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In reply to the discussion: D.C. Insider: There's a Shadow Govt. Running the Country, and It's Not Up for Re-Election [View all]blackspade
(10,056 posts)77. I'm not sure what your beef is but,
My point was this: Social Darwinism is a description of an entire period of social thought that originates in the Victorian Period.
Condemning the OP for a quote from this period does not actually address any fallacies with its argument.
As for the quote you just posted, I'll highlight some parts that you have apparently missed:
The term social Darwinist is applied loosely to anyone who interprets human society primarily in terms of biology, struggle, competition, or natural law (a philosophy based on what are considered the permanent characteristics of human nature). Social Darwinism characterizes a variety of past and present social policies and theories, from attempts to reduce the power of government to theories exploring the biological causes of human behavior. Many people believe that the concept of social Darwinism explains the philosophical rationalization behind racism, imperialism, and capitalism. The term has negative implications for most people because they consider it a rejection of compassion and social responsibility.
Notice the last word in the second sentence: Capitalism.
Communism is a form of Capitalism. Communism as practiced is an unfortunate implementation of the social evolutionist theories of Marx and Engels. Social evolution is a Darwinian concept that was applied to various social theories throughout the nineteenth century. In the case of Marxism, with which I am an advocate of, it was theoretically more benign, and I would argue, a progressive form of social Darwinism that tragically was bastardized by authoritarians during the 20th century.
The pejorative use of the word came into vogue during the late 1940s principally in the writings of Richard Hofstadter as a response to the the extreme Victorian ideologies of racism, antisemitism, eugenics that were embraced by early twentieth century dictators and politicians. Unfortunately we still have them today (republicans and libertarians).
As for manners and comportment (I missed this in your last comment), both are a result of theories that the common person could be elevated above their base animal instincts by adopting a rigid set of social codes that covered everything from eating, socializing, education, clothing, etc. The idea was that Victorian morality would elevate those that could be civilized while those that could not were doomed to be socially and culturally inferior. I find it remarkable that many of these ideas still are ingrained in our society today.
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D.C. Insider: There's a Shadow Govt. Running the Country, and It's Not Up for Re-Election [View all]
xchrom
Feb 2014
OP
This is the stupidest "argument," to wit: IF there is no difference, then VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRAT.
WinkyDink
Feb 2014
#13
You are trying to argue with someone that has to include "progressive" in his name to
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#34
How about the screen name of: "AReallyReallyLiberalProgressiveDemocatHonest." nm
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#50
Social darwinism = touting "survival of the fittest" as appropriate social policy.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#33
So what? The core idea is that the "strong" SHOULD prosper and the "weak" SHOULD not.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#48
First, i disagree with you on what you call the "central tenant (sic) of Marxism". But for
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#70
No, actually you just said one thing = another, as though it were self-evident.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#73
I disagree with you and am asking you to explain why you think Marxism is social darwinism.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#78
Ideas aren't just matters of opinion. There is no theory in your discussion. Victorian thought
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#80
So your addition to the discussion here is that you think the OP is funny? Care to elaborate? nm
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#35
You gotta love the absolute certainty. "There is no shadow government in the USA."
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#99
So you dont know with absolute certainty that there isnt a shadow government yet
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#104
Again with the adacious absolute certainty. Just because you dont know of any evidence doesnt
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#110
It's useless to present evidence to someone in denial. Do you accept the evidence for climate
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#113
I'm just tired of all the "shadow government" crap. Same thing the right says all the time.
7962
Feb 2014
#36
Didnt say I didnt care, I said I was tired of it. I'm also tired of "obama is kenyan";
7962
Feb 2014
#49
Then why worry about Romney winning? You think they also want the POSITIVE things Obama's done?
7962
Feb 2014
#89
As tired as you may be of hearing it, the country is a million more times "tired" of it happening.
cui bono
Feb 2014
#84
It's easy to criticize. But much harder to commit. So tell us what you think about this. nm
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#74
The shadow Government is "The Family." Been calling the shots for decades. The White House is mere
blkmusclmachine
Feb 2014
#40
Exactly because voting means you are free. The only obligation of a citizen is to vote.
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#112