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55. Earnest botched the response, but
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 09:41 AM
Feb 2014
“It’s a principle of fairness,” Earnest said.


...that comment was about the President's position of asking the rich to pay their fair share.

Q You said, Josh, earlier that chained CPI -- it’s still on the table. Does the White House view chained CPI as worth taking up only in some kind of transaction for something out of the Republicans? Or is the deficit reduction the chained CPI would give you worth doing on its own?

MR. EARNEST: It’s a really good question. I’m glad that you asked, and here’s why: This is a really important principle for the President not just because it’s good policy, but because it’s simple fairness.

The President is not going to be in a position where he is going to ask senior citizens and middle-class families to make sacrifices in pursuit of reducing the deficit and not ask the wealthy and well-connected to make some sacrifices, too; that it’s just not fair and it’s not good policy.


So if Republicans -- and Republicans thus far have refused to even consider closing any loophole that would cost a corporation or a wealthy individual one penny; that the second you bring up the prospect of closing tax loopholes, Republicans want to walk away. And why they think that it’s good policymaking to ask senior citizens and veterans and middle-class families to make sacrifices, but say that corporations and wealthy individuals and well-connected individuals shouldn’t have to bear any of that responsibility or make any of those sacrifices, it doesn’t make sense. It’s not fair and it’s not good policy.

So that’s why the President has insisted that if we’re going to ask seniors and others to make sacrifices by changing entitlement programs, then we’re also going to ask corporations and well-connected individuals to give up some of their tax loopholes.

Q So you’re saying that chained CPI, while it would reduce the deficit, either doesn’t do it enough or doesn’t do it in a significant way that would make it worth doing on its own?

MR. EARNEST: I’m saying that it would not be fair to just ask seniors to make a sacrifice in support of reducing the deficit without also asking the wealthy and well-connected to give up some of their tax loopholes. That is an important principle. It’s a principle of fairness. It’s also a principle of good policy.

So if Republicans hearing this exchange are thinking to themselves, well, you know what, that makes a lot of sense, maybe I should call the White House and say, hey, look, I’m willing to close some tax loopholes if you’re willing to put some entitlement reform changes on the table -- then I would encourage those Republicans to call the White House right now. I’m sure we can set up a meeting and we can have a conversation about that.

But that offer has been on the table for more than a year and we have not seen any constructive engagement from the other side. Now, I’m not really sure why that is. Is that because Republicans are interested in protecting the tax benefits enjoyed by the people who are funding their campaigns? Is it because Republicans have a philosophical objection to entitlement programs? You’d have to ask them why this isn’t a reasonable proposal.

But the President thinks it is a common-sense proposal. People all across the country think that this approach to reducing our deficit makes a lot of sense. We just haven’t seen a willingness from the other side to engage in a constructive conversation about that. But, again, if the fact of this conversation is going to change that and cause more Republicans to reconsider their position, then we’re standing by and ready to have that conversation.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/02/20/press-briefing-principal-deputy-press-secretary-josh-earnest-2202014

While he made it clear that this is a Republican request, what he should have done was make it clear that it has nothing to do with deficit reduction.

Still, not only is this a moot issue for this year, but also for the future. Republicans are never going to accept the offer.




How Tea Party Absolutism Cost The GOP A Huge Win On Entitlements

The GOP's long-held dream of slashing the retirement safety net faded this week.

Back in the summer of 2011, Republicans had it within their grasp. A dejected President Barack Obama placed the crown jewels of liberalism on the chopping block, offering Republicans hundreds of billions of dollars in cuts to Social Security and Medicare benefits.

House Speaker John Boehner wanted to seal the so-called grand bargain, and was willing to reciprocate with the $800 billion in new tax revenues that the president sought in return. Democratic leaders were grudgingly willing to support Obama on what they feared was a lopsided deal for conservatives.

But the Ohio Republican, facing a tea party mutiny that threatened his Speakership, and loyalty issues within his own leadership team, was forced to walk away from the table. By many accounts, he was eager to make it happen, but the pressure from the anti-tax tea party movement was too strong to overcome. And so the deal was dead, never to be resurrected.

Nearly three years later, history suggests Boehner was right and the tea party was wrong. Republicans had a once-in-a-generation opportunity to capture their Great White Whale if they just acquiesced to $800 billion in taxes. It turns out they were forced to soak up $650 billion in taxes anyway in the end-of-2012 fiscal cliff deal. Only they got nothing in return on entitlements.

As of this week, Obama has rescinded his proposals to chop Medicare and Social Security benefits. The political landscape has changed, and the dream is over.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/how-tea-party-absolutism-cost-republicans-a-huge-win-on-entitlements




http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/21/1279265/-Abbreviated-pundit-roundup-Rejecting-austerity

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024540032


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Sigh what is wrong with us. First we are throwing away children's school Cleita Feb 2014 #1
My Boss every year... yeoman6987 Feb 2014 #57
What an insensitive creep. Cleita Feb 2014 #60
Not at all yeoman6987 Feb 2014 #65
Doesn't matter n2doc Feb 2014 #2
It matters. Lasher Feb 2014 #5
^^^^THIS^^^^ cliffordu Feb 2014 #15
Absolutely it matters. woo me with science Feb 2014 #23
Let me get this straight. Marr Feb 2014 #39
OUCH! DJ13 Feb 2014 #42
That's gonna leave a mark! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2014 #50
Amazing isn't it? neverforget Feb 2014 #74
Smack! grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #99
who gives a F*** about repukes? Skittles Feb 2014 #43
Amen, Sister! Amen! Lasher Feb 2014 #87
INDEED! woo me with science Feb 2014 #92
If it doesn't matter, then he shouldn't do it! grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #93
Of course it matters. LIES matter. SS has NOTHING to do with the deficit. That is a lie sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #105
All the more proof that this admin is really just a shell for the real people in control ... MindMover Feb 2014 #127
Sad to say, that may very well be the case. n/t sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #133
This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Feb 2014 #3
I'll give up a little of my SS to get taxes increased, if that is what it takes. Hoyt Feb 2014 #4
They can increase taxes without penalizing the poor especially seniors Cleita Feb 2014 #6
How? krawhitham Feb 2014 #25
I didn't say they would do it, just that it can be done. Cleita Feb 2014 #26
So, we know it needs to be done, but are unwilling to do anything to get them to do it. Hoyt Feb 2014 #29
I wish you weren't right but you are. I'm suffering right now because of the way Cleita Feb 2014 #31
I'm no saying this cause I want it to be true, but things are really screwed up and they will get Hoyt Feb 2014 #34
We do need to band together and start pushing them to do the right thing. Cleita Feb 2014 #35
Here's an article on the transaction tax. Cleita Feb 2014 #36
Easy peasy.... IF you push for it, instead of offering up chained CPI! grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #139
You act like the ONLY way to increase taxes on the wealthy is to cut SS, not true!!!! :-) grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #138
Trying to make them do the right thing by offering up SS cuts IS doing the wrong thing. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2014 #54
Agreed but... krawhitham Feb 2014 #91
Nice theory but what happens when the media is controlled by the conservatives themselves, the story grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #140
Politics 101. You withhold something like military funding from them until they cave. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #137
Do you turn complicated things over to folks who quote Medicine 101, Investments 101, Politics 101? Hoyt Feb 2014 #143
Only if what he's doing is actually trying to cut SS. Otherwise he's failing politics 101. You must grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #144
Well, FIRST you DON'T hand them everything they want and brag about bipartisanship. FiveGoodMen Feb 2014 #152
Then the next Republican in office cuts taxes and further cuts SS Fumesucker Feb 2014 #7
and which repuke are you talkin about fume ... MindMover Feb 2014 #159
It makes no difference, they ~all~ want to cut taxes Fumesucker Feb 2014 #160
You have no right to give up others' Social Security. woo me with science Feb 2014 #9
Nice to see some folks are not interested in what is best for country. Hoyt Feb 2014 #16
This is not what it takes. It's the opposite of what it takes. Conflating Social security with taxes grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #17
A bunch. How about you? I want more SS too, but it ain't happening. Hoyt Feb 2014 #20
You want more SS but support cutting it? neverforget Feb 2014 #76
You need to quit reading by pointing at each word. Try reading in chunks. Things will make sense. Hoyt Feb 2014 #84
I got that point by reading your posts "in chunks". neverforget Feb 2014 #98
I don't think tweaking it under a Democrat hurts us as much as when electorate Hoyt Feb 2014 #101
Well 117 House Democrats and 15 Senate Democrats disagree with you and Obama neverforget Feb 2014 #103
We need to cut SS *now,* because woo me with science Feb 2014 #102
What's with this buying of Republican talking points regarding Social Security? neverforget Feb 2014 #104
A bunch is not a number. Give me a number:) grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #116
Please stop the bullshit. The poorest are not protected at all--some of the cuts (but not all) eridani Feb 2014 #24
Actually, removing cap doesn't solve entire problem. And SS may well be 100% of my retirement. Hoyt Feb 2014 #33
The issue of shitty jobs is best dealt with by raising the minimum wage eridani Feb 2014 #44
Actually, it is not a separate issue because roughly 14% of increase goes to SS. Hoyt Feb 2014 #51
Is English your native tongue? Your lack of "the" bugs. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #72
Poor thing. Hoyt Feb 2014 #79
You don't give in to Repukes on Social Security, period eridani Feb 2014 #108
How do you plan to get that penny in time? Hoyt Feb 2014 #110
You are ignorant of Social Security. Please just stop. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #70
You doubt that huh? Here read this from report by Congressional Research Service Hoyt Feb 2014 #83
Raising the cap just on workers making over $250,000 makes it solvent 'forever', do you need a link grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #124
Would like to see a link. Bernie Sanders offered a Bill to do just that, it got nowhere. Hoyt Feb 2014 #129
Chained CPI got nowhere - get the president behind the Sanders bill and we can get it passed:) grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #148
Will not happen. You might get a much smaller tax on such income, if Hoyt Feb 2014 #151
"the youth who pay our SS"---EXCUSE ME?? WinkyDink Feb 2014 #62
Excuse you, no way. That's right, way system works today, current worker's FICA taxes are paying Hoyt Feb 2014 #82
That's bullshit. Current benefits are being paid out of the trust fund eridani Feb 2014 #106
You have to ge kidding. Read link in post 83. I wish your view were right, Hoyt Feb 2014 #107
The article relies on bullshit assumptions, projecting the shortfall to FOREVER eridani Feb 2014 #109
Wish today's SS Trustees were smoking the same stuff. Hoyt Feb 2014 #111
I take it you are admitting you were wrong about boomers prepaying their retirement? n/t eridani Feb 2014 #112
No, I'm right that they didn't pay enough, and I take no satisfaction in being right. Hoyt Feb 2014 #113
There is no shortfall, period eridani Feb 2014 #118
Do you even have an idea of what is paid out of the fund each year? That trillion Hoyt Feb 2014 #120
It's SUPPOSED to go fast! eridani Feb 2014 #121
If you go back to "pay as you go, " you gotta have enough people with good jobs paying in, and Hoyt Feb 2014 #122
That would also require exiting the costly trade agreements that siphon off high paying jobs. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #149
But we don't even need to raise taxes. Although I would be truedelphi Feb 2014 #12
I get it, but Congress doesn't. Heck, even Catford Commission supported big cuts military. Hoyt Feb 2014 #21
Why not bargain with military cuts? Either raise taxes or I'm cutting the military.... grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #125
Guess you missed the fact we are already starving children with cuts to food stamps while we do what Hoyt Feb 2014 #128
That's completely without basis. We just stood our ground and got chained-CPI off the table, lol!!! grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #130
You give yourself too much credit. Hoyt Feb 2014 #134
Wait til you see Chained_CPI go away, pemanently:-) grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #146
This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Feb 2014 #19
"I'll give up a little of my SS to get taxes increased, if that is what it takes." putitinD Feb 2014 #27
So nice and wonderful that you are willing Bohunk68 Feb 2014 #45
And Obama's proposal would not affect you. In fact, Catford Commission would have given you an Hoyt Feb 2014 #53
I've probably been involved in politics Bohunk68 Feb 2014 #117
You must be close to 90 years old. Hoyt Feb 2014 #123
I get $825/mo. yeoman6987 Feb 2014 #63
Neoliberalism = Republican economics. woo me with science Feb 2014 #8
That is the reason he so admires Saint Ronnie. Lasher Feb 2014 #10
But even David Stockman, Reagan's economic advisor, now thinks both truedelphi Feb 2014 #13
Yup. Want to drive home how extreme the corruption woo me with science Feb 2014 #68
And not FDR. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #64
Maybe ProSense Feb 2014 #14
Only those who didn't read or listen to his words, woo me with science Feb 2014 #22
+1 progressoid Feb 2014 #32
Dang! +1! Enthusiast Feb 2014 #41
That's hilarious. ProSense Feb 2014 #47
Question: ProSense Feb 2014 #49
Every time I see one of your long posts, I think of an octopus squirting ink. Marr Feb 2014 #37
Your comments remind me of nonsense. ProSense Feb 2014 #48
The charge is justified in this case. Lasher Feb 2014 #73
I can't imagine ProSense Feb 2014 #75
Wildly inaccurate assertion on two levels: Lasher Feb 2014 #85
You nailed it. woo me with science Feb 2014 #69
Maybe some on SS got a one-time check, but Bohunk68 Feb 2014 #46
We're only asking that he unequivocally take SS cuts off the table, now and forever. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #145
not really - just part of the grand strategy DrDan Feb 2014 #11
A principle of fairness, my ass: how effin' disingenuous indepat Feb 2014 #18
War is Peace. woo me with science Feb 2014 #78
Screwing little old ladies for billionaire pocket change is FAIR? aquart Feb 2014 #28
Third Way Planet. djean111 Feb 2014 #59
"The embrace of a culture of cruelty." woo me with science Feb 2014 #77
Triangulation...again. 2014 style. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #30
I have to wonder how Aerows Feb 2014 #40
Your exercise in futility is misspent ... because the government has little or nothing to do ... MindMover Feb 2014 #131
If you agree Aerows Feb 2014 #38
I know I will get slammed for this BUT this makes me sick. I never thought I'd EVER see a Democrat diabeticman Feb 2014 #52
No slamming from me and I agree... SammyWinstonJack Feb 2014 #56
I'm right there with you. "Democrat" = "100% S.S. Supporter." The New Deal is our raison d'etre. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #66
I think this should drive home to everyone that the Third Way woo me with science Feb 2014 #80
Earnest botched the response, but ProSense Feb 2014 #55
"I will need every penny I get from SS, but I'd put a little a risk in hopes we improve situation djean111 Feb 2014 #58
Exactly! ctsnowman Feb 2014 #88
Fine, we'll sit stagnant for a decade or two, and all those things - including SS - will get worse. Hoyt Feb 2014 #94
No reason to "sit stagnant". Unless you feel the onliest bestest thing to do is just djean111 Feb 2014 #97
No, I'm posting about political reality. Hoyt Feb 2014 #100
"We need to do something now" enlightenment Feb 2014 #141
OMG!!! "Principle of fairness"?!?! To take a PITTANCE from a billionaire and a LIFE-ALTERING WinkyDink Feb 2014 #61
That's the beauty of post-partisan negotiations jsr Feb 2014 #71
Fer shure! But I am partisan to the core! WinkyDink Feb 2014 #153
+1000000000 woo me with science Feb 2014 #86
and that's the crux of affluenza: the rich will complain even more about a 40% loss MisterP Feb 2014 #114
Indeed. And I have a real ancient one. I taught BritLit, and for the Medieval WinkyDink Feb 2014 #154
I'm afraid it's all a package, guys. You can't have the forever wars, the "free trade", the bankster Romulox Feb 2014 #67
We can't have our dystopia and eat it, too? nt woo me with science Feb 2014 #81
Link to the letter from Sen. Sanders ctsnowman Feb 2014 #89
It is really fascinating to read the Third Way talking points concerning Social Security cuts. djean111 Feb 2014 #90
Agreed. I can only think the majority of the pro-chained CPI crowd are paid trolls! grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #115
I am starting to think of Third Way politicians and the people who support them as non-Democrats. djean111 Feb 2014 #119
I've heard the term "Republican Democrats" as well. I saw an article recently about the Koch's grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #126
kick woo me with science Feb 2014 #95
kick woo me with science Feb 2014 #96
Kicked because ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #132
Obama's Deputy Press Secretary Josh Earnest raised the issue. Why? grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #136
I did know a Deputy Press Secretary ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #142
Can't, but he can raise an issue! :-) grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #147
Would you be in favor of a CCPI ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #150
No on both:) grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #155
Why not? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #156
So I can simply say, NO on cuts to Social Security. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #158
That honest ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #161
In my view, any cuts to benefits to any parties weakens SS:) grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #162
Even if those cuts all fell on the wealthy? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #163
Yes. They need to be taxed more, not benefitted less. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #164
The administration has changed its tactics, truebluegreen Feb 2014 #135
same with its approach to warfare MisterP Feb 2014 #157
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