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In reply to the discussion: Oh Crap!!! "Social Security Cuts Still ‘on the Table’ but Not in Obama’s Budget"!!! [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)55. Earnest botched the response, but
Its a principle of fairness, Earnest said.
...that comment was about the President's position of asking the rich to pay their fair share.
Q You said, Josh, earlier that chained CPI -- its still on the table. Does the White House view chained CPI as worth taking up only in some kind of transaction for something out of the Republicans? Or is the deficit reduction the chained CPI would give you worth doing on its own?
MR. EARNEST: Its a really good question. Im glad that you asked, and heres why: This is a really important principle for the President not just because its good policy, but because its simple fairness.
The President is not going to be in a position where he is going to ask senior citizens and middle-class families to make sacrifices in pursuit of reducing the deficit and not ask the wealthy and well-connected to make some sacrifices, too; that its just not fair and its not good policy.
So if Republicans -- and Republicans thus far have refused to even consider closing any loophole that would cost a corporation or a wealthy individual one penny; that the second you bring up the prospect of closing tax loopholes, Republicans want to walk away. And why they think that its good policymaking to ask senior citizens and veterans and middle-class families to make sacrifices, but say that corporations and wealthy individuals and well-connected individuals shouldnt have to bear any of that responsibility or make any of those sacrifices, it doesnt make sense. Its not fair and its not good policy.
So thats why the President has insisted that if were going to ask seniors and others to make sacrifices by changing entitlement programs, then were also going to ask corporations and well-connected individuals to give up some of their tax loopholes.
Q So youre saying that chained CPI, while it would reduce the deficit, either doesnt do it enough or doesnt do it in a significant way that would make it worth doing on its own?
MR. EARNEST: Im saying that it would not be fair to just ask seniors to make a sacrifice in support of reducing the deficit without also asking the wealthy and well-connected to give up some of their tax loopholes. That is an important principle. Its a principle of fairness. Its also a principle of good policy.
So if Republicans hearing this exchange are thinking to themselves, well, you know what, that makes a lot of sense, maybe I should call the White House and say, hey, look, Im willing to close some tax loopholes if youre willing to put some entitlement reform changes on the table -- then I would encourage those Republicans to call the White House right now. Im sure we can set up a meeting and we can have a conversation about that.
But that offer has been on the table for more than a year and we have not seen any constructive engagement from the other side. Now, Im not really sure why that is. Is that because Republicans are interested in protecting the tax benefits enjoyed by the people who are funding their campaigns? Is it because Republicans have a philosophical objection to entitlement programs? Youd have to ask them why this isnt a reasonable proposal.
But the President thinks it is a common-sense proposal. People all across the country think that this approach to reducing our deficit makes a lot of sense. We just havent seen a willingness from the other side to engage in a constructive conversation about that. But, again, if the fact of this conversation is going to change that and cause more Republicans to reconsider their position, then were standing by and ready to have that conversation.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/02/20/press-briefing-principal-deputy-press-secretary-josh-earnest-2202014
MR. EARNEST: Its a really good question. Im glad that you asked, and heres why: This is a really important principle for the President not just because its good policy, but because its simple fairness.
The President is not going to be in a position where he is going to ask senior citizens and middle-class families to make sacrifices in pursuit of reducing the deficit and not ask the wealthy and well-connected to make some sacrifices, too; that its just not fair and its not good policy.
So if Republicans -- and Republicans thus far have refused to even consider closing any loophole that would cost a corporation or a wealthy individual one penny; that the second you bring up the prospect of closing tax loopholes, Republicans want to walk away. And why they think that its good policymaking to ask senior citizens and veterans and middle-class families to make sacrifices, but say that corporations and wealthy individuals and well-connected individuals shouldnt have to bear any of that responsibility or make any of those sacrifices, it doesnt make sense. Its not fair and its not good policy.
So thats why the President has insisted that if were going to ask seniors and others to make sacrifices by changing entitlement programs, then were also going to ask corporations and well-connected individuals to give up some of their tax loopholes.
Q So youre saying that chained CPI, while it would reduce the deficit, either doesnt do it enough or doesnt do it in a significant way that would make it worth doing on its own?
MR. EARNEST: Im saying that it would not be fair to just ask seniors to make a sacrifice in support of reducing the deficit without also asking the wealthy and well-connected to give up some of their tax loopholes. That is an important principle. Its a principle of fairness. Its also a principle of good policy.
So if Republicans hearing this exchange are thinking to themselves, well, you know what, that makes a lot of sense, maybe I should call the White House and say, hey, look, Im willing to close some tax loopholes if youre willing to put some entitlement reform changes on the table -- then I would encourage those Republicans to call the White House right now. Im sure we can set up a meeting and we can have a conversation about that.
But that offer has been on the table for more than a year and we have not seen any constructive engagement from the other side. Now, Im not really sure why that is. Is that because Republicans are interested in protecting the tax benefits enjoyed by the people who are funding their campaigns? Is it because Republicans have a philosophical objection to entitlement programs? Youd have to ask them why this isnt a reasonable proposal.
But the President thinks it is a common-sense proposal. People all across the country think that this approach to reducing our deficit makes a lot of sense. We just havent seen a willingness from the other side to engage in a constructive conversation about that. But, again, if the fact of this conversation is going to change that and cause more Republicans to reconsider their position, then were standing by and ready to have that conversation.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/02/20/press-briefing-principal-deputy-press-secretary-josh-earnest-2202014
While he made it clear that this is a Republican request, what he should have done was make it clear that it has nothing to do with deficit reduction.
Still, not only is this a moot issue for this year, but also for the future. Republicans are never going to accept the offer.
How Tea Party Absolutism Cost The GOP A Huge Win On Entitlements
The GOP's long-held dream of slashing the retirement safety net faded this week.
Back in the summer of 2011, Republicans had it within their grasp. A dejected President Barack Obama placed the crown jewels of liberalism on the chopping block, offering Republicans hundreds of billions of dollars in cuts to Social Security and Medicare benefits.
House Speaker John Boehner wanted to seal the so-called grand bargain, and was willing to reciprocate with the $800 billion in new tax revenues that the president sought in return. Democratic leaders were grudgingly willing to support Obama on what they feared was a lopsided deal for conservatives.
But the Ohio Republican, facing a tea party mutiny that threatened his Speakership, and loyalty issues within his own leadership team, was forced to walk away from the table. By many accounts, he was eager to make it happen, but the pressure from the anti-tax tea party movement was too strong to overcome. And so the deal was dead, never to be resurrected.
Nearly three years later, history suggests Boehner was right and the tea party was wrong. Republicans had a once-in-a-generation opportunity to capture their Great White Whale if they just acquiesced to $800 billion in taxes. It turns out they were forced to soak up $650 billion in taxes anyway in the end-of-2012 fiscal cliff deal. Only they got nothing in return on entitlements.
As of this week, Obama has rescinded his proposals to chop Medicare and Social Security benefits. The political landscape has changed, and the dream is over.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/how-tea-party-absolutism-cost-republicans-a-huge-win-on-entitlements
The GOP's long-held dream of slashing the retirement safety net faded this week.
Back in the summer of 2011, Republicans had it within their grasp. A dejected President Barack Obama placed the crown jewels of liberalism on the chopping block, offering Republicans hundreds of billions of dollars in cuts to Social Security and Medicare benefits.
House Speaker John Boehner wanted to seal the so-called grand bargain, and was willing to reciprocate with the $800 billion in new tax revenues that the president sought in return. Democratic leaders were grudgingly willing to support Obama on what they feared was a lopsided deal for conservatives.
But the Ohio Republican, facing a tea party mutiny that threatened his Speakership, and loyalty issues within his own leadership team, was forced to walk away from the table. By many accounts, he was eager to make it happen, but the pressure from the anti-tax tea party movement was too strong to overcome. And so the deal was dead, never to be resurrected.
Nearly three years later, history suggests Boehner was right and the tea party was wrong. Republicans had a once-in-a-generation opportunity to capture their Great White Whale if they just acquiesced to $800 billion in taxes. It turns out they were forced to soak up $650 billion in taxes anyway in the end-of-2012 fiscal cliff deal. Only they got nothing in return on entitlements.
As of this week, Obama has rescinded his proposals to chop Medicare and Social Security benefits. The political landscape has changed, and the dream is over.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/how-tea-party-absolutism-cost-republicans-a-huge-win-on-entitlements

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/21/1279265/-Abbreviated-pundit-roundup-Rejecting-austerity
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024540032
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Oh Crap!!! "Social Security Cuts Still ‘on the Table’ but Not in Obama’s Budget"!!! [View all]
grahamhgreen
Feb 2014
OP
Of course it matters. LIES matter. SS has NOTHING to do with the deficit. That is a lie
sabrina 1
Feb 2014
#105
All the more proof that this admin is really just a shell for the real people in control ...
MindMover
Feb 2014
#127
So, we know it needs to be done, but are unwilling to do anything to get them to do it.
Hoyt
Feb 2014
#29
I wish you weren't right but you are. I'm suffering right now because of the way
Cleita
Feb 2014
#31
I'm no saying this cause I want it to be true, but things are really screwed up and they will get
Hoyt
Feb 2014
#34
You act like the ONLY way to increase taxes on the wealthy is to cut SS, not true!!!! :-)
grahamhgreen
Feb 2014
#138
Trying to make them do the right thing by offering up SS cuts IS doing the wrong thing.
SammyWinstonJack
Feb 2014
#54
Nice theory but what happens when the media is controlled by the conservatives themselves, the story
grahamhgreen
Feb 2014
#140
Politics 101. You withhold something like military funding from them until they cave.
grahamhgreen
Feb 2014
#137
Do you turn complicated things over to folks who quote Medicine 101, Investments 101, Politics 101?
Hoyt
Feb 2014
#143
Only if what he's doing is actually trying to cut SS. Otherwise he's failing politics 101. You must
grahamhgreen
Feb 2014
#144
Well, FIRST you DON'T hand them everything they want and brag about bipartisanship.
FiveGoodMen
Feb 2014
#152
This is not what it takes. It's the opposite of what it takes. Conflating Social security with taxes
grahamhgreen
Feb 2014
#17
You need to quit reading by pointing at each word. Try reading in chunks. Things will make sense.
Hoyt
Feb 2014
#84
Well 117 House Democrats and 15 Senate Democrats disagree with you and Obama
neverforget
Feb 2014
#103
What's with this buying of Republican talking points regarding Social Security?
neverforget
Feb 2014
#104
Please stop the bullshit. The poorest are not protected at all--some of the cuts (but not all)
eridani
Feb 2014
#24
Actually, removing cap doesn't solve entire problem. And SS may well be 100% of my retirement.
Hoyt
Feb 2014
#33
Raising the cap just on workers making over $250,000 makes it solvent 'forever', do you need a link
grahamhgreen
Feb 2014
#124
Would like to see a link. Bernie Sanders offered a Bill to do just that, it got nowhere.
Hoyt
Feb 2014
#129
Chained CPI got nowhere - get the president behind the Sanders bill and we can get it passed:)
grahamhgreen
Feb 2014
#148
Excuse you, no way. That's right, way system works today, current worker's FICA taxes are paying
Hoyt
Feb 2014
#82
The article relies on bullshit assumptions, projecting the shortfall to FOREVER
eridani
Feb 2014
#109
I take it you are admitting you were wrong about boomers prepaying their retirement? n/t
eridani
Feb 2014
#112
No, I'm right that they didn't pay enough, and I take no satisfaction in being right.
Hoyt
Feb 2014
#113
Do you even have an idea of what is paid out of the fund each year? That trillion
Hoyt
Feb 2014
#120
If you go back to "pay as you go, " you gotta have enough people with good jobs paying in, and
Hoyt
Feb 2014
#122
That would also require exiting the costly trade agreements that siphon off high paying jobs.
grahamhgreen
Feb 2014
#149
I get it, but Congress doesn't. Heck, even Catford Commission supported big cuts military.
Hoyt
Feb 2014
#21
Why not bargain with military cuts? Either raise taxes or I'm cutting the military....
grahamhgreen
Feb 2014
#125
Guess you missed the fact we are already starving children with cuts to food stamps while we do what
Hoyt
Feb 2014
#128
That's completely without basis. We just stood our ground and got chained-CPI off the table, lol!!!
grahamhgreen
Feb 2014
#130
"I'll give up a little of my SS to get taxes increased, if that is what it takes."
putitinD
Feb 2014
#27
And Obama's proposal would not affect you. In fact, Catford Commission would have given you an
Hoyt
Feb 2014
#53
We're only asking that he unequivocally take SS cuts off the table, now and forever.
grahamhgreen
Feb 2014
#145
Your exercise in futility is misspent ... because the government has little or nothing to do ...
MindMover
Feb 2014
#131
I know I will get slammed for this BUT this makes me sick. I never thought I'd EVER see a Democrat
diabeticman
Feb 2014
#52
I'm right there with you. "Democrat" = "100% S.S. Supporter." The New Deal is our raison d'etre.
WinkyDink
Feb 2014
#66
"I will need every penny I get from SS, but I'd put a little a risk in hopes we improve situation
djean111
Feb 2014
#58
Fine, we'll sit stagnant for a decade or two, and all those things - including SS - will get worse.
Hoyt
Feb 2014
#94
No reason to "sit stagnant". Unless you feel the onliest bestest thing to do is just
djean111
Feb 2014
#97
OMG!!! "Principle of fairness"?!?! To take a PITTANCE from a billionaire and a LIFE-ALTERING
WinkyDink
Feb 2014
#61
and that's the crux of affluenza: the rich will complain even more about a 40% loss
MisterP
Feb 2014
#114
Indeed. And I have a real ancient one. I taught BritLit, and for the Medieval
WinkyDink
Feb 2014
#154
I'm afraid it's all a package, guys. You can't have the forever wars, the "free trade", the bankster
Romulox
Feb 2014
#67
It is really fascinating to read the Third Way talking points concerning Social Security cuts.
djean111
Feb 2014
#90
Agreed. I can only think the majority of the pro-chained CPI crowd are paid trolls!
grahamhgreen
Feb 2014
#115
I am starting to think of Third Way politicians and the people who support them as non-Democrats.
djean111
Feb 2014
#119
I've heard the term "Republican Democrats" as well. I saw an article recently about the Koch's
grahamhgreen
Feb 2014
#126