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172. Suicide is de facto

Reply to ManiacJoe (Reply #171)

Mon Feb 24, 2014, 04:55 PM

Feb 2014

legal anywhere. Who would be prosecuted after a successful suicide attempt? Assisted suicide is a different matter.

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Since 1968, More Americans Have Died From Gunfire Than All U.S. Wars Combined [View all] kpete Feb 2014 OP

Freedumb! Scuba Feb 2014 #1

Of course you must include suicides Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #2

How many of those deaths attributed to war were Suicides? madokie Feb 2014 #4

None? JJChambers Feb 2014 #7

Very few I assume Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #8

True, guns significantly increase suicide rates, as study after study has found. DanTex Feb 2014 #24

Second Amendment absolutists do not billh58 Feb 2014 #88

Do you think Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #91

You mean they aren't? n/t billh58 Feb 2014 #92

If they are legal like you say Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #97

Isn't that what I said? billh58 Feb 2014 #101

I cannot speak for the "Second Amendment absolutists", ManiacJoe Feb 2014 #167

So steps like billh58 Feb 2014 #169

Thanks for proving my point. ManiacJoe Feb 2014 #171

Suicide is de facto billh58 Feb 2014 #172

True. ManiacJoe Feb 2014 #173

Include that part, the point remains. morningfog Feb 2014 #42

K&R. Access to guns increases suicides. Coyotl Feb 2014 #3

not really Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #5

Yes, really. DanTex Feb 2014 #103

from the WHO Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #106

Point me to the part where the WHO denies that gun access increases suicide rates. DanTex Feb 2014 #112

We need more wars! malthaussen Feb 2014 #6

I wonder why Mr. Shields neglected Go Vols Feb 2014 #9

It is always forgotten sarisataka Feb 2014 #11

Well 1968 was the year when modern gun control was created... aikoaiko Feb 2014 #10

so you think if there had been even less regulation the numbers would be lower? Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #15

Is that what you think I said? aikoaiko Feb 2014 #18

so what exactly was your point? Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #21

My point was to note when modern gun control was created. aikoaiko Feb 2014 #23

So you were just blurting out random facts? Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #30

He's saying gun control kills Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #32

That's absurd. I would never say nor think such a thing. aikoaiko Feb 2014 #75

Well he didn't explicitly say that. He's being coy and refusing to 'fess up to what his point Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #116

Do you think it is a random fact? aikoaiko Feb 2014 #34

When were Tommy guns outlawed? Oh yeah. You're wrong. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #53

Most of what we argue about today is 1968 GCA related or things that came over that law. aikoaiko Feb 2014 #83

Not at all. Just correcting your factual inaccuracies Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #93

"Tommy guns" have never been outlawed. aikoaiko Feb 2014 #117

Tommy Guns weren't outlawed. In the thoroughly modern 30s. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #122

"Tommy Guns" were never "outlawed". oneshooter Feb 2014 #124

Why is it relevant to gun deaths? Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #115

And let's not forget that 1968 was the year that 2001, A Space Odyssey came out... DanTex Feb 2014 #41

Here's Shields himself. 1968 was in reference to RFK assassination Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #64

Yes, I never claimed that Shield's noticed that modern gun control started in 1968. aikoaiko Feb 2014 #79

Just pointing out ACTUAL words spoken. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #82

Ok. aikoaiko Feb 2014 #85

I could have sworn it was to disarm blacks due to the Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #133

No. That would be most gun laws in southern states prior to 1930's Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #134

You better check your 1968 history. That's established Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #137

Did you know that 443,000 people die a year directly or indirectly from cigarettes? Rex Feb 2014 #12

Cigarettes should be far more restricted than they are Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #22

"Death merchants". +1 Hekate Feb 2014 #87

Um-um-um! More prohibition. Think of the black market potential... Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #125

I specifically did not include prohibition Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #132

Do you know that MILLIONS will die this year in the United States PERIOD! yeoman6987 Feb 2014 #119

That's 2.5 million deaths resulting from a human pulling a trigger. Wow. flvegan Feb 2014 #13

I'm sure some war dead died by other means Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #20

gungeoneers will be begging gd hosts to supress this op. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #14

Yes they will. But suppressing the truth is a Republican value Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #17

"Just you wait". the motto of gun grabbers for 20 years. hack89 Feb 2014 #25

Golden age of gun rights killing people at higher rates Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #29

Keep believing that if you wish hack89 Feb 2014 #35

10% of your posts in RKBA gungeon?! Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #37

Why do grabbers always think of someone's genitalia when guns are mentioned? hack89 Feb 2014 #44

Because the macho language and attitude of gun lovers like yourself Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #48

Talking to you is very reassuring. Nt hack89 Feb 2014 #62

A couple ideas to consider in promoting gun control sarisataka Feb 2014 #86

it is not the gun control folks obssessed with the guns = genitals metaphor TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #54

I never see any Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #94

Aparently he is a"one shot wonder". oneshooter Feb 2014 #126

are you guys really too slow to use google? TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #163

Nope, I just figured that you were typical of the gun banners here. oneshooter Feb 2014 #164

No - most Americans can separate suicides from crime hack89 Feb 2014 #26

Death from guns is death from guns Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #31

So what is your solution? Nt hack89 Feb 2014 #46

You will get no answer from that one. n/t oneshooter Feb 2014 #127

Scientifically literate Americans are probably aware of the plethora of studies finding DanTex Feb 2014 #33

So does access to drug and alcohol hack89 Feb 2014 #39

Homicide is also a complex issue. As is war. I'm not sure what your point is. DanTex Feb 2014 #43

What specific laws short of a ban will reduce gun suicides hack89 Feb 2014 #45

This thread is about the overall death toll. And I can see why you want to change the subject. DanTex Feb 2014 #47

Their suicide rate is nearly identical to ours so perhaps not hack89 Feb 2014 #57

I doubt that you're actually interested in the scientific research. DanTex Feb 2014 #60

So what specific laws do you want? hack89 Feb 2014 #63

I guess you missed my other posts. DanTex Feb 2014 #66

We can deal with it. I just have a different solution. hack89 Feb 2014 #69

Gun deaths are a gun issue. Shall we address the actual problem rather than change the subject? DanTex Feb 2014 #70

Suicide is a mental health issue hack89 Feb 2014 #72

Gun deaths are a multi-faceted problem. DanTex Feb 2014 #76

Ok hack89 Feb 2014 #77

Suicides are 2/3 the death toll. This corrupts the intent of the OP: Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #129

No it doesn't. DanTex Feb 2014 #130

I get it that liberals are at their worst when denying rights. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #141

Haha, yes, science is a joke. I get it! So funny! DanTex Feb 2014 #143

Actually, the song is a joke. Perhaps it resonates with those Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #144

Nothing quite as conservative as being proud of one's own ignorance.... DanTex Feb 2014 #145

You speak very intimately of the phenomenon. nt Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #155

Yup. I used to post a lot in the gungeon, so I know more about pro-gun ignorance it than I'd like. DanTex Feb 2014 #157

UK's gun laws would also work.... DanTex Feb 2014 #50

Their sucide rate is identical to ours. Nt hack89 Feb 2014 #59

Yes, and ours would be significantly lower than theirs if we adopted their gun laws. DanTex Feb 2014 #61

Time for serious mental health reform in America hack89 Feb 2014 #67

Time for serious gun control. Not as much fun as changing the subject, I know. DanTex Feb 2014 #68

Simplistic outlooks creates simplistic solutions hack89 Feb 2014 #71

Simplistic, as in "guns don't kill people" and "suicides don't count". DanTex Feb 2014 #73

Ok. Nice talking to you. Nt hack89 Feb 2014 #74

Always a good time! DanTex Feb 2014 #78

As in this article from billh58 Feb 2014 #107

Or Australia's... DanTex Feb 2014 #51

Or, say Germany's... (see what I'm getting at) DanTex Feb 2014 #52

Actually many of the people who alert gun posts Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #49

In my experience sarisataka Feb 2014 #28

It's hard to deny that pro-gunners are the most vocal about wanting to keep DanTex Feb 2014 #36

^^^^RECOMMEND^^^^ Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #38

As I said it is my experience sarisataka Feb 2014 #55

I don't know about that specific OP of yours. DanTex Feb 2014 #89

I understand and agree sarisataka Feb 2014 #111

I understand and that Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #102

My conversation with a pro-gun control host sarisataka Feb 2014 #113

some of us just would like Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #58

IMO the hard-core pro-gunners should be pretty happy that DU hosts a sub-forum for them DanTex Feb 2014 #81

like the keep Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #90

Obama believes in the Assault Weapons Ban and universal background checks. DanTex Feb 2014 #98

and you will find Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #104

Uh oh, gun porn. LAGC Feb 2014 #105

I know Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #108

"Most gun owners" and "most gungeon posters" are very different groups. DanTex Feb 2014 #114

Just like Bansalot posters think they represent the public mood regarding gun control? hack89 Feb 2014 #120

Wrong. Gungeoneers are fringe right-wingers, for the most part. DanTex Feb 2014 #121

You think the majority of DU thinks the RKBA is an individual right? hack89 Feb 2014 #123

Actually, you are well to the right of Obama and the Dem platform on guns, DanTex Feb 2014 #131

95% of Americans support UBCs hack89 Feb 2014 #135

It is you who is ignorant of the constitution. DanTex Feb 2014 #138

I favor UBCs - my state has had them for years hack89 Feb 2014 #140

You are opposed to them at the federal level. DanTex Feb 2014 #142

If it was legal, I would support them at the Federal level hack89 Feb 2014 #147

In other words, you oppose them at the federal level. DanTex Feb 2014 #148

No - I have no problem with Congress passing such a law hack89 Feb 2014 #149

LOL. Gotta love the gratuitous personal attack. DanTex Feb 2014 #150

So calling me a republican is not insulting? hack89 Feb 2014 #151

Is there anything you disagree with the GOP about on gun policy? DanTex Feb 2014 #152

I support all proposed gun control laws with two exceptions hack89 Feb 2014 #154

Oddly non-vocal in your support. DanTex Feb 2014 #156

When you start challenging Hoyt and all the other grabbers like him hack89 Feb 2014 #158

The difference: I'm not trying to pretend to be pro-gun. DanTex Feb 2014 #159

Oh well. hack89 Feb 2014 #160

OK. Have a good evening. DanTex Feb 2014 #161

you have a lot Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #162

Not me. Let's drop the SOP. We're here Right Now. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #128

It's just bullshit talking. Not a single alert has been submitted. NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #166

Fascinating. Suicides and accidents should be counted Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #16

! KG Feb 2014 #19

What a sick, twisted country this is. Arugula Latte Feb 2014 #27

Is that the Deep State plan? moondust Feb 2014 #40

NRA President quote ... napkinz Feb 2014 #56

Good find Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #80

So it is obvious we need more guns "the only thing that stops a bad guy with doc03 Feb 2014 #65

And to think there are countries I won't visit due to the level of terrorism. Hekate Feb 2014 #84

Yeah, but law-abiding gun owners/toters -- like Zimmerman -- shouldn't be penalized for criminal Hoyt Feb 2014 #95

He's missing a war or two wercal Feb 2014 #96

well facts do not Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #109

That is an interesting comparison. deathrind Feb 2014 #99

Not really surprising since military make up such a small percentage of the populace at large... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #100

Ho. Lee. Fuck. Loaded Liberal Dem Feb 2014 #110

even with this evidence there's still those that want to deny us ileus Feb 2014 #118

Really. Though the economy stinks, the RW holds sway, Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #146

If you want a mind boggling statistic, indie9197 Feb 2014 #136

But you fail to realize--over 4 million lives were saved because guns Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #139

Thats an amazing statistic! Ticktock Feb 2014 #153

Tell Sked14 hello billh58 Feb 2014 #165

LOLOL Skittles Feb 2014 #168

Repeat pizza recipients billh58 Feb 2014 #170

it's hilarious how clever they think they are Skittles Feb 2014 #174