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Igel

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23. Ever listen to a Spanish class in school?
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 12:06 PM
Feb 2014

Not so much learning. Mostly avoidance. From 8th grade up.

Even the bilingual 5th grade class I observed for a while was pretty pointless. There was a distinct bias. The Spanish-speakers were favored by the Spanish-language teacher and coached in a lot of ways. The native English-speakers found the Spanish to be a joke, and the Spanish-language teacher was not favorable to them.

Hard to spot if you didn't speak both languages. The English-language teacher knew no Spanish.

And I could only pity the kids in the bilingual Spanish/English class just because that was the one that the district had designed the "ESL" class. It's the fatal flaw in Lau-mandated ESL instruction in the US for years, one that politically adept groups love and others less numerous are powerless to even complain about. These few kids weren't Spanish speaking and were recent arrivals. Ever see a kid in the US for a month try to sort out English when half his school day is in Spanish? Good for Latino immigrants. Horrendous for Vietnamese, Thai, Russian immigrants.

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this is why we should start requiring spanish in schools and add in a 3rd language JI7 Feb 2014 #1
Yeah; I really support more foreign language instruction and requirements Recursion Feb 2014 #2
Totally agree. tecelote Feb 2014 #12
Depends where you live. Igel Feb 2014 #25
Ever listen to a Spanish class in school? Igel Feb 2014 #23
I teach Spanish I and II in high school. knitter4democracy Feb 2014 #35
The Dutch start language learning... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #31
Our communities in the US Aerows Feb 2014 #3
Probably a more useful summer job than McDonalds alarimer Feb 2014 #21
I disagree to an extent Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #4
Agreed Treant Feb 2014 #6
Yes Dorian Gray Feb 2014 #17
so how this is a problem with race, as opposed to knowledge with which people are raised? nt msongs Feb 2014 #5
Exactly. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #11
It isn't so much about not volunteering as not volunteering JoeyT Feb 2014 #7
Just going to the third world and spending money there is probably already helping, frankly. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #8
I call it the Edmund Hilary complex malaise Feb 2014 #9
Hillary always made it very clear Tenzing summited first Recursion Feb 2014 #14
Yeah! Dorian Gray Feb 2014 #16
Much less having it said of him that he "discovered" Everest. n/t Igel Feb 2014 #26
This should go in here somewhere. Downwinder Feb 2014 #10
If you can replace pipoman Feb 2014 #13
The author is way too obsessed with race. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #15
I think the author makes the mistake of assuming that all hedgehog Feb 2014 #18
lots of white people have similar skill sets to the peoples of the third world and skills they need loli phabay Feb 2014 #22
This is a problem not with race but with culture Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #19
White people: Genetically incapable of bricklaying and light masonry. Codeine Feb 2014 #20
Yeah, we suck. SMC22307 Feb 2014 #29
Habitat for Humanity has been utilizing unskilled labor for years csziggy Feb 2014 #24
Indeed. Igel Feb 2014 #27
The article is about voluntourism, not real volunteering csziggy Feb 2014 #28
The sentence "we also got a week-long safari" kind of said that for me Recursion Feb 2014 #32
Yes - the people I know that volunteer tend to live rough csziggy Feb 2014 #37
Good advice. I recommend reading Barbara Kingsolver's novel, "The Poisonwood Bible" in Zorra Feb 2014 #30
Good article, but what in the heck does this have to do with "privilege"? AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #33
It has everything to do with white privilege. kwassa Feb 2014 #36
Yeah. The "Teach For America" fallacy, even... (nt) Recursion Feb 2014 #38
An excellent example. kwassa Feb 2014 #39
Shocking that people who haven't ever done physical manual labor aren't very good at it Fumesucker Feb 2014 #34
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