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31. I don't understand your point - are you saying Obama lied about health care? Romney signed it right?

Sun Feb 23, 2014, 07:11 PM

Feb 2014

By the same logic, I can say Obama killed single payer so he is also against health care reform.

But the fact remains, he gave credit to the Republicans and specifically called out Romney for credit.

So, he either lied about it or he didn't.

I get why you might want to distance yourself from Republicans, but why deny the fact that ACA is vastly more similar to the MA plan than it is different.

As for dental - have you been following the nightmare people are having getting dental coverage under ACA?

Why was that left out?

That is more than a disappointment - it should cause Democrats to demand that the massive loop hole be fixed.

I understand as a conservative you might think that lack of dental care is OK, but it really is important for kids especially.

Interesting, didn't think I would find such a conversation on a Democratic website.

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What the hell is Barack Obama's presidency for? [View all] mr blur Feb 2014 OP

Lately, its seems like the Presidency is a springboard temporary311 Feb 2014 #1

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gold or lead: you can choose buckets of gold or a surprise delivery of lead yurbud Mar 2014 #108

Oooh, so very true. Never saw it expressed that way. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #109

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Even if you're a crazy motherfucker there's no way to void that check XemaSab Feb 2014 #86

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Never underestimate your opponents. ... spin Feb 2014 #39

The Democratic Party Is Still Dead Demeter Feb 2014 #57

I fear you may well be right. It seems that no matter who I vote for ... spin Feb 2014 #74

....^ 840high Feb 2014 #89

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The GOP is destroying itself Demeter Feb 2014 #54

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And appointed many of them to positions of power which the people threw them out of. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #94

Amen GOTV Feb 2014 #104

What are you talking about? They were dead in 2006 and 2008. Now they're in charge again Doctor_J Feb 2014 #75

Demise? I keep reading Dems will be lucky to hold on to the Senate ... GOTV Feb 2014 #105

You are confusing a dying patient with a dead one. LonePirate Feb 2014 #107

if by that you mean that it has moved the party Tea Bagger-right... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #114

Why don't you ask all the people getting health insurance for geek tragedy Feb 2014 #3

Look GT... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #7

My corporate plan went up $1200 this year pragmatic_dem Feb 2014 #9

Welcome to DU...nt SidDithers Feb 2014 #13

Don't you think if Obama thought he could get universal healthcare or Medicare for all passed kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #27

I understand why you think I don't deserve relief pragmatic_dem Feb 2014 #44

Whoa. Nobody said you "don't deserve relief." Try again. nt Hekate Feb 2014 #46

sure, you blamed "my"' corporate plan pragmatic_dem Feb 2014 #49

Yes, they blamed your insurance company, never said you don't deserve relief. uppityperson Feb 2014 #66

I still don't agree. I blame politicians taking massive cash from insurance companies pragmatic_dem Feb 2014 #82

My health insurance premiums raised every yr, as did deductibles and copays, until the ACA kicked in uppityperson Feb 2014 #83

both parties are taking too much corporate cash, it is corrupting public policy pragmatic_dem Feb 2014 #88

frp uppityperson Feb 2014 #90

You're not allowed to state such truth here Doctor_J Feb 2014 #96

that's why we need pragmatic voices, not conservative ideas from 1980 squating in space pragmatic_dem Feb 2014 #97

Hear, hear...and welcome. zeemike Feb 2014 #64

Obama might have been able to get universal healthcare or Medicare for all ... spin Feb 2014 #48

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Do I smell a scent o pine?...nt SidDithers Feb 2014 #69

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That's a good point.... spin Mar 2014 #119

No. Lasher Feb 2014 #52

Sounds more like your employer gouged you. Blame them. Hoyt Feb 2014 #29

nope, the original plan they had was going to be worse, they switched this year, best they could do pragmatic_dem Feb 2014 #41

I dont feel thrown under bus. I have options I didn't have before. And it's good Hoyt Feb 2014 #58

Our deductible went from $500 to $8350 Doctor_J Feb 2014 #36

Mine went down $500/month and deductible dropped $8000/yr. Yay for ACA uppityperson Feb 2014 #65

Did you seek an alternative to your corporate plan on the healthcare.gov website? n/t Tanuki Feb 2014 #71

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I don't own the company where I work which is rather huge with many thousands of employees - however pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #117

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I credit them all. Here is another reply addressing this uppityperson Feb 2014 #81

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I don't understand your point - are you saying Obama lied about health care? Romney signed it right? pragmatic_dem Feb 2014 #31

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