there was even one I was supposed to say so... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #125

Nice back-pedal. Iggo Feb 2014 #128

the truth is not backpedal... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #129

How dare you twist her words! ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #165

You said NO ONE! ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #162

your "interruption" is duly noted VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #166

You're lying. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #167

that is not the same thing and YOU know it... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #170

No one is not the same thing as no one. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #171

Didn't see this one before I posted my gripe with this bs.. 2banon Feb 2014 #136

Right because why would we want to back a Populist Liberal? God Forbid! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #169

Criminalize flag burning and supported DOMA. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #172

and that is all you got from ALL of that? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #173

Bush probably tricked her into supporting DOMA. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #174

but if you read my previous post....how she voted belies your stance... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #175

"Let states decide gay marriage" ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #177

Just one issue...when there are about a thousand of them there.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #179

89 percent is a B, which is ok. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #180

So you turn your nose up at a B? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #182

True. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #191

Unlucky for you....NO one has EVER had this much support this far out...ever recorded VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #200

People said she was a sure thing in 2008 too. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #205

So you turn your nose up at a B+? Sorry....near as you can get TO an A! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #182

Hillary a Populist Liberal? LOL. Even she'd have issues with that meme! 2banon Feb 2014 #181

Uh no she wouldn't and I provided proof....where is yours? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #184

.... 2banon Feb 2014 #190

As a Woman, I am in complete agreement with you FTC... 2banon Feb 2014 #135

Thanks! ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #163

I dont see a backlash because of her gender davidn3600 Feb 2014 #49

You don't among the Rethugs? pnwmom Feb 2014 #56

Im only speaking for those at DU davidn3600 Feb 2014 #69

Good point...Thanks. n/t whathehell Feb 2014 #34

So I should have voted for Bachman? ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #35

Not only a stupid idea but not even close to what the OP was saying... Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #52

So it's just her woman that we should vote for? ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #55

My woman? This has nothing specifically to do with HRC, though she is the woman pnwmom Feb 2014 #58

Do they let you make your own meals? Because that could be dangerous. Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #62

Are you making fun of people with mental illnesses? ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #64

Do you not like it when you are responded to in kind? Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #81

Classy people don't make fun of people with mental illnesses. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #168

Classy people don't pretend they don't know whats going on Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #204

Hillary lied about Saddam being connected to Al Qaeda. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #47

Talk about beside the point. Check your reading comprehension. It could use some work.nt pnwmom Feb 2014 #59

Are you throwing your hat in the ring? ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #63

Back at you. nt pnwmom Feb 2014 #65

I'm not a female. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #67

Actually, it's precisely ON POINT.. 2banon Feb 2014 #139

No, the OP has nothing to do with Hillary per se. It has to do with the context pnwmom Feb 2014 #144

I voted for women candidates for president in '08 and 2012. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #53

Do you appreciate T & A photos in G.D.? pnwmom Feb 2014 #60

No. Do you? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #73

If you'd read my OP, you'd have the answer to your question. pnwmom Feb 2014 #76

I find the second paragraph irrelevant to the first. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #97

Well, it isn't. The first sentence is the key context to the second. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #114

Then I find your reasoning irrelevant or, at least, nonsensical. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #116

You're getting closer. pnwmom Feb 2014 #117

"Power tends to corrupt, absolute power corrupts absolutely." Lord Acton Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #118

Well, women don't have equal power, much less absolute power. nt pnwmom Feb 2014 #119

Perhaps the real problem is that too few people have too much power. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #120

I agree. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #121

exactly..it's really a CLass Issue 2banon Feb 2014 #134

Last I looked... deathrind Feb 2014 #74

That's a legitimate point. Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #82

Trash Thread Feral Child Feb 2014 #86

All gender being equal, they have all been quite wealthy--and only grown more so through the office. Romulox Feb 2014 #89

Damned men. Blue_Adept Feb 2014 #92

Did you think it was wrong when African Americans thought it was important pnwmom Feb 2014 #194

Gandhi, MLK Jr., & the Dalai Lama, too Orrex Feb 2014 #96

what is mildly interesting Crepuscular Feb 2014 #102

What's your point? bluestateguy Feb 2014 #108

The first paragraph provides the context for the second. It should be too hard to understand. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #115

It's not really their collective place... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #112

They also have all been heterosexuals. Kurska Feb 2014 #126

Not true. James Buchanan was our first gay President. pnwmom Feb 2014 #148

As a woman, I very much appreciate the point, But Gender alone isn't the issue for me anymore. 2banon Feb 2014 #131

This isn't about who we should pick for President. It's about why T & A photos are offensive pnwmom Feb 2014 #145

It was tied together 2banon Feb 2014 #146

The fact is that we live in a country that has never elected a woman President and in many ways pnwmom Feb 2014 #147

Then "The purpose of the OP" as you put it... cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #157

I understand and agree on those points.. 2banon Feb 2014 #159

Abraham Lincoln, as another poster reminded us, was born in a log cabin. pnwmom Feb 2014 #149

More for the trash can. HappyMe Feb 2014 #156

DU apparently doesn't have a "trash" feature deutsey Feb 2014 #158

I genuinely look forward to the first woman president. CBGLuthier Feb 2014 #192

Of course she, whoever she is, will be as flawed as anyone else. But she will also pnwmom Feb 2014 #193