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LanternWaste

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108. Zimmerman has not been tried nor convicted outside of the metaphorical

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 12:17 PM

Mar 2012

Zimmerman has not been tried nor convicted outside of the metaphorical. And as the metaphorical holds little to no legal weight, any perceived "convictions" also hold no legal weight or consequence.

Fair trials are conducted in courts of law. Discussions take place on Discussion Boards... these are two wholly and separate things.

That being said, I imagine that there are indeed, non-legal consequences to shooting an unarmed youth; which may allow us an additional reason not to shoot innocent pedestrians-- I do not see that additional layer of protection by social mores as a bad thing, however I do realize many people may perceive public outrage at the shooting of an innocent youth to be... bad?

Post Script-- the vast majority of people on this board do indeed wish Zimmerman gets a jury trial in front of twelve of his peers; but conflating a trial with public opinion does little service to any validity you may be attempting to illustrate.

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In defense of George Zimmerman. [View all] UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2012 OP

Are you perhaps confusing support for the right to a fair trial with 'conservatism'? sikorsky Mar 2012 #1

"without so much as a formal charge" Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #9

Fine, you're willing to convict without a trial. I get it now. sikorsky Mar 2012 #11

The point is we want a trial Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #12

The accused in the case you just posted was arrested and will face trial Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #19

No, I am not mad but the tenor of the discussion clearly indicates a prejudice toward guilt sikorsky Mar 2012 #22

We want a trial. That's all we want Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #26

You're missing the whole point. If Zimmerman was on trial, this would be a non-story. Scuba Mar 2012 #98

It has national media coverage. It will go to trial. Mojorabbit Mar 2012 #89

We just want a trial Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #91

NO! He enumerated eight reasons why this whole mess stinks... TheMadMonk Mar 2012 #30

if this goes to trial and he's found guility with the existing SYG laws in place belcffub Mar 2012 #100

That's not what they wrote, Dude. Th1onein Mar 2012 #53

The Cops screwed up big time in this case. Massive negligence in collecting vital crunch60 Mar 2012 #96

Actually, I think all we want IS a trial Downtown Hound Mar 2012 #109

No, we want a trial, period. EOTE Mar 2012 #114

As the poster said, there is no charge yet. Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #37

Just one correction, the body was not in the morgue for three days. The shooting was on the 26th sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #48

Thank you for the correction Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #81

You rather miss the point that we want him to go to trial. So far he hasn't been charged and that is uppityperson Mar 2012 #20

How can there be a fair trail WHEN CHAIN OF EVIDENCE HAS BEEN COMPROMISED BEYOND belief? Justice wanted Mar 2012 #28

oh look another concerned n00b frylock Mar 2012 #35

Like flies to shit.... morningfog Mar 2012 #46

He can't get a fair trial until he is F***ING ARRESTED scheming daemons Mar 2012 #95

Zimmerman has not been tried nor convicted outside of the metaphorical LanternWaste Mar 2012 #108

sikorsky is no longer with us Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #116

He is innocent until proven guilty in this country. But first, he has to be charged. appleannie1 Mar 2012 #2

No, he's a murderer. Whether he's charged or convicted is irrelevant to that fact. Son of Gob Mar 2012 #6

Absolutely right. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2012 #8

False, actually. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2012 #16

Might be a fact. But until proven in a court of law, it's an unsubstantiated one. /nt TheMadMonk Mar 2012 #32

Steve Holt! DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #56

You're welcome Son of Gob Mar 2012 #59

Well someone has not been paying attention. pennylane100 Mar 2012 #15

First, it has to be investigated to see if there's enough evidence... Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #42

I notice some of those supporting zimmerman are very new to DU.... peacebird Mar 2012 #3

Yup..happens all the time...nt joeybee12 Mar 2012 #4

I am probably one of those "supporters" and I resent that, I don't "support" HIM, I support his sikorsky Mar 2012 #14

Do you want him charge, brought to trial? Simple questions. Please answer. uppityperson Mar 2012 #21

I want a trial if that's the appropriate avenue. I don't know what 'evidence' exists and I don't sikorsky Mar 2012 #33

I have enough deleted posts so you'll just have to UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2012 #50

So can I (imagine), and i have a vivid imagination Dragonfli Mar 2012 #72

"Don't know what evidence exists" my ass. groundloop Mar 2012 #83

Inadmissibility due to broken chain of custody is not in question... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #94

Why don't you Read Post #9. regarding evidence that was "overlooked" crunch60 Mar 2012 #97

I want to see him charged and brought to trial. You seem to think those of us frustrated by the pace peacebird Mar 2012 #25

And some have been lurking in the gungeon for a very long time. baldguy Mar 2012 #17

name NAMES....please!!! Mr. Magoo. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #93

yep. prolly have nra.org email addresses as well frylock Mar 2012 #36

The problem with these posters' positions, even though they may mean well, MoonRiver Mar 2012 #5

I don't think folks are saying he's guilty... KansDem Mar 2012 #7

Speak for yourself. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #23

Congratulations! Straw Man Mar 2012 #113

"You just threw our legal system out the window" 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #115

i'm saying he's guilty.. frylock Mar 2012 #39

No, what progressives want is a thorough investigation of this whole incident. mysuzuki2 Mar 2012 #10

Thank ya! Taverner Mar 2012 #13

Please do not question the motives of people who feel differently than you. TheWraith Mar 2012 #18

If there was something to wait for, people might be more inclined... TheMadMonk Mar 2012 #87

People who would do something like that should be you and you alone Dragonfli Mar 2012 #88

You can be a Heritage Foundation Disciple in love with guns and tax cuts and be Dragonfli Mar 2012 #24

So anyone who disagrees with the things you support... randome Mar 2012 #27

People are "guilty" of being conservatives because they support Conservative assumptions, thoughts Dragonfli Mar 2012 #31

You are so clueless, it's difficult to know how to address you. randome Mar 2012 #40

You do not think that conservative ideas and assumptions are conservative? Dragonfli Mar 2012 #44

Yeah, that doesn't sound personal at all. randome Mar 2012 #65

You took it personally, I was talking about conservatives, It appears part of you identifies as such Dragonfli Mar 2012 #69

What does your father's sexuality have to do with anything? Bluenorthwest Mar 2012 #78

An 'indication', nothing more, that I would have more in common... randome Mar 2012 #85

What Dragonfli said. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2012 #52

Your hate of OWS brought you in. Hilarious! morningfog Mar 2012 #47

Another Black-and-Whiter heard from. randome Mar 2012 #66

Far from it. You should reread the OP. morningfog Mar 2012 #99

Guys! Look! Over here! randome Mar 2012 #101

When you post are you anti-union? Anit-OWS? Pro-Zimmerman? morningfog Mar 2012 #102

This is petty bickering between us. randome Mar 2012 #103

Respectfully, you dodged. This thread is about conservative postings on DU. morningfog Mar 2012 #104

No, you don't. But head on over to Freeperville and you'll have plenty. lib_wit_it Mar 2012 #110

"Innocent until proven guilty" is for frogmarch Mar 2012 #29

I sincerely hope you are never on a jury. sikorsky Mar 2012 #34

If I ever am, then frogmarch Mar 2012 #38

Stand Your Ground is the law Really people... Mar 2012 #41

Zimmerman is outside of that law...says the writer of the bill KeepItReal Mar 2012 #45

You should be ashamed. morningfog Mar 2012 #49

and here's another one.. frylock Mar 2012 #51

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #57

You've lost your way In life... DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #58

I lost it long ago! Really people... Mar 2012 #61

Let's hope your stay is a short one. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2012 #62

Lol Really people... Mar 2012 #64

Yes, they are often called sociopaths, look up the word. /nt Dragonfli Mar 2012 #67

I can see that. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2012 #70

No, You haven't lost everything till you lose your soul... DianaForRussFeingold Mar 2012 #74

I generally support the SYG laws, and feelings have nothing to do with SYG. aikoaiko Mar 2012 #68

If he felt a black teenager walking quietly through the neighborhood was a threat to his life, he uppityperson Mar 2012 #73

In the years I've been reading and posting here... EmeraldCityGrl Mar 2012 #86

PPR'd. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #90

Since when is stalking and killing an innocent unarmed kid the law? lonestarnot Mar 2012 #92

in answer to your question: KG Mar 2012 #43

We appear to both not realize how conservatism is but one shade of progressiveness Dragonfli Mar 2012 #55

This progressive board tolerates extreme right wing positions on gun infatuation. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #54

Bullseye. Paladin Mar 2012 #107

what if they are only one of those? Kali Mar 2012 #60

Yes. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2012 #63

the maths don't work! Kali Mar 2012 #71

Seeing that the Democratic party has moved so far to the right, Quantess Mar 2012 #75

You put that very well, better by far than my attempts, simple and indisputable. Dragonfli Mar 2012 #77

Thanks! Quantess Mar 2012 #80

Perhaps the President should just put his name on the "kill by drone strike" list MNBrewer Mar 2012 #76

Makes as much sense as Zimmerman's "kill by gun strike", he also solved his goals sans Due Process Dragonfli Mar 2012 #79

Yeah, I'd be afraid of Holder if I were him. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2012 #82

Well, there ya go! He has the right to defend himself against Holder, by shooting if he wants Dragonfli Mar 2012 #84

There needs to be an independent investigation and a trial. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #105

I own a gun (several, in fact), and would use it in self defense. Bake Mar 2012 #106

That's how I feel but he has to be arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #112

I see a difference between knowing in my arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #111