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newthinking

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24. No, that is absolutely not true. We move as the wind blows but

Mon Feb 24, 2014, 10:59 PM

Feb 2014

in general the US prefers to support Western Ukraine.

I would not say neo-nazi's are taking over Ukraine, but they are being given a seat at the table. And the groups that have taken over are heavily right wing.

I support Ukraine to join the EU. They will hopefully eventually have a better life that way. But I am not for a minute fooled by the west press version of what has happened. Putin is wrong about a lot of things, but he is right that we have essentially overlooked what was a coup by a collation that does not represent the majority in the country. And this will not be a smooth transition for that reason. By breaking the agreement and taking control undemocratically, they placed a huge burden on their future. It will follow the next government and make re-unification very difficult.

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For fuck's sake, DU. Neo-Nazis have *not* seized power in Ukraine. [View all] Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 OP

bump. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #1

It's obvious that there is a pot stirring agenda amongst those making these spurious claims. MADem Feb 2014 #78

Some DUers seem to be against the Ukrainian Revolution out of Soviet nostalgia Ex Lurker Feb 2014 #93

I certainly hope this is not the case. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #109

Hugo Chavez is dead, so the MicaelS Feb 2014 #115

"Blame America First, Last and Always types", eh? rdharma Feb 2014 #118

such clarity of thought when confronted with knee-jerk hatred of all that is U.S. interest Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #121

I think that expression "Blame America First Crowd" was coined by the RW. rdharma Feb 2014 #123

that's possible. but they didn't copyright it...and it is an apt description for some Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #124

No copyright needed...... rdharma Feb 2014 #125

clearly not because I've never been RW. Have always been registered DEM Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #126

Maybe you've just been listening to too much RW talk radio ...... rdharma Feb 2014 #127

I abhor right wing talk radio. never listen to it. the most I've heard is on links here at DU Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #128

You abhor right wing talk radio? rdharma Feb 2014 #129

Oh come on davidpdx Feb 2014 #96

Very interesting events going on GP6971 Feb 2014 #2

Lots of info out there about the neo-Nazi connection to the turmoil in Ukraine. kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #67

Agreed. Too many are falling for the pro-Russia propaganda out there. It's disgraceful. I can't okaawhatever Feb 2014 #3

No, that is absolutely not true. We move as the wind blows but newthinking Feb 2014 #24

LOL! tabasco Feb 2014 #51

Anything McCain supports abroad is likely to enrich his MIC buddies. Like he did in Syria. freshwest Feb 2014 #34

He's a doddering old man, just 1 of 100 US Senators and a failed presidential candidate. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #37

It still troubles me that he goes about the world making deals. He has no right to do so. n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #43

He's a doddering old weathervane. If he's for it, its probably neocon-backed. n/t arendt Feb 2014 #46

A man well over 70 giving us Palin helped put Obama over the top in 2008. merrily Feb 2014 #101

You must be one dem dar corporatist puppets... or something... Adrahil Feb 2014 #4

I was under the impression Drale Feb 2014 #5

Yes, but apparently, only super fascists want to get closer to Europe... or something. NT Adrahil Feb 2014 #8

Some people don't want to sign up to be Greece 2... arendt Feb 2014 #44

I didn't ask you to cheer either way.... Adrahil Feb 2014 #107

Is saying that the Ukraine might fall into the hands of Right Wing Extremists OK? bvar22 Feb 2014 #119

Thank you for more detail than I would have bothered with. n/t arendt Feb 2014 #136

Neo-nazis love the EU, didn't you know? nt EmilyAnne Feb 2014 #75

Thread WINNER! nt MADem Feb 2014 #79

Let me educate a little GRACIEBIRD Feb 2014 #6

Yeah. I have a Ukrainian born mother and multiple cousins currently living in Ukraine. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #11

and I've lived in Russia, spent time in Kjiv... so? GRACIEBIRD Feb 2014 #12

So don't talk down to me like I don't know shit. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #13

can we at least agree GRACIEBIRD Feb 2014 #14

No, the muscle in the movement was a large swath of the Ukranian people. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #15

by muscle I meant who was carrying the GUNS and throwing the bombs and taking police prisoner. nt GRACIEBIRD Feb 2014 #18

also this article has some great background GRACIEBIRD Feb 2014 #19

And so this might be of interest... 2naSalit Feb 2014 #28

There's some background to that: El_Johns Feb 2014 #40

Thanks for that. 2naSalit Feb 2014 #74

Interesting article here from Asia times Online go west young man Feb 2014 #56

Also South Stream (oil pipeline) bypassing Ukraine go west young man Feb 2014 #59

Wait, Weird Al is involved too??? XRubicon Feb 2014 #95

I barely understand politics in *this* country after paying attention for a long, long time Fumesucker Feb 2014 #7

I think some people here are so anti American Government... brooklynite Feb 2014 #9

Absolutely and it's really showing in this instance. The pro-Russian papers are behind the okaawhatever Feb 2014 #21

Its like the CIA never existed. Never sponsored any coups... arendt Feb 2014 #36

Right. Eisenhower...Nixon...Reagan...Obama. You can hardly tell them apart..... brooklynite Feb 2014 #72

Gee, Obama has had 2 GOP Secs of Defense... arendt Feb 2014 #135

Infowars truthers. Just sayin' n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #39

Correct. joshcryer Feb 2014 #82

You are absolutely right. I've lived around the world but this is the only place I've ever seen Number23 Feb 2014 #133

Thanks Tommy_Carcetti. bravenak Feb 2014 #10

Concise and informative for me. Thanks! /nt Ash_F Feb 2014 #16

Kick. Chorophyll Feb 2014 #17

I hadn't heard H2O Man Feb 2014 #20

kick. because most of DU wants to ignore this Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #22

Agreed! BlueEye Feb 2014 #33

Great. So we should ignore one entire side of the story. How rational. How free. arendt Feb 2014 #42

Kicking your kick Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #61

a voice of reason is always appreciated. Adam051188 Feb 2014 #23

Actually there is a pretty heavy population in Ukraine unfortunately newthinking Feb 2014 #26

Nazi is also a short for Nationalist Socialist, but most of today's neo-nazis aren't Socialists at.. Amonester Feb 2014 #30

Nor were they at the time Scootaloo Feb 2014 #54

Some really are neo-Nazis Nevernose Feb 2014 #32

This shit is being peddled by right-wing idiots Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #25

That is very confusing. arendt Feb 2014 #47

Sorry about that.... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #111

Wow. I was unaware it was Fox saying that! arendt Feb 2014 #137

That is very confusing. arendt Feb 2014 #47

Yanukovych ordered the army to move against their own people. 88 died. He's a butcher. Zen Democrat Feb 2014 #27

Ah, but those were CIA plants...or dupes...or something. brooklynite Feb 2014 #73

Yes, yes, yes, yes davidpdx Feb 2014 #97

from the guardian..... madrchsod Feb 2014 #29

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! n/t malaise Feb 2014 #94

"members of the Tea Party constitute 11% of the House" delrem Feb 2014 #31

I can honestly say there is very little risk of a "right wing coup" orchestrated by the Tea Party. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #41

Yah, right. nt delrem Feb 2014 #45

8% mrchips Feb 2014 #35

36 of 450 is 12.5% go west young man Feb 2014 #64

36 out of 450 = mrchips Feb 2014 #66

Your right sorry about that. go west young man Feb 2014 #69

Lol Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #90

No Problem mrchips Feb 2014 #102

Here's what their goals are. I'm pretty sure most DU'ers go west young man Feb 2014 #68

The Right Sector did NOT lead this demonstration. Good grief. nt EmilyAnne Feb 2014 #77

It has 37 seats & is in alliance with 2 other center-right parties, forming an opposition majority. El_Johns Feb 2014 #84

Agreed, Tommy... TRoN33 Feb 2014 #38

k & r. thank you rollin74 Feb 2014 #50

Riiiight! No neo-Nazis in Ukraine! rdharma Feb 2014 #52

Okay, you understand the difference between existing and holding power, correct? Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #53

But they gots a logo 'n shit. Throd Feb 2014 #55

... LAGC Feb 2014 #116

Just like the "Brown Shirts" (SA) didn't govern Nazi Germany, eh? rdharma Feb 2014 #58

But those are the peaceful protestors who peacefully toppled the regime with petrol bombs! JVS Feb 2014 #65

Petrol bombs are harmless! rdharma Feb 2014 #71

Thank you for posting a picture of the new President and Prime Minister. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #105

The opposition parties sure don't mind forming opportunistic alliances with fascists. rdharma Feb 2014 #117

You'd have to be ignoring most major newspapers, BBC America, Al Jazeera and the threads here... MrMickeysMom Feb 2014 #57

A little misleading. It's over 10% and: El_Johns Feb 2014 #60

Not sure about this. Ukrainian synagogue firebombed LittleBlue Feb 2014 #62

I'm sure they are safe! rdharma Feb 2014 #63

When shit like this is going on, it is NEVER a good idea for Jews to hang around! Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #76

Thank you. nt EmilyAnne Feb 2014 #70

I've just avoided that insipid echo chamber. joshcryer Feb 2014 #80

What I find interesting.... Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #81

I think both sides suck there, mind you. joshcryer Feb 2014 #83

I don't know enough, but from what I have seen, it is very fucked up. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #88

What I find interesting is why gay posters would support an opposition that is also anti-gay. El_Johns Feb 2014 #85

Show me where I have expressed support for either side? Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #87

I actually thought you had, but what I mostly find is you posting articles like the ones I did. El_Johns Feb 2014 #89

Your reaction was one based in prejudice, not in an individual commuication with Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #108

Think what you like, but it's not the case. El_Johns Feb 2014 #112

I think you can support a tendency without being inconsistent. joshcryer Feb 2014 #92

Anti-gay applies to the Party of Regions that was just chucked out, too muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #100

I wouldn't say some of them davidpdx Feb 2014 #98

Tymschenko & her man Turchinov, as well as Klitschko, are all from parties in coalition with Svoboda El_Johns Feb 2014 #86

Ones that want a majority Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #91

I don't think you really understand parliamentary politics. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #106

Don't actually matter who has ceased power. dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #122

K & R davidpdx Feb 2014 #99

You're right in your title assertion and then whee off the rails cali Feb 2014 #103

The comparision was merely one of relative size. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #104

Putin fans are bit upset that he lost the Ukraine. But he's got Comrade Eddie as a consolation msanthrope Feb 2014 #110

Bump. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #113

Awesome advice for everything: "But read--just fucking read--before you post shit on here." FSogol Feb 2014 #114

kick Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #120

Kick Gothmog Feb 2014 #130

K&R... tosh Feb 2014 #131

Bump. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #132

Again this needs a bump. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #134