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Nuclear Unicorn

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55. Marxists are funny.
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 10:41 AM
Feb 2014

They point to corporatism and scream, "Look at capitalism hath wrought!" even though corporatism and capitalism are not the same thing. The latter relies on competition within a free market, the former using government power to circumvent competition and a free market.

But if anyone says the centralized government monopoly on production and political power inevitably results in abuse of power the Marxists will be the first to scream that such is not Marxism. But it is. You believe all production and all political power falls to the Party. The Marxist's biggest fear is that I be allowed to take my money and my vote somewhere else. And once you start down that path you can't help but put tighter and tighter controls on my life.

You'll tell me I'm allowed to have freedom of conscience, but then you'll decide which buildings receive a permit to become houses of religious worship. Answer: none. You'll tell me I'm allowed to have freedom of intellect but then you'll tell me I'm not allowed to print any "lies" that defame The People's Glorious Revolution. You'll demand the schools be certified to ensure they aren't teaching "the wrong things." And when the people -- for whom all this is meant to benefit -- decide they're sick of it you'll crack down on the "capitalist saboteurs."

(Question -- If Marxism is so awesome and capitalism leads to privation why are Marxists always complaining that the rich, powerful capitalists are ruining everything for everybody else? can't you guys compete? Oh, wait. No you can't; almost by definition.)

And then when it comes crashing down because of the weight of all the dead bodies heaped upon its head, we'll restart this whole sad, sick ballet once again to refrains of, "Well, that wasn't real Marxism. Real Marxism has never been tried." Which I suppose is a testament to how stupid Marxists really are because all those despots sure thought they were Marxists and got all those people who were reading Marx to follow along (enough to kill 90 million of their fellow serfs).

But by all means, feel free to prove l'il ol' me to be wrong. Tell me by what mechanism you'll guarantee I don't have to play along with your storybook fantasy. Yeah, Wal-Mart sucks but I can always go get a job/shop at Target instead and Target has a profit motive to not be Wal-Mart. Under the centralized control of Marxism I don't even get that much.

I don't think the roots mzteris Feb 2014 #1
I agree with you, but with capitalism, it's more prevalent because there's plenty of $$$$ Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #6
Which is the reason I said "Mass objectification"......... socialist_n_TN Feb 2014 #38
Yes. And I do agree it is turned into a horrific problem by capitalism. nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #43
My point. mzteris Feb 2014 #45
Yes. nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #46
Exactly. Certain people (women, slaves, etc.) were considered PROPERTY. nt redqueen Feb 2014 #21
You don't need to blame capitalism for the mingling of sex and commerce. Rex Feb 2014 #2
However, for it to become a mass commercial industry... Scootaloo Feb 2014 #4
True, good point. Rex Feb 2014 #5
Absolutely BainsBane Feb 2014 #3
Good post, and I agree that objectification is part and parcel of unrestrained capitalism... Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #7
thanks for injecting some sense into the clusterfuck. El_Johns Feb 2014 #8
Objectification is not, in itself, a bad thing. rrneck Feb 2014 #9
Objectification means treating a human as an object. El_Johns Feb 2014 #11
Yes. And we all do it for any number of reasons. rrneck Feb 2014 #12
Can you give an example of objectification that is good because it's done for the proper reasons? El_Johns Feb 2014 #13
I dunno. I never tried. rrneck Feb 2014 #14
Not sure what you're saying. Is it that objectification is OK if it's done to workers and soldiers? El_Johns Feb 2014 #15
No. rrneck Feb 2014 #18
In what way is it (being a thing) part of being human? El_Johns Feb 2014 #19
Well, rrneck Feb 2014 #20
Your body is your body, part of "you", who is a human. I think we're talking past each other. El_Johns Feb 2014 #22
I think it's because rrneck Feb 2014 #23
Objectification means dehumanization: to make a human a thing. I don't know how you're using it, El_Johns Feb 2014 #24
Doesn't look like it. rrneck Feb 2014 #25
I'm Batman The Straight Story Feb 2014 #27
Who is the living being batman objectifies? Does batman stand in for all men? El_Johns Feb 2014 #29
SI did a bit on batman The Straight Story Feb 2014 #30
right. El_Johns Feb 2014 #31
It all boils down to the individual and their abilities The Straight Story Feb 2014 #32
"the individual and their abilities". Ja, richtig. El_Johns Feb 2014 #33
The OP is about commodity fetishism and the theory of alienation. joshcryer Feb 2014 #41
You're way ahead of me. rrneck Feb 2014 #44
It's all true, of course, but applied wrong. Think of "sonder." joshcryer Feb 2014 #47
+1 and "Social progress may be measured precisely by the social position of women." Karl Marx Zorra Feb 2014 #10
You ALWAYS get a star Comrada Fox......... socialist_n_TN Feb 2014 #35
Would you say it's a Mass Effect? Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #16
Capitalism and patriarchy TBF Feb 2014 #17
+1. Workers' Power had a women's pamphlet...... socialist_n_TN Feb 2014 #36
I have Engel's book - TBF Feb 2014 #48
Agreed. And Engels is actually a LITTLE easier than even Lenin......... socialist_n_TN Feb 2014 #53
Consumerism is not capitalist. joshcryer Feb 2014 #26
Agreed, though I want to emphasize that DU is also a business. Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #28
When you run a business there's a cost benefit anaylsis. joshcryer Feb 2014 #39
Big words doesn't make you educated or sensible! whistler162 Feb 2014 #34
And neither do small words...... socialist_n_TN Feb 2014 #37
Exactly! Thank you! Well said! scarletwoman Feb 2014 #40
Capitalism. Interesting. This in regards (further) on the objectification of women (the SI issue) flvegan Feb 2014 #42
If you pay someone you TBF Feb 2014 #49
Not correct. stevenleser Feb 2014 #50
A reasonable analysis from a Marxist position.... Adrahil Feb 2014 #51
Marxists did a pretty good job of objectifying 6 million Ukranians to death Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #52
Stalinists (which include Maoists, as Mao took the party organization model from Stalin)...... socialist_n_TN Feb 2014 #54
Marxists are funny. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #55
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