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In reply to the discussion: Mass objectification is a result of commodification which is....... [View all]joshcryer
(62,270 posts)47. It's all true, of course, but applied wrong. Think of "sonder."
Sonder n. the realization that each random passerby is living a life as vivid and complex as your ownpopulated with their own ambitions, friends, routines, worries and inherited crazinessan epic story that continues invisibly around you like an anthill sprawling deep underground, with elaborate passageways to thousands of other lives that youll never know existed, in which you might appear only once, as an extra sipping coffee in the background, as a blur of traffic passing on the highway, as a lighted window at dusk.
How can we possibly think that an interconnected world such as ours with all of its glorious industrial magic, stuff so beyond each one of us but applied through the efforts of many, is anything but a truly connected and truly integrated society?
The whole alienation thing only applies to someone from a pre-industrial society watching as industry comes up around them and trying to make sense of it all. The reality is that we as a species are probably more social, more connected, less alienated than any other species on the planet.
Also, to get back to what you were saying, that (buying what we use, buying what we thinkg) is actually one of the critiques of Marx's theory of alienation and commodity fetishism. What if Marxism itself becomes a commodity fetish to the point of alienating others. Think about that one for a bit (yeah, once a philosophy becomes a caricature of its critique it sort of invalidates itself).
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socialist_n_TN
Feb 2014
OP
I agree with you, but with capitalism, it's more prevalent because there's plenty of $$$$
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#6
Yes. And I do agree it is turned into a horrific problem by capitalism. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#43
Good post, and I agree that objectification is part and parcel of unrestrained capitalism...
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#7
Can you give an example of objectification that is good because it's done for the proper reasons?
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#13
Not sure what you're saying. Is it that objectification is OK if it's done to workers and soldiers?
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#15
Your body is your body, part of "you", who is a human. I think we're talking past each other.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#22
Objectification means dehumanization: to make a human a thing. I don't know how you're using it,
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#24
+1 and "Social progress may be measured precisely by the social position of women." Karl Marx
Zorra
Feb 2014
#10
Capitalism. Interesting. This in regards (further) on the objectification of women (the SI issue)
flvegan
Feb 2014
#42
Marxists did a pretty good job of objectifying 6 million Ukranians to death
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2014
#52
Stalinists (which include Maoists, as Mao took the party organization model from Stalin)......
socialist_n_TN
Feb 2014
#54