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VanillaRhapsody

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175. but if you read my previous post....how she voted belies your stance...

Reply to ForgoTheConsequence (Reply #174)

Mon Feb 24, 2014, 03:48 PM

Feb 2014

Voted NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes.

Increase America’s commitment against Global AIDS: Favors topic 3
DOMA discrimination holds us back from a more perfect union: Strongly Favors topic 3
I support gay marriage personally and as law: Strongly Favors topic 3
Let states decide gay marriage; they’re ahead of feds: Favors topic 3
2004:defended traditional marriage; 2006:voted for same-sex: Strongly Favors topic 3
Federal Marriage Amendment would be terrible step backwards: Favors topic 3
Gays deserve domestic partnership benefits: Strongly Favors topic 3
Military service based on conduct, not sexual orientation: Favors topic 3
More funding and stricter sentencing for hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance: Strongly Favors topic 3
Provide benefits to domestic partners of Federal employees: Strongly Favors topic 3
YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage: Strongly Favors topic 3

Strongly Favors topic 3:
Comfortable with same-sex marriage
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Since 1789, every U.S. President has belonged to the same privileged fraternity. [View all] pnwmom Feb 2014 OP

That's great. CFLDem Feb 2014 #1

The gender of the presidency has . .. all to do with that individual's own insecurities??? pnwmom Feb 2014 #2

The world is not their psychologist laundry_queen Feb 2014 #84

I am thinking the world is not THEIR linguist. Or translator. Or something. Squinch Feb 2014 #202

This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Feb 2014 #93

I was with you until you appointed yourself as "Psychologist" 2banon Feb 2014 #130

Did I stutter? CFLDem Feb 2014 #132

Think so. bravenak Feb 2014 #176

It's rhetorical bravnak CFLDem Feb 2014 #196

I knew that and chose to mess with you. Cause I'm funny. bravenak Feb 2014 #197

I thought this was going to be about them all being in 'skull and bones' or something..... Captain Stern Feb 2014 #3

Thanks for identifying yourself so clearly. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #4

Likewise. nt Captain Stern Feb 2014 #5

I'm taking a match to that strawman 1000words Feb 2014 #6

You don't get it do you..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #27

Until we have a female President AND Vice President at the same time Matariki Feb 2014 #33

hmm, what about my point in #131 2banon Feb 2014 #133

So the cause of sexism in this country is due to the fact that there hasn't been a female president? Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #41

I don't usually jump into these things, but... Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #83

It's absolutely not the result of sexism. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #99

I'm not speaking of Hillary. Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #111

oh yes it ABSOLUTELY IS VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #137

Why didn't you vote for Michele Bachmann then? Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #138

because she runs AGAINST womens issues! DUH....have you not heard of institutionalized VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #140

I'm tired of your antics. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #141

and I am tired of your denial of sexism! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #142

if you support feminist issues....why didn't you? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #143

Because they ran as Republicans. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #153

If Sarah Palin were to switch parties and run for the Democratic nomination, Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #178

No, because she's an idiot who can't string a simple declarative sentence together. pnwmom Feb 2014 #189

So you have standards other than gender, as do we all. Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #208

Of course. But I refuse to believe that there has never in US history been a fully qualified pnwmom Feb 2014 #209

Correct me if I'm wrong... AZCat Feb 2014 #210

And black men got the vote well before any women. So I guess it's not that surprising. pnwmom Feb 2014 #211

Seriously? That's just... strange. AZCat Feb 2014 #212

That was a single candidate. No other woman has ever been considered a serious candidate pnwmom Feb 2014 #152

But to be honest ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #185

I suspect I know where to find them on DU VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #188

Just toss a rock. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #198

I know right? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #199

Links? Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #201

What about the other 230 years? Squinch Feb 2014 #203

No, you have it backwards. Sexism in this country, reinforced by things like pnwmom Feb 2014 #150

That's a bit of a stretch. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #155

Is that what I said....or a narrative you want to build... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #187

Speak for yourself ... this woman doesn't feel that way at all. SMC22307 Feb 2014 #88

Until women have a President.... ??? Your bias is showing. RC Feb 2014 #127

who has said anyone is "un-human"......... Way to go hyperbolic much? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #151

Who said anything about "un-human"? Make up stuff much? RC Feb 2014 #154

sure by pointing out sexism and racism is calling the perpetrator "unhuman" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #161

You don't get it rustydog Feb 2014 #186

I am not talking about that ending it.....I am talking about the end of feeling VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #207

Abraham Lincoln born to privilege. undeterred Feb 2014 #7

Where is the photo of any woman President's birthplace? Then we'll compare. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #15

Actually, cyberswede Feb 2014 #160

So 7 out of 39 grew up lower middle class or below -- and 0 grew up female. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #195

So when Hillary is elected, than you will feel more comfortable about the SI swimsuit issue? davidn3600 Feb 2014 #8

It isn't the SI issue that bothered me. pnwmom Feb 2014 #10

they are so afraid we want to take away their "precious"...... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #28

I'm a woman and don't feel reminded of that at all. SMC22307 Feb 2014 #9

We agree then that the T & A posts belonged in the lounge, not in G.D. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #11

Oh, absolutely. I mean, Ukraine seems to be breaking apart... SMC22307 Feb 2014 #12

Not our PLACE....our PLACE on GD in DU! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #29

Why are you shouting? SMC22307 Feb 2014 #87

As far as political office goes, the US does not promote female leadership well at all. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #13

Yes, that is pathetic. nt pnwmom Feb 2014 #14

If women were in the streets like people are in Kiev, I'd think it appropriate. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #16

well we are really not marketting the message well if we have so many liberal men on DU VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #30

Maybe some people are turned away from your confrontational ways. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #43

Part of the thing is, it's such a simple concept... Scootaloo Feb 2014 #85

I refuse to listen to people who don't treat me with respect. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #98

You haven't shown you deserve any....I don't respect those that disrespect women.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #206

and maybe you are just wrong.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #101

Way to prove my point. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #103

baseless MY aunt Fanny! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #104

Did you check the papers of all men on this board? SMC22307 Feb 2014 #90

I doubt simply adding more women in government would change how women are viewed by society davidn3600 Feb 2014 #19

The large uptick in rape is the result of a redefinition of what constitutes rape in Sweden. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #20

You're twisting things... davidn3600 Feb 2014 #23

I'm going to sit back and let you point out where I suggested we'd turn into a utopia. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #24

I don't think you will have to wait much longer... XRubicon Feb 2014 #17

And all but one are descended from British royalty. Downwinder Feb 2014 #18

Royals all when you go back far enough. Coyotl Feb 2014 #91

As another old-timer here, let me give you a quiet KnR Hekate Feb 2014 #21

"privileged fraternity" hfojvt Feb 2014 #22

THIS Margaret Thatcher... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #31

I'm confused rrneck Feb 2014 #42

NO that is the exact OPPOSITE of what I was saying..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #44

Ah. It's just that the charts you show for Thacher and Clinton are identical. nt rrneck Feb 2014 #45

I only showed one Hillary...THAT was Hillary.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #48

that was somebody making a chart hfojvt Feb 2014 #95

Uh you should really check the link before you make erroneous statements... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #100

there was no link in post #31 hfojvt Feb 2014 #109

A talking point that will evaporate come 1/2017 tritsofme Feb 2014 #25

There has been a backlash of racism against President Obama since he was elected. pnwmom Feb 2014 #26

we already are seeing it simply because she MIGHT run... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #32

Or because she supported Bush's war in Iraq. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #36

Oh yeah... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #37

Cute graph. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #38

I don't trust yours.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #39

Good for you. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #40

I end it with this.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #46

She lied about Saddam being linked to Al Qaeda. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #50

No one knew WTF was going on then and you know it.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #51

Plenty of us did. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #54

NO "plenty" didnt...that is a damn lie...ALSO many were proven to have NOT been given VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #57

Keep making excuses. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #61

One person by themselves could not have stopped that train.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #66

She was an important vote. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #68

she also did NOT have the same evidence that Bush had... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #70

So she still trusted him........ ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #71

No she didn't....that is a ridiculous statement.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #72

What part of "she still fell for it" do you not understand? ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #75

So...She is qualified because she couldn't see the lies many of us could The Straight Story Feb 2014 #105

that is bullshit because most Americans wanted to go to war then... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #106

Um.... The Straight Story Feb 2014 #110

Yeah-- isn't it sickening? Marr Feb 2014 #78

I remember when saying "they had the same Intel" was a line just for rightwing loons... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #80

Oh my god-- you have got to be fucking kidding me. Marr Feb 2014 #77

so even though it comes from Media Matters? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #79

Oh, bullshit. SMC22307 Feb 2014 #94

and most Americans didn't..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #107

Yet many of us Americans were in the streets... SMC22307 Feb 2014 #113

Millions including Obama. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #164

No one knew? Iggo Feb 2014 #122

when did I say "no one"? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #123

Right here: Iggo Feb 2014 #124

Oh you take that as LITERALLY no one...even there was even one I was supposed to say so... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #125

Nice back-pedal. Iggo Feb 2014 #128

the truth is not backpedal... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #129

How dare you twist her words! ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #165

You said NO ONE! ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #162

your "interruption" is duly noted VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #166

You're lying. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #167

that is not the same thing and YOU know it... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #170

No one is not the same thing as no one. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #171

Didn't see this one before I posted my gripe with this bs.. 2banon Feb 2014 #136

Right because why would we want to back a Populist Liberal? God Forbid! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #169

Criminalize flag burning and supported DOMA. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #172

and that is all you got from ALL of that? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #173

Bush probably tricked her into supporting DOMA. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #174

but if you read my previous post....how she voted belies your stance... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #175

"Let states decide gay marriage" ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #177

Just one issue...when there are about a thousand of them there.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #179

89 percent is a B, which is ok. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #180

So you turn your nose up at a B? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #182

True. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #191

Unlucky for you....NO one has EVER had this much support this far out...ever recorded VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #200

People said she was a sure thing in 2008 too. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #205

So you turn your nose up at a B+? Sorry....near as you can get TO an A! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #182

Hillary a Populist Liberal? LOL. Even she'd have issues with that meme! 2banon Feb 2014 #181

Uh no she wouldn't and I provided proof....where is yours? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #184

.... 2banon Feb 2014 #190

As a Woman, I am in complete agreement with you FTC... 2banon Feb 2014 #135

Thanks! ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #163

I dont see a backlash because of her gender davidn3600 Feb 2014 #49

You don't among the Rethugs? pnwmom Feb 2014 #56

Im only speaking for those at DU davidn3600 Feb 2014 #69

Good point...Thanks. n/t whathehell Feb 2014 #34

So I should have voted for Bachman? ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #35

Not only a stupid idea but not even close to what the OP was saying... Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #52

So it's just her woman that we should vote for? ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #55

My woman? This has nothing specifically to do with HRC, though she is the woman pnwmom Feb 2014 #58

Do they let you make your own meals? Because that could be dangerous. Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #62

Are you making fun of people with mental illnesses? ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #64

Do you not like it when you are responded to in kind? Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #81

Classy people don't make fun of people with mental illnesses. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #168

Classy people don't pretend they don't know whats going on Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #204

Hillary lied about Saddam being connected to Al Qaeda. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #47

Talk about beside the point. Check your reading comprehension. It could use some work.nt pnwmom Feb 2014 #59

Are you throwing your hat in the ring? ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #63

Back at you. nt pnwmom Feb 2014 #65

I'm not a female. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #67

Actually, it's precisely ON POINT.. 2banon Feb 2014 #139

No, the OP has nothing to do with Hillary per se. It has to do with the context pnwmom Feb 2014 #144

I voted for women candidates for president in '08 and 2012. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #53

Do you appreciate T & A photos in G.D.? pnwmom Feb 2014 #60

No. Do you? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #73

If you'd read my OP, you'd have the answer to your question. pnwmom Feb 2014 #76

I find the second paragraph irrelevant to the first. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #97

Well, it isn't. The first sentence is the key context to the second. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #114

Then I find your reasoning irrelevant or, at least, nonsensical. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #116

You're getting closer. pnwmom Feb 2014 #117

"Power tends to corrupt, absolute power corrupts absolutely." Lord Acton Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #118

Well, women don't have equal power, much less absolute power. nt pnwmom Feb 2014 #119

Perhaps the real problem is that too few people have too much power. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #120

I agree. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #121

exactly..it's really a CLass Issue 2banon Feb 2014 #134

Last I looked... deathrind Feb 2014 #74

That's a legitimate point. Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #82

Trash Thread Feral Child Feb 2014 #86

All gender being equal, they have all been quite wealthy--and only grown more so through the office. Romulox Feb 2014 #89

Damned men. Blue_Adept Feb 2014 #92

Did you think it was wrong when African Americans thought it was important pnwmom Feb 2014 #194

Gandhi, MLK Jr., & the Dalai Lama, too Orrex Feb 2014 #96

what is mildly interesting Crepuscular Feb 2014 #102

What's your point? bluestateguy Feb 2014 #108

The first paragraph provides the context for the second. It should be too hard to understand. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #115

It's not really their collective place... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #112

They also have all been heterosexuals. Kurska Feb 2014 #126

Not true. James Buchanan was our first gay President. pnwmom Feb 2014 #148

As a woman, I very much appreciate the point, But Gender alone isn't the issue for me anymore. 2banon Feb 2014 #131

This isn't about who we should pick for President. It's about why T & A photos are offensive pnwmom Feb 2014 #145

It was tied together 2banon Feb 2014 #146

The fact is that we live in a country that has never elected a woman President and in many ways pnwmom Feb 2014 #147

Then "The purpose of the OP" as you put it... cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #157

I understand and agree on those points.. 2banon Feb 2014 #159

Abraham Lincoln, as another poster reminded us, was born in a log cabin. pnwmom Feb 2014 #149

More for the trash can. HappyMe Feb 2014 #156

DU apparently doesn't have a "trash" feature deutsey Feb 2014 #158

I genuinely look forward to the first woman president. CBGLuthier Feb 2014 #192

Of course she, whoever she is, will be as flawed as anyone else. But she will also pnwmom Feb 2014 #193