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billh58

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101. Isn't that what I said?

Sun Feb 23, 2014, 03:05 PM

Feb 2014

It's SYG against yourself. Besides, who in the hell would you prosecute in a successful gun suicide?

Here's a tidbit from a study that you and the NRA disagree with, but what in the hell does the Harvard School of Public Health know?

"Ecologic studies that compare states with high gun ownership levels to those with low gun ownership levels find that in the U.S., where there are more guns, there are more suicides. The higher suicide rates result from higher firearm suicides; the non-firearm suicide rate is about equal across states."

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/risk/

But hey, since suicide is legal and just a mental health issue anyway, why should we care? Right?

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Since 1968, More Americans Have Died From Gunfire Than All U.S. Wars Combined [View all] kpete Feb 2014 OP

Freedumb! Scuba Feb 2014 #1

Of course you must include suicides Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #2

How many of those deaths attributed to war were Suicides? madokie Feb 2014 #4

None? JJChambers Feb 2014 #7

Very few I assume Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #8

True, guns significantly increase suicide rates, as study after study has found. DanTex Feb 2014 #24

Second Amendment absolutists do not billh58 Feb 2014 #88

Do you think Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #91

You mean they aren't? n/t billh58 Feb 2014 #92

If they are legal like you say Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #97

Isn't that what I said? billh58 Feb 2014 #101

I cannot speak for the "Second Amendment absolutists", ManiacJoe Feb 2014 #167

So steps like billh58 Feb 2014 #169

Thanks for proving my point. ManiacJoe Feb 2014 #171

Suicide is de facto billh58 Feb 2014 #172

True. ManiacJoe Feb 2014 #173

Include that part, the point remains. morningfog Feb 2014 #42

K&R. Access to guns increases suicides. Coyotl Feb 2014 #3

not really Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #5

Yes, really. DanTex Feb 2014 #103

from the WHO Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #106

Point me to the part where the WHO denies that gun access increases suicide rates. DanTex Feb 2014 #112

We need more wars! malthaussen Feb 2014 #6

I wonder why Mr. Shields neglected Go Vols Feb 2014 #9

It is always forgotten sarisataka Feb 2014 #11

Well 1968 was the year when modern gun control was created... aikoaiko Feb 2014 #10

so you think if there had been even less regulation the numbers would be lower? Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #15

Is that what you think I said? aikoaiko Feb 2014 #18

so what exactly was your point? Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #21

My point was to note when modern gun control was created. aikoaiko Feb 2014 #23

So you were just blurting out random facts? Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #30

He's saying gun control kills Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #32

That's absurd. I would never say nor think such a thing. aikoaiko Feb 2014 #75

Well he didn't explicitly say that. He's being coy and refusing to 'fess up to what his point Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #116

Do you think it is a random fact? aikoaiko Feb 2014 #34

When were Tommy guns outlawed? Oh yeah. You're wrong. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #53

Most of what we argue about today is 1968 GCA related or things that came over that law. aikoaiko Feb 2014 #83

Not at all. Just correcting your factual inaccuracies Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #93

"Tommy guns" have never been outlawed. aikoaiko Feb 2014 #117

Tommy Guns weren't outlawed. In the thoroughly modern 30s. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #122

"Tommy Guns" were never "outlawed". oneshooter Feb 2014 #124

Why is it relevant to gun deaths? Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #115

And let's not forget that 1968 was the year that 2001, A Space Odyssey came out... DanTex Feb 2014 #41

Here's Shields himself. 1968 was in reference to RFK assassination Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #64

Yes, I never claimed that Shield's noticed that modern gun control started in 1968. aikoaiko Feb 2014 #79

Just pointing out ACTUAL words spoken. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #82

Ok. aikoaiko Feb 2014 #85

I could have sworn it was to disarm blacks due to the Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #133

No. That would be most gun laws in southern states prior to 1930's Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #134

You better check your 1968 history. That's established Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #137

Did you know that 443,000 people die a year directly or indirectly from cigarettes? Rex Feb 2014 #12

Cigarettes should be far more restricted than they are Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #22

"Death merchants". +1 Hekate Feb 2014 #87

Um-um-um! More prohibition. Think of the black market potential... Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #125

I specifically did not include prohibition Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #132

Do you know that MILLIONS will die this year in the United States PERIOD! yeoman6987 Feb 2014 #119

That's 2.5 million deaths resulting from a human pulling a trigger. Wow. flvegan Feb 2014 #13

I'm sure some war dead died by other means Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #20

gungeoneers will be begging gd hosts to supress this op. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #14

Yes they will. But suppressing the truth is a Republican value Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #17

"Just you wait". the motto of gun grabbers for 20 years. hack89 Feb 2014 #25

Golden age of gun rights killing people at higher rates Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #29

Keep believing that if you wish hack89 Feb 2014 #35

10% of your posts in RKBA gungeon?! Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #37

Why do grabbers always think of someone's genitalia when guns are mentioned? hack89 Feb 2014 #44

Because the macho language and attitude of gun lovers like yourself Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #48

Talking to you is very reassuring. Nt hack89 Feb 2014 #62

A couple ideas to consider in promoting gun control sarisataka Feb 2014 #86

it is not the gun control folks obssessed with the guns = genitals metaphor TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #54

I never see any Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #94

Aparently he is a"one shot wonder". oneshooter Feb 2014 #126

are you guys really too slow to use google? TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #163

Nope, I just figured that you were typical of the gun banners here. oneshooter Feb 2014 #164

No - most Americans can separate suicides from crime hack89 Feb 2014 #26

Death from guns is death from guns Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #31

So what is your solution? Nt hack89 Feb 2014 #46

You will get no answer from that one. n/t oneshooter Feb 2014 #127

Scientifically literate Americans are probably aware of the plethora of studies finding DanTex Feb 2014 #33

So does access to drug and alcohol hack89 Feb 2014 #39

Homicide is also a complex issue. As is war. I'm not sure what your point is. DanTex Feb 2014 #43

What specific laws short of a ban will reduce gun suicides hack89 Feb 2014 #45

This thread is about the overall death toll. And I can see why you want to change the subject. DanTex Feb 2014 #47

Their suicide rate is nearly identical to ours so perhaps not hack89 Feb 2014 #57

I doubt that you're actually interested in the scientific research. DanTex Feb 2014 #60

So what specific laws do you want? hack89 Feb 2014 #63

I guess you missed my other posts. DanTex Feb 2014 #66

We can deal with it. I just have a different solution. hack89 Feb 2014 #69

Gun deaths are a gun issue. Shall we address the actual problem rather than change the subject? DanTex Feb 2014 #70

Suicide is a mental health issue hack89 Feb 2014 #72

Gun deaths are a multi-faceted problem. DanTex Feb 2014 #76

Ok hack89 Feb 2014 #77

Suicides are 2/3 the death toll. This corrupts the intent of the OP: Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #129

No it doesn't. DanTex Feb 2014 #130

I get it that liberals are at their worst when denying rights. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #141

Haha, yes, science is a joke. I get it! So funny! DanTex Feb 2014 #143

Actually, the song is a joke. Perhaps it resonates with those Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #144

Nothing quite as conservative as being proud of one's own ignorance.... DanTex Feb 2014 #145

You speak very intimately of the phenomenon. nt Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #155

Yup. I used to post a lot in the gungeon, so I know more about pro-gun ignorance it than I'd like. DanTex Feb 2014 #157

UK's gun laws would also work.... DanTex Feb 2014 #50

Their sucide rate is identical to ours. Nt hack89 Feb 2014 #59

Yes, and ours would be significantly lower than theirs if we adopted their gun laws. DanTex Feb 2014 #61

Time for serious mental health reform in America hack89 Feb 2014 #67

Time for serious gun control. Not as much fun as changing the subject, I know. DanTex Feb 2014 #68

Simplistic outlooks creates simplistic solutions hack89 Feb 2014 #71

Simplistic, as in "guns don't kill people" and "suicides don't count". DanTex Feb 2014 #73

Ok. Nice talking to you. Nt hack89 Feb 2014 #74

Always a good time! DanTex Feb 2014 #78

As in this article from billh58 Feb 2014 #107

Or Australia's... DanTex Feb 2014 #51

Or, say Germany's... (see what I'm getting at) DanTex Feb 2014 #52

Actually many of the people who alert gun posts Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #49

In my experience sarisataka Feb 2014 #28

It's hard to deny that pro-gunners are the most vocal about wanting to keep DanTex Feb 2014 #36

^^^^RECOMMEND^^^^ Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #38

As I said it is my experience sarisataka Feb 2014 #55

I don't know about that specific OP of yours. DanTex Feb 2014 #89

I understand and agree sarisataka Feb 2014 #111

I understand and that Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #102

My conversation with a pro-gun control host sarisataka Feb 2014 #113

some of us just would like Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #58

IMO the hard-core pro-gunners should be pretty happy that DU hosts a sub-forum for them DanTex Feb 2014 #81

like the keep Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #90

Obama believes in the Assault Weapons Ban and universal background checks. DanTex Feb 2014 #98

and you will find Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #104

Uh oh, gun porn. LAGC Feb 2014 #105

I know Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #108

"Most gun owners" and "most gungeon posters" are very different groups. DanTex Feb 2014 #114

Just like Bansalot posters think they represent the public mood regarding gun control? hack89 Feb 2014 #120

Wrong. Gungeoneers are fringe right-wingers, for the most part. DanTex Feb 2014 #121

You think the majority of DU thinks the RKBA is an individual right? hack89 Feb 2014 #123

Actually, you are well to the right of Obama and the Dem platform on guns, DanTex Feb 2014 #131

95% of Americans support UBCs hack89 Feb 2014 #135

It is you who is ignorant of the constitution. DanTex Feb 2014 #138

I favor UBCs - my state has had them for years hack89 Feb 2014 #140

You are opposed to them at the federal level. DanTex Feb 2014 #142

If it was legal, I would support them at the Federal level hack89 Feb 2014 #147

In other words, you oppose them at the federal level. DanTex Feb 2014 #148

No - I have no problem with Congress passing such a law hack89 Feb 2014 #149

LOL. Gotta love the gratuitous personal attack. DanTex Feb 2014 #150

So calling me a republican is not insulting? hack89 Feb 2014 #151

Is there anything you disagree with the GOP about on gun policy? DanTex Feb 2014 #152

I support all proposed gun control laws with two exceptions hack89 Feb 2014 #154

Oddly non-vocal in your support. DanTex Feb 2014 #156

When you start challenging Hoyt and all the other grabbers like him hack89 Feb 2014 #158

The difference: I'm not trying to pretend to be pro-gun. DanTex Feb 2014 #159

Oh well. hack89 Feb 2014 #160

OK. Have a good evening. DanTex Feb 2014 #161

you have a lot Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #162

Not me. Let's drop the SOP. We're here Right Now. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #128

It's just bullshit talking. Not a single alert has been submitted. NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #166

Fascinating. Suicides and accidents should be counted Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #16

! KG Feb 2014 #19

What a sick, twisted country this is. Arugula Latte Feb 2014 #27

Is that the Deep State plan? moondust Feb 2014 #40

NRA President quote ... napkinz Feb 2014 #56

Good find Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #80

So it is obvious we need more guns "the only thing that stops a bad guy with doc03 Feb 2014 #65

And to think there are countries I won't visit due to the level of terrorism. Hekate Feb 2014 #84

Yeah, but law-abiding gun owners/toters -- like Zimmerman -- shouldn't be penalized for criminal Hoyt Feb 2014 #95

He's missing a war or two wercal Feb 2014 #96

well facts do not Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #109

That is an interesting comparison. deathrind Feb 2014 #99

Not really surprising since military make up such a small percentage of the populace at large... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #100

Ho. Lee. Fuck. Loaded Liberal Dem Feb 2014 #110

even with this evidence there's still those that want to deny us ileus Feb 2014 #118

Really. Though the economy stinks, the RW holds sway, Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #146

If you want a mind boggling statistic, indie9197 Feb 2014 #136

But you fail to realize--over 4 million lives were saved because guns Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #139

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