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Dorian Gray

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108. I have

Mon Feb 24, 2014, 08:00 AM

Feb 2014

for the most part, stayed away from the supermodel/SI brouhaha. I find it pedantic and annoying. And I don't give a shit whether sexy models are on the cover of a magazine, to be honest. I thought that the outrage over it was over the top and annoying.

HOWEVER, so is the response. Being lectured on what we have to do to stop objectification... unasked for? WTF?

You are just looking for a highly trafficked OP at this point, aren't you? A flamefest, continuing the same arguments for no sake other than continuing the same argument?

I like clothing and will buy what I want to buy. And if it's any indication, Lena Dunham was the cover of the last Vogue. That's primarily sold to women. Who was on the cover of the Sports Illustrated Bikini edition, primarily sold to men????

So perhaps you might want to stop the lecture about objectification. ::Eyeroll::

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Women need to step up to the plate if they want to stop objectifcation [View all] Harmony Blue Feb 2014 OP

Another objectification thread... DontTreadOnMe Feb 2014 #1

it's all objectification . dont tell me women dont do it too leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #14

sexuality and objectification is NOT the same thing,,, VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #26

what is your definition of sexuality leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #112

sexuality isn't dehumanizing...it is quite simple to understand... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #142

i read all that and thankyou for responding but what i wanted was YOUR defintion of leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #147

I don't owe you an explanation of sexuality....if you don't know the difference VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #155

i didnt say you OWED me anything and im not looking to borrow your definition leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #156

I think at this point Dorian Gray Feb 2014 #109

You're injecting abject object-rejections to ejections. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #124

lol clever leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #158

WTF does that even mean? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #143

I know what objectification is Dorian Gray Feb 2014 #167

apparently you don't .....you asked I answered...you just don't like the answer... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #171

I didn't ask Dorian Gray Feb 2014 #172

yes but are they objectifying objectification objectively leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #159

women gotta stop rape too! another "objectification" thread brought to DU by those "militant".... bettyellen Feb 2014 #2

Perhaps you missed the celebration of this company's example hlthe2b Feb 2014 #3

LOL you lost. get over it. Whisp Feb 2014 #4

*** L0oniX Feb 2014 #5

What does this mean - RBStevens Feb 2014 #6

Here's a thread that could use your incite. GeorgeGist Feb 2014 #7

and look what happens when we do even on a "progressive" site TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #8

Actually, I agree with your comments about the fashion industry theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #9

Because the models used to get men's attention are 5-5 and curvy, right? Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #10

"objectification" merely externalizes blame for how the fashion industry sells to women. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #11

Wow--scary. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #13

No kidding. ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2014 #36

That is PasadenaTrudy Feb 2014 #137

Not selling to men, but the fashion industry is run by men. cui bono Feb 2014 #98

That's an amazing JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #121

I hope she's on the road to recovery. Sheesh. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #125

LOL BainsBane Feb 2014 #12

Well I know in our case JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #122

Obvious poster is obvious CreekDog Feb 2014 #15

Trash 3,2,1 ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #16

this is the best answer to the problem. you dont like a sports illustrated op then just trash it leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #161

For starter, women should stop wearing makeup FarCenter Feb 2014 #17

Glad to see you bravely rec'd your own thread. Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #18

But, why should I have to worry about this? Zorra Feb 2014 #19

Pfffft. Unrec. n/t demmiblue Feb 2014 #20

The petty squabbling from all sides of these issues Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #21

hahahaha THAT's RICH! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #27

Hi. Cleita Feb 2014 #106

Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT. In_The_Wind Feb 2014 #126

I work nights.....got a problem with that? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #144

lol Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #22

That physique is what makes CLOTHES LOOK GOOD, Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #23

congratulations on the three recommendations you got for this thread CreekDog Feb 2014 #24

I disagree with some of the wording but there's a good point here. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #25

actually if you read the thread....you would see that YOU are again wrong... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #28

What denial? nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #29

You are going from thread to thread to thread to deny sexism and objectification VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #30

That is simply not true. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #31

You JUST agreed with a OP that blamed WOMEN!!!!! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #32

That's honestly not the impression I got. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #34

apparently according other posters in this thread....yeah you are.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #40

"apparently according other posters in this thread....yeah you are...." AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #64

You know exactly what is going on here... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #68

What games? AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #72

You know EXACTLY what games.....the games that want to stifle women's voices... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #140

"I know realize the situation is MUCH worse....." AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #145

OH yes there is....there are places on DU that allow and even encourage VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #146

You mean the Men's Forum? AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #148

Yeah...go there and have your stomach turned.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #149

There's probably a lot worse being uncovered by ManBoobz, though. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #150

Not talking about some nebulous "other site" I am talking about THIS one... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #154

You seem to have misunderstood my point. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #157

sexual intimidation. what a joke leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #163

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #114

"the harpies at HoF" sufrommich Feb 2014 #115

That's what I said. Soundman Feb 2014 #116

If you're going to refer to women as harpies sufrommich Feb 2014 #117

he won't be calling anyone anything for a while. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #152

Good to know,another one bites sufrommich Feb 2014 #165

see ya, sexist troll Kali Feb 2014 #153

The cadaver x-ray look the fashion industry loves so much Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #33

There is no objectification except in some sick minds. Cleita Feb 2014 #35

I disagree. That's what football exists for. seattledo Feb 2014 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author Cleita Feb 2014 #38

A hero aint nothin' but a sandwich Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #48

A jury should hide that picture Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #118

surely you mean soccer Skittles Feb 2014 #53

No, actually, idealizing skinny, physically weak women is a product of infantilization. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #41

I've run into those physically weak women in the gym. Cleita Feb 2014 #44

It's as if you don't bother to read or comprehend what others say to you at all. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #46

You guys are getting so amusing, but I was told to be Cleita Feb 2014 #47

You literally don't know what objectification means. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #49

Not your version. My version has a mop and drudgery involved but Cleita Feb 2014 #50

Is saying 2+2=4 "my version" of basic arithmetic? Do you realize how foolish you sound? Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #51

LOL! Cleita Feb 2014 #54

Let me ask you a serious question... Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #55

Pretty much. Cleita Feb 2014 #57

Do you make it a habit of laughing at serious subjects? Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #60

No. I worry about fracking on the coast of California. Cleita Feb 2014 #66

This just sounds like you're resentful your OPs on fracking didn't get enough recs and responses... Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #69

Ugh. Cleita Feb 2014 #73

I know you don't understand how serious this issue is considering Cleita Feb 2014 #76

The question you asked is do "we" work in shifts. I can't answer that question... Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #77

Of course you don't. Cleita Feb 2014 #79

Do you seriously believe there's a group conspiring to post in shifts on this website? Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #82

There seems to be shifts. It's very odd. Cleita Feb 2014 #83

It may seem like it but there is no shift work going on. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #85

Probably cuz most people have you on ignore by now. cui bono Feb 2014 #86

Thanks for the bump and I really wish the people who hate Cleita Feb 2014 #87

I don't think they're playing. cui bono Feb 2014 #89

I,wish they would go into the fracking thread and make fun it. Cleita Feb 2014 #91

I have no desire to make fun of fracking. I know it's a real issue. And even if I didn't know it cui bono Feb 2014 #93

Red herrings and straw men. Cleita Feb 2014 #95

How is that? You told me to go ahead and make fun of fracking. cui bono Feb 2014 #97

But you haven't Cleita Feb 2014 #99

So you're avoiding the questions and issueentirely now? cui bono Feb 2014 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #164

How does changing the parameters of beauty solve anything? Shankapotomus Feb 2014 #39

+1000 Cleita Feb 2014 #59

I'm 5'11" and slender.... blueamy66 Feb 2014 #42

Don't pay attention to them. You are of course entitled to get clothes that fit you. Cleita Feb 2014 #52

It has just been in the last 10 years that designers blueamy66 Feb 2014 #103

I have the opposite problem. Cleita Feb 2014 #105

I always thought "at least short girls can have some length removed"... blueamy66 Feb 2014 #107

You could go back to the late 60s and sew some MineralMan Feb 2014 #123

Thanks for the tip, but I'm okay these days. blueamy66 Feb 2014 #127

I was just kidding, really. MineralMan Feb 2014 #129

See, us tall girls loved those 501s. blueamy66 Feb 2014 #131

Yup. And 6'2" was tall for a guy back then, too. MineralMan Feb 2014 #132

I was stick thin as well. Hated it. blueamy66 Feb 2014 #133

Only if you are skilled at clothing construction especially pants. It's very Cleita Feb 2014 #134

True. But that's what tailors are for. blueamy66 Feb 2014 #136

I found that too expensive. I just don't buy anything that doesn't fit right Cleita Feb 2014 #139

You absolutely should be allowed to find clothes to fit your body type. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #56

Yes but she should never see a model wear them because .... Cleita Feb 2014 #58

Where did I say that? Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #61

Your own post on this thread # 41 Cleita Feb 2014 #63

Not only does that post not say what you claim, I've also said that thin women are not the problem. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #65

I don't really care. Cleita Feb 2014 #67

No, I'm not happy at all. How could I be happy in this circumstance? Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #70

Well when you learn communication skills Cleita Feb 2014 #71

Name a part of what I'm saying that doesn't make sense and I'll reexplain it for you. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #74

You so make me laugh. Cleita Feb 2014 #75

I'm being serious. You said I've said things that don't make sense. Point them out... Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #78

Okay. Why do you and your lady friends in those forums I can't post in Cleita Feb 2014 #81

I don't think anyone of the accused hates a woman for using her sexuality to earn a living. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #84

No one hates the women. Can you link to a post that actually says that? cui bono Feb 2014 #92

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #90

I know a lot about women's issues, Cleita Feb 2014 #94

Well you don't know how to not be presumptuous. cui bono Feb 2014 #96

It's always us hating women, KitSileya Feb 2014 #100

I hope she answers my question of why she so adamantly argues that there is no objectification. cui bono Feb 2014 #102

It's the well-known republican attitude of "I've got mine, FU" KitSileya Feb 2014 #104

+1 Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #170

+1 R B Garr Feb 2014 #176

And furthermore, can I help it if I am 5'11" and slender? blueamy66 Feb 2014 #110

Trash Katashi_itto Feb 2014 #43

So trashy. Cleita Feb 2014 #45

Remember always, divide and conquer 7wo7rees Feb 2014 #62

Have you seen what happens even on DU when women "step up to the plate"? Recursion Feb 2014 #80

thank you, Recursion for your voice. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #169

Women can't change the entire fashion industry by not buying all that clothing. cui bono Feb 2014 #88

I have Dorian Gray Feb 2014 #108

Amen. blueamy66 Feb 2014 #111

Good post. Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #113

there already is a use of normal sized models treestar Feb 2014 #119

I would never be able JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #120

hypocrites.... blueamy66 Feb 2014 #128

You said it! JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #130

So the burden is always on the discrimination TARGETS not the perpetrators? alp227 Feb 2014 #135

I don't blame women for this one. MicaelS Feb 2014 #138

A Lot of Women Objectify Men Dirty Socialist Feb 2014 #141

This sound bad, if you insert another group and another problem it shuts that thing right down. bravenak Feb 2014 #151

Awesome!!! Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #160

^^^^^^^^^^^THANK YOU^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #168

Yes! this ^^^^ nt laundry_queen Feb 2014 #173

Terrible op. bravenak Feb 2014 #174

yeah, cuz baseball is our best sport. n/t librechik Feb 2014 #162

What about men who insult me, an adult female, to my face? Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2014 #166

Girls can't do math, is the reason I'm just finding out at 32 years old, that i CAN do math. bravenak Feb 2014 #175

There are lots of really shitty math teachers. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2014 #177