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Wind Dancer

(3,618 posts)
70. Cars are tangible objects.
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 11:35 AM
Mar 2012

God is abstract and differs according to one's faith. People will use their religion as an excuse to commit atrocities.


The Mormons’ historical racism is another issue Romney doesn’t talk about. The church recently weighed in on this issue, after Brigham Young University professor Randy Bott’s racist remarks sparked a firestorm. Bott said that the church’s ban on African-Americans serving in the priesthood (in place until 1978) was actually a “blessing” because blacks were not ready for the priesthood. The church quickly repudiated Bott’s remarks, saying, in a statement, that his views “absolutely do not represent the teachings and doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” and “We condemn racism, including any and all past racism by individuals both inside and outside the Church.” Given that Romney served as a missionary before the ban was officially lifted (in the late 1960s) and attended BYU in the late 1960s and early 1970s, it’s not beyond the pale to probe his thoughts on this issue, particularly because Mormons across the country are talking about it.

It’s not a gotcha question. Romney could go a long way toward humanizing the Romney-bot if he could explain whether he ever contested the LDS ban, in place until 1978, on African-Americans serving in the priesthood, and whether, if true, the ban caused him qualms.

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In my perfect world, presidential candidates wouldn’t talk about their religion. They would practice it freely, but they would neither use it to prop up their candidacy nor use their opponents’ (real or fabricated) religion to bring them down. Lawmakers wouldn’t use religion to justify policy positions. And while I have no doubt that plenty of liberals are suspicious of Mormonism — either because of Proposition 8, the racism, the patriarchy, the extra-biblical revelations in upstate New York, the secrecy of the hierarchy, posthumous baptisms or from reading “Under the Banner of Heaven” or watching “Big Love” — it’s Romney’s own party that has imposed religious litmus tests on candidates.

http://www.salon.com/2012/03/08/what_we_should_ask_romney_about_mormonism/

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As "The Economist" put it.... Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #1
I agree. Romney is an asshole because he's a rich, privileged, The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2012 #2
I disagree... RevStPatrick Mar 2012 #9
These are not mutually exclusive propositions. nt EFerrari Mar 2012 #14
FDR was rich and privileged. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #36
True. But he wasn't an out-of-touch fuckwit. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2012 #39
Nor was he a dick. fluchen Mar 2012 #40
Oh, I know. But the poster said he hated Romney 'cause he's rich&privileged. Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #50
Wrong; he hates him because he is a "fuckwit." eShirl Mar 2012 #52
To beat a dead horse, if he said he hates him 'cause "he's a gay out of touch fuckwit"... Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #55
He's WHO he is Bohunk68 Mar 2012 #75
Rmoney is WHO Bohunk68 Mar 2012 #76
I agree completely etherealtruth Mar 2012 #3
One mythical god is the same as another imo. obxhead Mar 2012 #4
Not entirely true. His mormonism contributes... arbusto_baboso Mar 2012 #5
His religion has nothing to do with it. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #16
You really don't "get" mormons, do you? arbusto_baboso Mar 2012 #47
I don't think you know very many Mormons. Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #57
I'm not defending Mormanism. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #58
Apparently you don't either - nearly every thing you said is wrong FreeState Mar 2012 #59
Hahahaha!!!! Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #67
I agree with all of the above however: gopiscrap Mar 2012 #6
It's perfectly acceptable to attack the Church itself... GodlessBiker Mar 2012 #7
Agreed. There should be no room for religious intolerance on DU. Bruce Wayne Mar 2012 #8
The Morman people I have known personally were good, honest, intelligent, generous people. northoftheborder Mar 2012 #10
"At least he is not trying to turn us all into Mormons." - Until we die and they FSogol Mar 2012 #33
The Mormons I grew up with in the Bay Area, Oakland near the temple, were all pretty nice, mulsh Mar 2012 #11
I lived in Utah siligut Mar 2012 #12
People can be people regardless of their inane deep roots of religion Broderick Mar 2012 #15
The indoctrination is insidious siligut Mar 2012 #19
I can't get over the magic underwear. Sorry, but that's weird. Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #37
A Mormon woman told me a story about the underwear siligut Mar 2012 #38
After what the Mormon church did re Prop H8 in California EFerrari Mar 2012 #13
Yep. They picked this fight. I didn't. Iggo Mar 2012 #17
amen. n/t cali Mar 2012 #32
Yep. hunter Mar 2012 #35
How much did they spend re Prop H8? $20 Million dollars, wasn't it? Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #68
It's not a violation of separation to say, this group acted hatefully EFerrari Mar 2012 #74
I am happy that your experiences with the LDS have been AmandaRuth Mar 2012 #18
Thanks, good thread. If only they stayed out of rightwing politics. freshwest Mar 2012 #20
I would hope we don't bash an entire group of people Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #21
Has the Mormon Church ever denounced Saladoran death squads EFerrari Mar 2012 #30
Not that I am aware of Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #34
Never crossed my mind to bash him for his Mormonism. Zalatix Mar 2012 #22
Nice post Yo_Mama Mar 2012 #23
I would never bash a religion that produced Steve Young.nt athenasatanjesus Mar 2012 #24
Or Mo Udall onenote Mar 2012 #69
My brother married into Mormonism sadbear Mar 2012 #25
Of course it is. MrSlayer Mar 2012 #45
I have no problems with our next door neighbors marlakay Mar 2012 #26
Some Mormons are Assholes. Some are kind. Taverner Mar 2012 #27
hmmm Wind Dancer Mar 2012 #56
Yes, but cars can be too... Taverner Mar 2012 #60
Cars are tangible objects. Wind Dancer Mar 2012 #70
the lead singer of the rock group "The Killers" is Mormon IcyPeas Mar 2012 #28
Agree 100% FreeState Mar 2012 #29
Out of curiosity, have you seen this site? Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #31
I use to post there years ago FreeState Mar 2012 #79
It's the leadership--just like the Vatican--that is vile. Arugula Latte Mar 2012 #41
I agree! Quantess Mar 2012 #42
Get your red herring here! Red herring! Cheap! HuckleB Mar 2012 #43
Three words. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #44
are you suggesting.... unkachuck Mar 2012 #46
Have to agree libodem Mar 2012 #48
Prop H8. Brought to you b your good friends, the kindest people of all! Bluenorthwest Mar 2012 #49
Mormons, like every other religious group on this planet, are members of a cult scheming daemons Mar 2012 #51
Some religions are social clubs, too. sadbear Mar 2012 #53
Jimmy Carter, MLK Jr. and the Kennedys: cultists controlled by myth and superstition!! onenote Mar 2012 #64
There is no way that I would bash Mormons. RebelOne Mar 2012 #54
Mormons, like everyone else, should be treated as individuals. hedgehog Mar 2012 #61
No, he is just a little more dated and ignorant believing in any type of sky being... snooper2 Mar 2012 #62
I would love to put you in a room with Martin Luther King Jr., Jimmy Carter, onenote Mar 2012 #63
I would love the opportunity too! snooper2 Mar 2012 #65
Depends on what you consider bashing NNN0LHI Mar 2012 #66
You obviously do not live in an area with many Mormons. Safetykitten Mar 2012 #71
To be fair, they did it in cahoots with their buddy, the Archbishop in San Francisco EFerrari Mar 2012 #72
Everyone has a right to believe what they want, no matter how completely insane it is. Zorra Mar 2012 #73
I've got two words for you...MAGIC UNDERWEAR. cynatnite Mar 2012 #77
When I'm recklessly careening down the street in my Masarati... Bruce Wayne Mar 2012 #78
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