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Igel

(37,535 posts)
25. Depends where you live.
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 12:14 PM
Feb 2014

Language use is driven by usefulness. Rarely is it driven by some high-minded pretense at being a world-citizen or preserving culture.

Usefulness is what's perceived. If you're in a European country your English might be great if you're in a city where you use English and need it for work, or if you admire English speakers in some way and want to have access to their culture and writings or media for some reason.

Otherwise it's mostly a perceived waste of time.

In US high-schools you wind up having Spanish, French, German, and other languages taught. All are equally good languages for all the cognitive benefits. Spanish gets pushed because of domestic politics and ideology--to show solidarity and empathy, perhaps. In some areas it's a useful language; but most English speakers don't find it to be prestigious and if they learn it at all they acquire a sort of creole or restricted code that's good enough for being a shopkeeper or installing HVAC. Some heritage speakers learn it to stay in touch with "their" culture, even as their actual cultures shift and diverge from that of their parents and grandparents and those of other Spanish-speaking immigrants or native born.

Then again, culture and language are distinct.

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this is why we should start requiring spanish in schools and add in a 3rd language JI7 Feb 2014 #1
Yeah; I really support more foreign language instruction and requirements Recursion Feb 2014 #2
Totally agree. tecelote Feb 2014 #12
Depends where you live. Igel Feb 2014 #25
Ever listen to a Spanish class in school? Igel Feb 2014 #23
I teach Spanish I and II in high school. knitter4democracy Feb 2014 #35
The Dutch start language learning... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #31
Our communities in the US Aerows Feb 2014 #3
Probably a more useful summer job than McDonalds alarimer Feb 2014 #21
I disagree to an extent Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #4
Agreed Treant Feb 2014 #6
Yes Dorian Gray Feb 2014 #17
so how this is a problem with race, as opposed to knowledge with which people are raised? nt msongs Feb 2014 #5
Exactly. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #11
It isn't so much about not volunteering as not volunteering JoeyT Feb 2014 #7
Just going to the third world and spending money there is probably already helping, frankly. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #8
I call it the Edmund Hilary complex malaise Feb 2014 #9
Hillary always made it very clear Tenzing summited first Recursion Feb 2014 #14
Yeah! Dorian Gray Feb 2014 #16
Much less having it said of him that he "discovered" Everest. n/t Igel Feb 2014 #26
This should go in here somewhere. Downwinder Feb 2014 #10
If you can replace pipoman Feb 2014 #13
The author is way too obsessed with race. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #15
I think the author makes the mistake of assuming that all hedgehog Feb 2014 #18
lots of white people have similar skill sets to the peoples of the third world and skills they need loli phabay Feb 2014 #22
This is a problem not with race but with culture Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #19
White people: Genetically incapable of bricklaying and light masonry. Codeine Feb 2014 #20
Yeah, we suck. SMC22307 Feb 2014 #29
Habitat for Humanity has been utilizing unskilled labor for years csziggy Feb 2014 #24
Indeed. Igel Feb 2014 #27
The article is about voluntourism, not real volunteering csziggy Feb 2014 #28
The sentence "we also got a week-long safari" kind of said that for me Recursion Feb 2014 #32
Yes - the people I know that volunteer tend to live rough csziggy Feb 2014 #37
Good advice. I recommend reading Barbara Kingsolver's novel, "The Poisonwood Bible" in Zorra Feb 2014 #30
Good article, but what in the heck does this have to do with "privilege"? AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #33
It has everything to do with white privilege. kwassa Feb 2014 #36
Yeah. The "Teach For America" fallacy, even... (nt) Recursion Feb 2014 #38
An excellent example. kwassa Feb 2014 #39
Shocking that people who haven't ever done physical manual labor aren't very good at it Fumesucker Feb 2014 #34
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